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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 17:05:09 GMT -6
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Post by aceback76 on Aug 2, 2017 17:24:25 GMT -6
One of the finest coaches, AND gentlemen, the game ever produced!!!
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Post by gccwolverine on Aug 4, 2017 9:53:56 GMT -6
Didn't know this was possible..... I though ever ex football player died a miserable death a 52 years old or sooner either drooling on themselves or worse blowing their heads off with a double barrel shotgun because....... football.
Must be fake news.
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 4, 2017 10:35:17 GMT -6
Didn't know this was possible..... I though ever ex football player died a miserable death a 52 years old or sooner either drooling on themselves or worse blowing their heads off with a double barrel shotgun because....... football. Must be fake news. While I understand you are trying to be humorous here, not every smoker gets lung cancer. Are you encouraging your sons and daughters to light up? Point being, the "nothing to see here, you people are ridiculous" lines didn't work for the tobacco industry, why are football coaches trying it?
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Post by gccwolverine on Aug 4, 2017 12:21:57 GMT -6
Didn't know this was possible..... I though ever ex football player died a miserable death a 52 years old or sooner either drooling on themselves or worse blowing their heads off with a double barrel shotgun because....... football. Must be fake news. While I understand you are trying to be humorous here, not every smoker gets lung cancer. Are you encouraging your sons and daughters to light up? Point being, the "nothing to see here, you people are ridiculous" lines didn't work for the tobacco industry, why are football coaches trying it? No but I will put them behind the wheel of a car the minute they turn 15 and a half where god only knows there is a chance any number of absolutely awful things could potentially happen to them. Did I say there was nothing to see here? Where did I say that? I cannot find that phrase or those words anywhere. Maybe you have some reading skills that I don't know about but I can't find it anywhere. Lets try this instead of you reading inference into my words that I didn't put there. CTE is real. Football is dangerous. Life is too. Head injuries are going to happen but they can be reduced through best practices such as reducing contact throughout the week, teaching proper fundamentals, using good medical judgement for recovery when an injury does occur, penalizing head to head contact, and enforcing the rules on the books. What isn't real is this perpetuated idea that 99% of ex-football players are walking around drooling on themselves from beating their brains silly over the years. There are literally hundreds of thousands of ex players walking around today as fully functioning human beings many of whom are actually better off for having played the game. What's too be done beyond the things which I listed? We keep beating a dead horse and eventually the dead horse is going to result in a fundamental change to the game or more, and some of us seem not only willing to let that occur, but actually seem to be encouraging the hysteria or at the very least just passively not getting the way of it. And the end game result of all this is going to be something like taking the kickoff out of the game because, and I've even heard football coaches say this of all things, "It's the most dangerous play in football." Well yea it is. But guess what the minute you take kickoff out of the game, punt becomes the most dangerous play in football, then a post over the middle into a single high safety becomes the most dangerous play in football, then ISO becomes the most dangerous play in football. Then block down kick out power or trap becomes the most dangerous play in football. FOOTBALL IS DANGEROUS. We can mitigate it to the best of our ability through smart intentional coaching but that's it. Accept the risks know the rewards and lets {censored} move on with our lives and stop seemingly fighting the media and attackers battles for them.
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Post by Chris Clement on Aug 4, 2017 14:27:45 GMT -6
That's weak even by the standards of straw men.
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Post by fantom on Aug 5, 2017 4:39:24 GMT -6
Didn't know this was possible..... I though ever ex football player died a miserable death a 52 years old or sooner either drooling on themselves or worse blowing their heads off with a double barrel shotgun because....... football. Must be fake news. While I understand you are trying to be humorous here, not every smoker gets lung cancer. Are you encouraging your sons and daughters to light up? Point being, the "nothing to see here, you people are ridiculous" lines didn't work for the tobacco industry, why are football coaches trying it? But a very pretty high percentage of smokers do get lung cancer. What percentage of people who play football below the NFL level get major CTE? Nobody knows. For us older guys, anecdotally, based on ourselves and observations of our former teammates, probably not very many. Media stories make it sound like we should all be drooling wrecks now, though.
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Post by blb on Aug 5, 2017 5:29:38 GMT -6
After the Junior Seau suicide there was an article on Slate citing data that showed former NFL players had a longer life expectancy and lower suicide rate than the general population.
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Post by blb on Aug 5, 2017 5:32:21 GMT -6
But a very pretty high percentage of smokers do get lung cancer. What percentage of people who play football below the NFL level get major CTE? Nobody knows. For us older guys, anecdotally, based on ourselves and observations of our former teammates, probably not very many. Media stories make it sound like we should all be drooling wrecks now, though. ...especially considering BITD we were taught to block and tackle with our faces-heads and helmets weren't much more than plastic lamp shades.
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Post by center on Aug 5, 2017 7:07:53 GMT -6
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 5, 2017 7:48:19 GMT -6
While I understand you are trying to be humorous here, not every smoker gets lung cancer. Are you encouraging your sons and daughters to light up? Point being, the "nothing to see here, you people are ridiculous" lines didn't work for the tobacco industry, why are football coaches trying it? But a very pretty high percentage of smokers do get lung cancer. What percentage of people who play football below the NFL level get major CTE? Nobody knows. For us older guys, anecdotally, based on ourselves and observations of our former teammates, probably not very many. Media stories make it sound like we should all be drooling wrecks now, though. From what I have seen, between 3 out of 4 to 4 out of 5 DON'T get lung cancer. And Parseghian played pro ball until injury ended his career. My point was not to try to equivocate the risks, but rather the behavior of those involved. You are correct, many of the stories are quite sensationalized. My point was that as individuals with a vested interest in preserving the game (coaches), addressing concerns and worries with sarcasm by saying "HOw is it possible that a football guy lived to 94" is akin to how the tobacco industry went about business. Lets face it, the reason smoking is still "a thing" is mostly due to its addictive qualities. Football, as we all know is not addictive to most, so coaches should probably proceed in a different manner. That is all. center is correct. I should not have replied to @gccwolcerine 's post with sarcasm. It served no purpose.
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Post by 19delta on Aug 5, 2017 8:45:56 GMT -6
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Post by groundchuck on Aug 5, 2017 9:13:17 GMT -6
Yeah this was supposed to be a thread about a great man and great coach. Nothing to do with CTE.
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Post by fantom on Aug 5, 2017 12:06:14 GMT -6
But a very pretty high percentage of smokers do get lung cancer. What percentage of people who play football below the NFL level get major CTE? Nobody knows. For us older guys, anecdotally, based on ourselves and observations of our former teammates, probably not very many. Media stories make it sound like we should all be drooling wrecks now, though. From what I have seen, between 3 out of 4 to 4 out of 5 DON'T get lung cancer. And Parseghian played pro ball until injury ended his career. My point was not to try to equivocate the risks, but rather the behavior of those involved. You are correct, many of the stories are quite sensationalized. My point was that as individuals with a vested interest in preserving the game (coaches), addressing concerns and worries with sarcasm by saying "HOw is it possible that a football guy lived to 94" is akin to how the tobacco industry went about business. Lets face it, the reason smoking is still "a thing" is mostly due to its addictive qualities. Football, as we all know is not addictive to most, so coaches should probably proceed in a different manner. That is all. center is correct. I should not have replied to @gccwolcerine 's post with sarcasm. It served no purpose. That's right. Same here.
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Post by aceback76 on Aug 8, 2017 11:18:54 GMT -6
By Ara Parseghian, Head Coach, University of Notre Dame
My topic is Notre Dame Football in 1973, and I will discuss some of the trends and some of the things that we did during the past Fall. The changes we made were initiated as a result of what had happened the previous year. I have lectured at a number of other clinics and on many occasions have expressed the philosophy that we believe in. This card contains the four basics that we have in coaching that we believe in. They are very simple, very understandable, and what percentage you assign each one of course varies.
Ara Parseghian’s Four Basics In Coaching
1. PERSONNEL – (Who) You Teach Physical Abilities
A. This is a fixed factor.
B. Recognize their abilities.
C. Place them properly – personnel alignment.
D. Techniques to improve.
2. COACHING – (How) You Teach
A. The art of inspiring learning.
B. Transfer of information.
C. Imparting of knowledge.
3. STRATEGY – (What) You Teach Based on Your Squad’s Physical Abilities and Your Philosophy of the Game
A. Offense.
B. Defense.
C. Kicking Game.
4. MORALE – This Is the Basic Factor That Controls (Who) (How) (What)
“DON’TS”
1. Rate potential over performance.
2. Develop personality conflicts – distorts and clouds evaluation.
3. Be awed by size – or speed.
4. Allow one mistake to influence your judgment.
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Post by spreadattack on Aug 8, 2017 13:56:21 GMT -6
I used to have a book by Parseghian that went into his tactics and strategy and now I can't recall the title. If I recall it was big on a "systematic" approach to playcalling -- I think Ara's offense had roots in the Wing-T -- but I wish I could find the book. I remember reading it but not studying it in detail, and based on Google searches I can only find more biography type books but maybe someone on here knows (and maybe it's tucked into one of those books). See below for a Sports Illustrated article from 1962 on some of his success at Northwestern. www.si.com/vault/1962/11/05/670217/ara-parseghians-gambleI know Coach Parseghian was always very well respected for his mind, as well as being just an excellent person. For those that don't know, Coach Parseghian was very active in awareness/raising money for multiple sclerosis, which his daughter was diagnosed with and three of his grandchildren died from.
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Post by blb on Aug 8, 2017 14:39:30 GMT -6
I used to have a book by Parseghian that went into his tactics and strategy and now I can't recall the title. If I recall it was big on a "systematic" approach to playcalling -- I think Ara's offense had roots in the Wing-T -- but I wish I could find the book. I remember reading it but not studying it in detail, and based on Google searches I can only find more biography type books but maybe someone on here knows (and maybe it's tucked into one of those books). See below for a Sports Illustrated article from 1962 on some of his success at Northwestern. www.si.com/vault/1962/11/05/670217/ara-parseghians-gambleI know Coach Parseghian was always very well respected for his mind, as well as being just an excellent person. For those that don't know, Coach Parseghian was very active in awareness/raising money for multiple sclerosis, which his daughter was diagnosed with and three of his grandchildren died from.
The book was titled PARSEGHIAN AND NOTRE DAME FOOTBALL.
Still have my copy.
Also - his three grandchildren died from Niemann-Pick disease, not MS (his daughter Karen did).
He spent his last 40-plus years raising money to fight both diseases.
Great man, great coach.
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Post by spreadattack on Aug 8, 2017 17:03:52 GMT -6
blb - thanks for the corrections/clarifications.
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Post by gccwolverine on Aug 9, 2017 7:18:01 GMT -6
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Post by Chris Clement on Aug 9, 2017 7:28:01 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure there was no claim in that article that "99% of ex-football players are walking around drooling on themselves from beating their brains silly over the years."
There are lots of issues with the current research and evidence and there's definitely some moral panic going on but the more insidious "threat to the game" comes from within. Denialism and a thread of anti-intellectualism do not make a good long-term plan.
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Post by spreadattack on Aug 11, 2017 14:58:24 GMT -6
Why is any of this stuff in a thread about Ara Parseghian?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2017 15:09:51 GMT -6
I used to have a book by Parseghian that went into his tactics and strategy and now I can't recall the title. If I recall it was big on a "systematic" approach to playcalling -- I think Ara's offense had roots in the Wing-T -- but I wish I could find the book. I remember reading it but not studying it in detail, and based on Google searches I can only find more biography type books but maybe someone on here knows (and maybe it's tucked into one of those books). See below for a Sports Illustrated article from 1962 on some of his success at Northwestern. www.si.com/vault/1962/11/05/670217/ara-parseghians-gambleI know Coach Parseghian was always very well respected for his mind, as well as being just an excellent person. For those that don't know, Coach Parseghian was very active in awareness/raising money for multiple sclerosis, which his daughter was diagnosed with and three of his grandchildren died from. Didn't Parseghian run the Wing-T at Notre Dame? There's that apocryphal story that Tubby Raymond tells about Parseghian bringing him in to watch film together and improve their Wing-T. That was back in the old days where it was literally film on a projector. Parseghian looked at him and asked "So, Tubby, what do you think? Tubby: "Well, you're doing a decent job of running it, but your QB doesn't know how what plays to call." Ara: "What are you talking about!??! I'm the one calling the plays!" Tubby tells that one with a smile. He was before my time, but I've only heard good things about Coach Parseghian. May he rest in peace.
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Post by blb on Aug 12, 2017 6:29:04 GMT -6
Didn't Parseghian run the Wing-T at Notre Dame?
Yes and no. Ara was renowned for tailoring his offense to the talents of his players. But he indeed did run Buck, Belly, and Inside Belly series, including Boot and Waggle passes.
He also ran Pro formations, Power-I, and Slot-I.
What he did more than most coaches of his time, especially in Midwest, was pass. At ND he had outstanding QBs such as John Huarte (Heisman winner), Terry Hanratty, Joe Theismann, and Tom Clements; receivers such as Jack Snow, Jim Seymour, Thom Gatewood, and Dave Casper.
About the only thing he didn't run much if any was Option.
What's behind this story is that until 1967 Coaching from the Sidelines was illegal, a penalty. Coaches could not call plays or defenses during games. They spent a great deal of time with their offensive and defensive signal-callers during the week.
Some, like Ara, got around the rule by using signals to QB like a third-base coach.
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