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Post by Defcord on Jul 26, 2017 14:23:19 GMT -6
I know from a football stand point 7 on 7 has its fair share of issues and opponents.
As almost a different sport, though I think it's fun to coach and be involved with. Does anyone else enjoy it from that point?
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Post by rudyrude9 on Jul 26, 2017 14:29:57 GMT -6
Yes its fun. You just can't go into expecting a real football game. I like the competition doing something that is similar to football. I also like seeing other coaches get all pissy because its not football.
Pass Skelly sucks as an offensive drill too, but I still bet most of us use it.
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Post by aceback76 on Jul 26, 2017 14:44:57 GMT -6
I know from a football stand point 7 on 7 has its fair share of issues and opponents. As a most a different sport, though I think it's fun to coach and be involved with. Does anyone else enjoy it from that point? I think it is very useful, but that 4 second clock can teach bad habits. We set our clock at 3 seconds for 5 step timing passes, & 2 seconds for 3 step drop passes.
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Post by groundchuck on Jul 26, 2017 15:18:23 GMT -6
I really don't like it. Every year I took our team we did well enough that the groupie/helicopter dads who watched thought we should be throwing more. They'd come up and say after watching our best WR torch the other teams JV kid (starter had summer baseball) I was dumb for not using his son (the QB) and the the WR more.
Now I DO like it for D. We can see who can cover and just as importantly who can't.
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Post by Defcord on Jul 26, 2017 16:48:32 GMT -6
I really don't like it. Every year I took our team we did well enough that the groupie/helicopter dads who watched thought we should be throwing more. They'd come up and say after watching our best WR torch the other teams JV kid (starter had summer baseball) I was dumb for not using his son (the QB) and the the WR more. Now I DO like it for D. We can see who can cover and just as importantly who can't. Yeah bad parents are the mayonnaise of the real world. Once they get involved with something, count me out.
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Post by hsrose on Jul 26, 2017 17:20:50 GMT -6
We had 8 7v7 events this summer, only 1 was a competition type thing. The others were going against teams to run our stuff. Actually did play action passes. So from that aspect I like it.
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Post by fantom on Jul 26, 2017 17:39:59 GMT -6
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Post by dblwngr on Jul 26, 2017 17:43:09 GMT -6
I know from a football stand point 7 on 7 has its fair share of issues and opponents. As a most a different sport, though I think it's fun to coach and be involved with. Does anyone else enjoy it from that point? I think it is very useful, but that 4 second clock can teach bad habits. We set our clock at 3 seconds for 5 step timing passes, & 2 seconds for 3 step drop passes. Being a team that runs man, we tend to see the 6-8 second clock (#1 WR catching the shallow cross on the opposite sideline)! Not to mention we are a bear team that always sends 5 so we play a man short unless we run our 2 high man under package. Just have to keep telling our guys that there is not and has never been a state championship trophy handed out at 7 on 7.
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Post by mrjvi on Jul 26, 2017 18:48:48 GMT -6
I guess it could be helpful for our D. We never do 7 on 7 and won't while I'm at the school. If I could just get them strength training consistently, I'd be happy. They are all doing summer baseball and basketball anyway.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 26, 2017 19:27:14 GMT -6
I know from a football stand point 7 on 7 has its fair share of issues and opponents. As a most a different sport, though I think it's fun to coach and be involved with. Does anyone else enjoy it from that point? I think it is very useful, but that 4 second clock can teach bad habits. We set our clock at 3 seconds for 5 step timing passes, & 2 seconds for 3 step drop passes. Coach, are you talking about intra squad practices, or competitive events versus other schools?
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 26, 2017 19:35:23 GMT -6
We had 8 7v7 events this summer, only 1 was a competition type thing. The others were going against teams to run our stuff. Actually did play action passes. So from that aspect I like it. If you didn't do so this year, next year you might want to look to script down and distance situations into these. Really helps teams dial in the fact that they are working their stuff, and not the Double Smash with FB down the middle play
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Post by carookie on Jul 26, 2017 19:40:11 GMT -6
I'm good with 7 on 7 when all the other teams are legit (no coach whining to get the rules swayed, nobody running ridiculous stuff). There are enough quality staffs and programs out there that you can match up and get your work done.
Heck, I even like going to 1 big tourney a summer just so the kids can compete and see the experience. Not to mention its fun to see the shenanigans now and then.
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Post by aceback76 on Jul 26, 2017 19:42:50 GMT -6
I think it is very useful, but that 4 second clock can teach bad habits. We set our clock at 3 seconds for 5 step timing passes, & 2 seconds for 3 step drop passes. Coach, are you talking about intra squad practices, or competitive events versus other schools? Both! We will let the other team have 4 seconds if they want. We request the clock be set as follows: We set our clock at 3 seconds for 5 step timing passes, & 2 seconds for 3 step drop passes.
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Post by wingtol on Jul 26, 2017 19:48:42 GMT -6
I'll let the good reverend answer this for me...
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Post by RunThePistol on Jul 26, 2017 19:56:02 GMT -6
I used to view 7 on 7 as a waste of rime, but i was part of a a wing t sysytem. At my current school, we are Shotgun pro style/spread (60% pro, 40% spread), and we have a few guys every year to replace at the skill positions. I like it because it allows our athletes to see a higher quality athlete than we sill see during season. We're a 4a school, but we play 5a/6a schools, and a few top tier private schools during 7 on 7 season.
For us its all about competing at the highest level.
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Post by tippecanoe41 on Jul 26, 2017 20:19:06 GMT -6
I really don't like it. Every year I took our team we did well enough that the groupie/helicopter dads who watched thought we should be throwing more. They'd come up and say after watching our best WR torch the other teams JV kid (starter had summer baseball) I was dumb for not using his son (the QB) and the the WR more. Now I DO like it for D. We can see who can cover and just as importantly who can't. Yah, once had a school board member who had a friend who's son was QB if I remember the relationship correctly. Anyway, we had actually done the math on how bad it was for us when we dropped back to pass. He was the best we had, but not good. Many issues I could get into. We had a good run game, so we didn't feel the need to force the pass. Having a pretty good season, but this kid kept complaining that we didn't pass on 3rd and 5 because it was mathematically better for us to try a base run play every time. Anyway, the guy showed up at one of our practices. First time I remember seeing a school board member show up for any reason other than just to say, "hey coach, doing a good job, keep it up, etc." Anyway, within a couple days he found a way to meet up with our HC to have a conversation. Tried to be nonchalant about it. But, eventually, it came down to him saying it was weird that we passed so much during the summer 7 on 7 league but we don't pass much in regular season. Our coach had to inform him that we aren't allowed to run the ball in 7 on 7, along with the math we had worked out on our pass game. I think there are benefits, but everyone, including fans on the outside and even us as coaches needs to understand that it is not at all like a normal pass play in a game, at least to me. Even the 3 step quick game, where pass rush wouldn't be involved anyway, you still have to realize that the reactions of the secondary players are different than if there's 11 guys on the field. So in some aspects your pass game is better than you think it is after a 7 on 7 loss, but in other ways your pass game isn't near as good as you think it is after a 7 on 7 win.
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Post by dubber on Jul 26, 2017 20:21:23 GMT -6
I love it for defense.
My linebackers really get to see a lot of the pattern reading stuff I am trying to teach.
On offense......eh.......sometimes it's fun (when we are tall and athletic).......but this season we have two RB's that can't catch, a bunch of young guys at WR, and a good TE.
I find myself fantasizing about Inside Zone halfway through......
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Post by ahall005 on Jul 26, 2017 23:08:00 GMT -6
I like the way we do it. We do two every year one is with one other school and one is with five schools. We go ten plays o ten plays d 5 plays jv o 5 plays jv d then switch teams. My eyes glaze over if a coach starts telling me about their scoring system and how much a pic and break up is worth. Alsowe are a wing T team we are going to run waggle and belly pass all day... tons of reps and waggle always works.
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Post by The Lunch Pail on Jul 27, 2017 7:55:22 GMT -6
I'm not a fan of them. The only reason I even care remotely about them is because since I am an OL/DL coach, I can log onto Hudl and catch up with how well our skill guys are playing. And that's not really even to see how good they're playing, but more so as to where they're at from an athletic standpoint.
I LOVE summer joint practice/scrimmages. We had two last week, both against SBV teams in order to prep for our Week 1 opponent (also the one team preventing us from winning districts). They were physical, efficient, and gave us much more valuable evaluation film. I don't care if my Mike LB can defend a slant from #2. I care if he can smack the QB on Midline.
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Post by fantom on Jul 27, 2017 8:09:21 GMT -6
I love it for defense. My linebackers really get to see a lot of the pattern reading stuff I am trying to teach. On offense......eh.......sometimes it's fun (when we are tall and athletic).......but this season we have two RB's that can't catch, a bunch of young guys at WR, and a good TE. I find myself fantasizing about Inside Zone halfway through...... You've got me beat. Saturday we were at a tournament. The heat index was about 110 and we were on turf, which was great on my 63 year old, arthritic knees. Inside Zone was NOT one of my fantasies.
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Post by dubber on Jul 27, 2017 8:23:54 GMT -6
I love it for defense. My linebackers really get to see a lot of the pattern reading stuff I am trying to teach. On offense......eh.......sometimes it's fun (when we are tall and athletic).......but this season we have two RB's that can't catch, a bunch of young guys at WR, and a good TE. I find myself fantasizing about Inside Zone halfway through...... You've got me beat. Saturday we were at a tournament. The heat index was about 110 and we were on turf, which was great on my 63 year old, arthritic knees. Inside Zone was NOT one of my fantasies. I guess being half your age......I'm still dumb!
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Post by canesfan on Jul 27, 2017 8:40:06 GMT -6
7 on 7 is great work if you make it that way. We focus on what we do in our passing game and coverage wise.
If you're someone who is drawing stuff up to win, I'm not going to get bent out of shape. Also not going to get bent out of shape over refereeing calls or players being physical.
It's competition among other schools. Even if you get nothing from a strategy stand point, you're teaching your players to compete. Also it's a fun environment for your kids.
People that get bent out of shape one way or another annoy me much more than actual 7 on 7.
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Post by option1 on Jul 27, 2017 9:26:35 GMT -6
We have passing leagues around the county that are good. It's real work. No running routes where OL/DL would be ETC. Tournaments can be fun with the right mind set but are BS.
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Post by dblwngr on Jul 27, 2017 10:51:22 GMT -6
Just curious, are you guys using helmets during 7 on 7?
At the tournaments and camps they are required but the local get togethers of about 4 or 5 teams during the week have all been no helmets.
Saw a few super close calls that gave me a mini heart attack at the local stuff....
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Post by lws55 on Jul 27, 2017 11:31:02 GMT -6
Offensively I do not like them. We are a 70% run team so whenever we get stopped I think I would have run there. Defensively I like that our players can see other skills that are not our 2's and 3's that will only see garbage time during the season. We also tend to be much more athletic than other teams so I can smile and say that we would line up in Cover 1 and bring a heat and they don't complete those passes
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Post by dytmook on Jul 27, 2017 12:34:11 GMT -6
They are fun, but 1st and goal from the 2 and having to pass the ball is kind of silly.
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Post by dubber on Jul 27, 2017 15:15:13 GMT -6
They are fun, but 1st and goal from the 2 and having to pass the ball is kind of silly. That's where you run the ole RB hitch from depth........ #visorgrind
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Post by dblwngr on Jul 27, 2017 15:19:03 GMT -6
They are fun, but 1st and goal from the 2 and having to pass the ball is kind of silly. Says the guy with a Seahawk player as his profile pic Ironic?
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Post by jazagran on Jul 28, 2017 12:22:37 GMT -6
I am not sure how 7 on 7 is handled in other states, but in Texas there is definitely a correlation between spring 7 on 7 success and fall success. Not saying a 7 on 7 state champion is going to win the fall ring, but teams that qualify for the state tournament tend to win their district or make the playoffs in the fall. In recent years the teams that make it deep in the fall playoffs have done well in spring 7 on 7.
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Post by bluboy on Jul 28, 2017 13:51:14 GMT -6
7 on 7 PROS: See who can play in space Work on pass coverage
7 on 7 CONS: It's not real football No rush on QB Too many guys do things that they don't do in real football or can't do in real football Did I say it's not real football
I've seen a number of 7 on 7 champs not do well in real football. We participate in a few 7 on 7's, but view them as mini-camps where we can evaluate some kids. By this time each year, we are ready to dump 7 on 7 and get into the real thing.
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