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Post by 19delta on Jul 18, 2017 20:34:23 GMT -6
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 19, 2017 15:56:53 GMT -6
Makes me think of something discussed in a micro econ class long ago about pricing. The prof had said that he firmly believed automakers could make cars that routinely could be driven for more than 1/2 million miles. Just not for $25,000.
I wonder if they really are making some good engineering advances and the cost is reflected (research, materials, etc) or if companies are using the onslaught of head trauma new to make a buck
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Post by 19delta on Jul 19, 2017 19:51:16 GMT -6
Makes me think of something discussed in a micro econ class long ago about pricing. The prof had said that he firmly believed automakers could make cars that routinely could be driven for more than 1/2 million miles. Just not for $25,000. I wonder if they really are making some good engineering advances and the cost is reflected (research, materials, etc) or if companies are using the onslaught of head trauma new to make a buck Right. And the kind of people who COULD afford that vehicle that will last for 500,000 miles most likely would not be interested in buying it. There isn't going to be much innovation without the possibility of profit. Pretty much Capitalism 101. Eventually, prices may fall due to competition or cheaper manufacturing processes. But $700 is way too expensive. Perhaps if they can cut that in half, it would be more feasible. |
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Post by famar on Jul 19, 2017 22:17:33 GMT -6
Makes me think of something discussed in a micro econ class long ago about pricing. The prof had said that he firmly believed automakers could make cars that routinely could be driven for more than 1/2 million miles. Just not for $25,000. I wonder if they really are making some good engineering advances and the cost is reflected (research, materials, etc) or if companies are using the onslaught of head trauma new to make a buck In my opinion, it's probably a mixture of the two. |
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Post by 19delta on Jul 20, 2017 6:55:46 GMT -6
Makes me think of something discussed in a micro econ class long ago about pricing. The prof had said that he firmly believed automakers could make cars that routinely could be driven for more than 1/2 million miles. Just not for $25,000. I wonder if they really are making some good engineering advances and the cost is reflected (research, materials, etc) or if companies are using the onslaught of head trauma new to make a buck In my opinion, it's probably a mixture of the two. But I have to wonder, at $700 per helmet, how much profit is Schutt is going to make? At that unit price, the cost of developing and getting the helmet to market must have been pretty high. It would not surprise me if this is nothing more than a clever PSA disguised as a new product..."Look at how much we care about safety." |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 20, 2017 7:24:44 GMT -6
In my opinion, it's probably a mixture of the two. But I have to wonder, at $700 per helmet, how much profit is Schutt is going to make? At that unit price, the cost of developing and getting the helmet to market must have been pretty high. It would not surprise me if this is nothing more than a clever PSA disguised as a new product..."Look at how much we care about safety." Perhaps. Part of it could be reading the tea leaves too. If they don't create some possible solutions, one of their main revenue streams might disappear. |
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Post by Yash on Jul 20, 2017 20:09:40 GMT -6
I was offered this helmet for $550 plus a free air XP helmet.... what I don't get about these things if that if one helmet is so much "safer" than another how could you as a company sell something so much less "safe" than another product you sell.
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Post by silkyice on Jul 20, 2017 21:23:15 GMT -6
I was offered this helmet for $550 plus a free air XP helmet.... what I don't get about these things if that if one helmet is so much "safer" than another how could you as a company sell something so much less "safe" than another product you sell. $90,000 Landcruiser. $18,000 Corolla. |
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Post by silkyice on Jul 20, 2017 21:52:20 GMT -6
My one problem with the new helmet is this.
If I recall correctly, the guy they bought the idea from had 5 plates. 3 in the middle and 1 on each side. This one has 2 in the middle. But the 2, do look like they take up same area/space as the 3, so that could be an adjustment or improvement.
The problem I have is, if they know how to make the 5 or 4 plate one, but since they hold the patent on the technology, they are just going to make the 2 plate one until this one runs its course and they then introduce the 4 plate one. Still business and I get it, but if they can make a better one, then make it and charge more.
Willing to be wrong on this. But my guess is that in 2-4 years, you will see a very similar helmet with a plate on each side raising the total to 4.
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Post by Yash on Jul 20, 2017 21:59:43 GMT -6
I was offered this helmet for $550 plus a free air XP helmet.... what I don't get about these things if that if one helmet is so much "safer" than another how could you as a company sell something so much less "safe" than another product you sell. $90,000 Landcruiser. $18,000 Corolla. Apples to oranges comparison--- helmets have one function... protect players from head injuries. Cars are modes of transportation that are also used as status symbols hence different price range/ luxury cars/ motorcycles. What I'm saying is a company telling me I can buy this super safe helmet and they will throw in this not as safe helmet for free.... so what do I tell the kid I give the not as safe helmet to? He's not as important? |
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Post by silkyice on Jul 20, 2017 22:09:00 GMT -6
$90,000 Landcruiser. $18,000 Corolla. Apples to oranges comparison--- helmets have one function... protect players from head injuries. Cars are modes of transportation that are also used as status symbols hence different price range/ luxury cars/ motorcycles. What I'm saying is a company telling me I can buy this super safe helmet and they will throw in this not as safe helmet for free.... so what do I tell the kid I give the not as safe helmet to? He's not as important? What if you have 50 kids a 49 helmets? That free one sure is nice. What if you enough helmets, but the free on is an improvement on one a kids is wearing. Isn't that better? Put the $700 on a varsity guy and the other on a JV. Or $700 on a senior and other on a junior. $700 on a kid who has played for three years and other on a new kid. I will answer the real question on my next post. |
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Post by silkyice on Jul 20, 2017 22:16:12 GMT -6
I was offered this helmet for $550 plus a free air XP helmet.... what I don't get about these things if that if one helmet is so much "safer" than another how could you as a company sell something so much less "safe" than another product you sell. How can a company sell you something less "safe"? First, it has passed current standards and has been used safely for years. It isn't a leather helmet. Second, they can sell those things for $150. A new one costs $700. There is no free lunch. That means that almost 5 kids can wear a brand new safe helmet. Or one kid can get the cheaper one and save the school, team, or his parents $550. Which can be used to buy anything. Books, and iPad, a cheap motorcycle to ride to school. If you need to outfit 50 kids with new helmets, then that $150 helmet (that is better than what I played in), sounds pretty good. It might be the difference between a team being able to have a team or not. Now, if the company is negligent by making an unsafe product, different story. But most companies offer a variety of goods or services at different prices. And companies have to make a profit in order to be a company so these different options help the company, investors, employees, and the consumers!! In short, ECONOMICS!!! |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 21, 2017 8:25:06 GMT -6
I was offered this helmet for $550 plus a free air XP helmet.... what I don't get about these things if that if one helmet is so much "safer" than another how could you as a company sell something so much less "safe" than another product you sell. I understand what you are getting at, I will just comment with some other questions to help you try and see things from a bit of a different perspective: Do you (or your family members) see a doctor. Is that doctor the best doctor in the region? Did that doctor graduate at the top of his/her medschool class? Was that doctor the first candidate to match for the residency program of their choosing, and was that residency program rated the best in that discipline? That said, I absolutely understand your point, and I too wouldn't really enjoy a scenario where a kid wearing the not super expensive helmet gets a concussion, and was asked by Parents why their son/daughter wasn't wearing one of the new super duper helmets. It is a sticky situation because the players are given helmets, not choosing them. |
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Post by silkyice on Jul 21, 2017 9:04:51 GMT -6
I was offered this helmet for $550 plus a free air XP helmet.... what I don't get about these things if that if one helmet is so much "safer" than another how could you as a company sell something so much less "safe" than another product you sell. I understand what you are getting at, I will just comment with some other questions to help you try and see things from a bit of a different perspective: Do you (or your family members) see a doctor. Is that doctor the best doctor in the region? Did that doctor graduate at the top of his/her medschool class? Was that doctor the first candidate to match for the residency program of their choosing, and was that residency program rated the best in that discipline? That said, I absolutely understand your point, and I too wouldn't really enjoy a scenario where a kid wearing the not super expensive helmet gets a concussion, and was asked by Parents why their son/daughter wasn't wearing one of the new super duper helmets. It is a sticky situation because the players are given helmets, not choosing them. Give the parents the option of buying their own helmets. I understand the feeling, but if you follow the logic, every player should be in the exact same helmet. So you either bankrupt your program or never upgrade. |
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Post by 19delta on Jul 21, 2017 9:56:55 GMT -6
I understand what you are getting at, I will just comment with some other questions to help you try and see things from a bit of a different perspective: Do you (or your family members) see a doctor. Is that doctor the best doctor in the region? Did that doctor graduate at the top of his/her medschool class? Was that doctor the first candidate to match for the residency program of their choosing, and was that residency program rated the best in that discipline? That said, I absolutely understand your point, and I too wouldn't really enjoy a scenario where a kid wearing the not super expensive helmet gets a concussion, and was asked by Parents why their son/daughter wasn't wearing one of the new super duper helmets. It is a sticky situation because the players are given helmets, not choosing them. Give the parents the option of buying their own helmets. I understand the feeling, but if you follow the logic, every player should be in the exact same helmet. So you either bankrupt you program or never upgrade. I had this thought when I first posted the link. I do think this will eventually be a possibility. I would imagine that wealthier districts will find a way to subsidize the helmet purchase. |
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Post by vanden48 on Aug 10, 2017 10:48:17 GMT -6
I gave the parents the option of purchasing their player the better helmets at my last school. I had 8 parents purchase Speed Flex or Xenith Epics. That was out of 50 kids in the program. That allowed me to purchase more higher end helmets as well. Some schools will have a liability issue with it.
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 10, 2017 18:38:23 GMT -6
I gave the parents the option of purchasing their player the better helmets at my last school. I had 8 parents purchase Speed Flex or Xenith Epics. That was out of 50 kids in the program. That allowed me to purchase more higher end helmets as well. Some schools will have a liability issue with it. Coach, just an opinion here, so take it for what you want : I would avoid using qualitative terms such as "better" when describing the equipment your athletes are wearing. You gave the parents the option of purchasing their player the MORE EXPENSIVE helmet. Just seems safer. You are offering the kids quality equipment that meets the needs of the sport. Let other people judge "better" |
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Post by vanden48 on Aug 12, 2017 12:16:51 GMT -6
I gave the parents the option of purchasing their player the better helmets at my last school. I had 8 parents purchase Speed Flex or Xenith Epics. That was out of 50 kids in the program. That allowed me to purchase more higher end helmets as well. Some schools will have a liability issue with it. Coach, just an opinion here, so take it for what you want : I would avoid using qualitative terms such as "better" when describing the equipment your athletes are wearing. You gave the parents the option of purchasing their player the MORE EXPENSIVE helmet. Just seems safer. You are offering the kids quality equipment that meets the needs of the sport. Let other people judge "better" Yes, I was very careful about not throwing the school under the bus for buying less expensive gear. When talking to the parents we did tell them that there are options A-B-C and that C is the most expensive. I just said more expensive on here. |
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Post by dluster2 on Nov 9, 2017 10:56:53 GMT -6
On that safety first sports site. One of my players found a coupon code for 20% off each order if you put in "New Customer" in the coupon code. Hopefully they won't see this but we have taken full advantage of that. They are blowing out there old models for next year so we are set. Great time to buy equipment right now as all dealers will get rid of new 2017 models to make room for the new models. Hope that helps. We do have two F7's. Pretty awesome. I think the F7 and the FlexSpeed are way better than other models. Wish we had these helmets when we played, my forehead wouldn't look like an old cutting board.
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Post by bullsvp on Nov 9, 2017 21:12:31 GMT -6
if buying the 2017 helmets does it have the 2017 label or 2018 since these presumably won’t be used until next season.
If they still are labeled 2017 you’d only get 9 season out of them instead of 10
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Post by hsrose on Nov 9, 2017 22:28:25 GMT -6
I just got a trade-in flyer from Schutt - F7 for $350, Z10 for $195. I've not bought helmets for 2 seasons and am looking at doing what they want - trade in older helmets for newer ones.
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