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Post by 3rdandlong on Jun 27, 2017 14:48:33 GMT -6
Why is this such a common phrase coaches say these days? And what's the reasoning behind it?
So you're saying you could yell at kids 15 years ago but not today? I refuse to believe that kids were tougher back then.
In general, I yell... A lot. I yell when I'm happy. I yell when I'm angry. I yell when I'm indifferent. Heck, I yell. I yell when I'm teaching class. I yell when I'm getting it on with my wife. I yell when the water's too cold.
I also use curse words. Now I never use curse words directed at the kids (name calling). But yes, when a kid does something poorly after he's been corrected 10 times, I will yell and I will likely use some colorful language while doing so.
When I don't yell, the kids look at me like something's wrong or they think I'm being sarcastic. It's just not me.
Now at the same time, when Johnny makes a good catch, I yell then too. And I probably use some colorful language to describe that great catch.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 27, 2017 15:00:33 GMT -6
I will say there is far less you can say to kids in general now than when I started in 99. On average, kids will just quit more now.
You certainly can't say the kind of things that got said to me in my HS playing career in 90-93.
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Post by aceback76 on Jun 27, 2017 15:03:39 GMT -6
Why is this such a common phrase coaches say these days? And what's the reasoning behind it? So you're saying you could yell at kids 15 years ago but not today? I refuse to believe that kids were tougher back then. In general, I yell... A lot. I yell when I'm happy. I yell when I'm angry. I yell when I'm indifferent. Heck, I yell. I yell when I'm teaching class. I yell when I'm getting it on with my wife. I yell when the water's too cold. I also use curse words. Now I never use curse words directed at the kids (name calling). But yes, when a kid does something poorly after he's been corrected 10 times, I will yell and I will likely use some colorful language while doing so. When I don't yell, the kids look at me like something's wrong or they think I'm being sarcastic. It's just not me. Now at the same time, when Johnny makes a good catch, I yell then too. And I probably use some colorful language to describe that great catch. Like Lou Holtz always said: "Yell at the SITUATION, not the kid"! Bobby Bowden used to simply say: "Dadgummit"!
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Post by 3rdandlong on Jun 27, 2017 15:16:08 GMT -6
I don't say insults but I have cussed the situation. I mean, I just wonder why people didn't freak out about things they do now.
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Post by coachfloyd on Jun 27, 2017 15:37:09 GMT -6
You can yell all you want if you have developed a relationship. Also very much depends on the kid. Some guys respond to it and some don't. If it's a guy who doesn't then you aren't being very effective. You have to find the right buttons to push.
Few years ago I had a very talented offensive lineman who was not very aggressive. His mom told me that he didn't respond well to getting yelled at and I took it to heart. Then one day I had enough of him not being the best on the field. I went off. Next play the poor dude across from him, who was a legit player in his own rite, got planted a few yards down field. Momma was wrong. The next year he was named top ten oline in the state. He plays D1 now and still calls me. I earned the right to yell at him by developing that relationship.
I have a guy right now that doesn't respond at all if I yell. So I put my arm around him and talk quietly. Yelling has no effect on him.
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Post by brophy on Jun 27, 2017 15:46:31 GMT -6
I refuse to believe that kids were tougher back then. because of THIS kids will just quit more now. You used to be able to be direct and point out errors and DEMAND kids get right or elseYou simply can't do that in today's world. You can be direct and point out errors today, but it REQUIRES endless stroking and coddling to buffer it. Why? I honestly believe its because we have a bunch of boys being raised like moody little girls, thinking they need to be validated at every turn. Long story short, everything you're seeing, all the opposition to leadership, all the fighting progress you encounter is borne out of unhealthy/incorrect processing of your environment measure these kids' interpretation of any given event with this road map and you'll have your answer If you're honestly equating "loud volume" to "aggressive reprimand", then have fun with your strawman
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Post by coachdubyah on Jun 27, 2017 15:56:51 GMT -6
Why is this such a common phrase coaches say these days? And what's the reasoning behind it? So you're saying you could yell at kids 15 years ago but not today? I refuse to believe that kids were tougher back then. In general, I yell... A lot. I yell when I'm happy. I yell when I'm angry. I yell when I'm indifferent. Heck, I yell. I yell when I'm teaching class. I yell when I'm getting it on with my wife. I yell when the water's too cold. I also use curse words. Now I never use curse words directed at the kids (name calling). But yes, when a kid does something poorly after he's been corrected 10 times, I will yell and I will likely use some colorful language while doing so. When I don't yell, the kids look at me like something's wrong or they think I'm being sarcastic. It's just not me. Now at the same time, when Johnny makes a good catch, I yell then too. And I probably use some colorful language to describe that great catch. I'm printing this and hanging it on my fridge.
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Post by silkyice on Jun 27, 2017 16:59:08 GMT -6
You can yell all you want if you have developed a relationship. Also very much depends on the kid. Some guys respond to it and some don't. If it's a guy who doesn't then you aren't being very effective. You have to find the right buttons to push. Few years ago I had a very talented offensive lineman who was not very aggressive. His mom told me that he didn't respond well to getting yelled at and I took it to heart. Then one day I had enough of him not being the best on the field. I went off. Next play the poor dude across from him, who was a legit player in his own rite, got planted a few yards down field. Momma was wrong. The next year he was named top ten oline in the state. He plays D1 now and still calls me. I earned the right to yell at him by developing that relationship. I have a guy right now that doesn't respond at all if I yell. So I put my arm around him and talk quietly. Yelling has no effect on him. Coach, but what about his feeeeelingssss...
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Post by coachdubyah on Jun 27, 2017 17:19:35 GMT -6
3rdandlong, The only thing that would have made that first post better is if you would have typed it in ALL CAPS!
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Post by carookie on Jun 27, 2017 17:42:26 GMT -6
Why is this such a common phrase coaches say these days? And what's the reasoning behind it? So you're saying you could yell at kids 15 years ago but not today? I refuse to believe that kids were tougher back then. In general, I yell... A lot. I yell when I'm happy. I yell when I'm angry. I yell when I'm indifferent. Heck, I yell. I yell when I'm teaching class. I yell when I'm getting it on with my wife. I yell when the water's too cold. I also use curse words. Now I never use curse words directed at the kids (name calling). But yes, when a kid does something poorly after he's been corrected 10 times, I will yell and I will likely use some colorful language while doing so. When I don't yell, the kids look at me like something's wrong or they think I'm being sarcastic. It's just not me. Now at the same time, when Johnny makes a good catch, I yell then too. And I probably use some colorful language to describe that great catch. I think there are two different things going on in your coaching and teaching, there is yelling and then there is screaming. I too am very loud, and often told that I can be heard throughout campus during practice, I also am very loud in the classroom (as you are) I get excited and enjoy doing so. To me, this is yelling and is still acceptable. Moreover, you can yell and point out negatives when you do it. You can yell, "Johnny get your eyes out of the backfield and on the receiver you are covering or he will beat you." Heck, you can even add on there, "do it right or I will find someone who will." Screaming on the other hand is yelling in a demeaning way, it tends to be in a way that tries to scare the player into changing his actions or behavior through the act of screaming (as if the coach is losing his control and will harm the player). Screaming often times comes with being demeaning and insulting- not in a sarcastic way either. Screaming is not really accepted in society anymore nor are the attitudes attached with it; that being written there are still plenty of screamers out there. Often times they justify it by claiming they are just, "toughening the kids up." Which I find weird because I have never been screamed at in such a way in all my life except when I played football. I don't think this has anything to do with kids being tougher; rather societal norms stating people in authority shouldnt demean or attack others, and studies showing that people tend to no perform better when they are being screamed at
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Post by hunhdisciple on Jun 27, 2017 18:52:49 GMT -6
I don't yell, but I also am not someone who yells in general.
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Post by funkfriss on Jun 27, 2017 19:45:11 GMT -6
I agree with brophy and larrymoe in that more kids will quit today when yelled at. I don't know if toughness is the right word, but I will say there are more kids today who aren't capable of handling criticism, especially public criticism, effectively than in the past. I never recall ANYBODY quitting any sport when I grew up despite having multiple coaches who would yell at us and criticize us constantly. For example, "Jesus Christ catch the BALL!!" was yelled in my direction more than a few times. I never had a thought of quitting because I had experienced that type of criticism all the time growing up from my parents, youth coaches, teachers, relatives, etc. I think there was a huge push for nurturing, support, and positive reinforcement through the last 20 years or so that has given us this culture now in certain places. Some kids don't grow up with criticism and shaming so they don't know how to cope when it happens later. I've heard many players after getting yelled at say "Coach __ doesn't like me," to which I ALWAYS respond, "If Coach __ really didn't like you or care about you he would just ignore you." That said, I'm a part-time teller. I pick my kids/moments when I think it will be most effective, but my natural instinct isn't to yell. It's just not my personality and I don't believe in faking it.
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Post by coachjm on Jun 27, 2017 20:02:42 GMT -6
Interesting topic:
I'm a big, loud, aggressive man by nature. I have found that softening my approach with most things I have better results but this might be because of my general demeanor can be viewed more aggressive then I even intend it to.
As an AD, I tell every Coach on our staff if they swear I can not defend them, ultimately, they know as does my staff that if you swear at a kid there is no way I can justify to that parent or that kid that is ok. Ultimately, some kids and some parents don't care at all and some coaches have great relationships with kids and can speak more directly then others.
With that stated, I also believe that confidence is developed through success, more specifically success in accomplishments that one finds difficult, and I also believe that there are two types of toughness, one in which a person will persevere because they believe the outcome will be successful (which stems from there confidence), the other is withstanding physical pain which stems from a greater level of tolerance that comes from an exposure to levels of phsyical pain.
I believe our greatest asset as a program has to be the level of toughness that we create, I don't think the yelling or screaming of any coach develops this, although I do believe it is a tactic that can be used I do think there are superior methods. With that stated the importance of providing immediate feedback (encouragement or instruction) verbally, and having a sense of urgency (energy) during this feedback is critical in the process of developing toughness as it enhances pace.
In the end if you are inspiring a greater number of kids to play greater your method is magical and don't change a thing, however if you are inspiring a lower number of kids or a not inspiring a greater level of play you need to analyze your methods.
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Post by tippecanoe41 on Jun 28, 2017 0:19:32 GMT -6
I think you are onto something about kids being as tough now as they were years ago. And I aplogize to everyone in advance that I'm probably going to make this a long post. haha
I may think about it differently than you are while you say it, though. When I think of it, I think that kids today have every single capability that kids did 15 years ago to soldier through a good screaming, ripping from an authority figure. BUUUUUTTT. Increasingly, every single day, month, year, they are being told more and more that they should never have to deal with such a thing happening to them. As such, they never learn to react in the correct manner to being told that they have done wrong and they never learn how to use TOUGHNESS for anything. This may just be my area of the country, so forgive me if I'm way off for anybody else's area. And when I say toughness, I don't mean a kid's ability to stand tough through constant berating from a parent OR ANYONE, because I'm NOT in any way saying that that is okay. I don't know why I remember this, but once, I was about 12 years old, and I made a smart-@$$ remark to a teacher when I shouldn't have. My mom was NOT worried AT ALL about my explanation of the story. She actually took off work early the day after I told her of this punishment and came to the school and grabbed me from my path towards my bus and took me inside to find the teacher I had offended and told the teacher that this WOULD NOT happen again, forced me to apologize, and was actually in tears as we left because her son had done something so disrespectful.
She could have taken my side. She didn't. haha. Instead, she let me know that I still wasn't too old to worry about my dad getting home and the whipping that would ensue. haha.
She let me know very quickly that that was not accepted.
In fact, when I got old enough to play at my high school (about 15 years ago), she had heard the stories of the coach who started the program back in the 70's grabbing players by the facemask and twisting it around so much that he was screaming at their face while ALSO screaming through their earhole, and her advice when I was heading off for the first day of practice (with a different coach since he had retired already at that point) was that if I had done something bad enough and so many times in a row to make a coach reprimand me in that way, I OUGHT NOT behave in that manner anymore if I didn't want the same thing to happen to me.
A few years ago, I was finishing my degree with my semester of student teaching. I gave a girl a "demerit." It was a very simple thing. It just meant she couldn't be a part of the fun day at the end of the 9 weeks and would instead sit in a "study hall" situation as her punishment. She was furious. I soon found out that her mother was furious, too. I was at the parent/teacher conference and that mother told my supervising teacher that everything would be great for her daughter if I would stop picking on her. I thought at this point I had the upper hand. I told her mother exactly the way that she had acted disrespectfully to me (an authority figure) and I said that I had told her I was 25 years old at the time (not 13, like this girl) and would STILL not talk to an authority figure in that manner. I thought the mother would, at that point, after hearing MY explanation of the events, be on my side and say that her daughter had told her a lie about how the whole thing went down. I WAS WRONG haha. She still was on her daughter's side.
I recently was at a summer practice to prepare for the next football season. Let's say we had 40 kids at the practice. In our state, we are only allowed to have a few practices that involve thud hitting. I had approximately 12-15 kids who were LB's to fill the three LB spots in our scrimmage at the end of practice. This is June and practice starts in August in our state and we won't make decisions about starters until at least August 15. I call all LB's to me, they form a group, I tell three of them randomly to play LB and the rest to get mixed in on offense so we can try to get a "best on best" situation for the scrimmage. IMMEDIATELY, there's a kid that gets pulled into play guard on offense and starts doing every body signal possible to tell me that he's unhappy that he isn't playing LB first, in front of every other LB candidate, ASAP. Because it is supposed to be a "DEFENSIVE" scrimmage, all he has to do at guard is look at a paper being held up in front of him to know which defensive player he's supposed to block, for the offensive play to be run properly. He has choices. He could decide that he would perform so well on offense that I have no choice but see how well he is doing his assignments on offense and then decide to put him in the starting rotation on defense since he acts like a guy who will do his assignment no matter what it takes.
Instead, he waits until we are about 3 plays into scrimmage to see me and say, "Hey Brown, am I gonna play Linebacker today or what?" in exactly as snotty an attitude as you can imagine. I have been making it a point to not snap until August--kids are learning a new program with a new head coach (recently hired), but I want desperately to snap at this terribly inappropriate situation and use it to explain that selfishness on defense drives me to the point of choking people. I'm quite certain that I'll be called in to explain myself in the near future.
So, to get back to the original post, I have found that you can act the same way you did many years ago, but now you have to worry about whether some parent, who doesn't love their child enough to teach them basic manners, will try to go to a school board meeting and act like you are a NAZI just because you punished her son/daughter in the most miniscule way possible.
Now we have an age group of kids who are unable to realize what it means to be a TEAM player and they try to do other things to make it seem like they understand the situation fully!!!
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Post by ccscoach on Jun 28, 2017 4:52:18 GMT -6
We treat them like adults if they can't handle it we move on at some point they have to grow up. Some bosses yell at people some don't.
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Post by planck on Jun 28, 2017 6:46:07 GMT -6
Forgive me for playing devil's advocate, but why SHOULD kids stand around and endure verbal abuse? To "build character" or "show they're a man"? If I had a boss who did that to me, I'd walk out too. Why should kids put up with it?
You'd want your supervisor to tell you when you make a mistake (and, if necessary, be a resource to fix it) without them making you feel an inch tall. Treat your players how you would like to be treated. That's not some new age {censored}, that's been around since Adam.
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Post by brophy on Jun 28, 2017 7:07:35 GMT -6
20 years from now those kids will be telling stories of how coach made them run an extra sprint like they were the Junction Boys.
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Post by freezeoption on Jun 28, 2017 9:26:08 GMT -6
There is a difference between yelling or talking loudly and being demeaning. I've been yelled at, did I like it, no, but I busted my butt so it wouldn't happen again. Now, if they had also been demeaning I might have cleaned their clock, but again I probably wouldn't. You have to be able to work with people with different personalities. I am afraid, when these kids that cant handle yelling or being corrected, will have a lot of hard lessons in life that they may not be able to overcome for a lack of fortitude.
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Post by The Lunch Pail on Jun 28, 2017 10:03:37 GMT -6
As others have stated, yelling is coaching loudly. It may be loud to emphasize something (we don't do that here, etc), grab attention, or simply to resemble an authority figure. Most soft-spoken coaches IME have a tougher time building respect from kids than louder, more confident speakers.
I am pretty loud on the field, but I'm loud with buzzwords. One of my top pet peeves in coaching is hearing someone screaming "BLOCK SOMEBODY!!" or "WRAP UP!!" in situations they hardly apply in. That's not coaching, that's being an ignorant dick with no empathy or knowledge of actually what went wrong. That's "screaming" in my book.
Another way I define "screaming" is someone who just looks to flat out embarrass the kid. I was at a 7v7 a few years ago, and heard a coach screaming at one of his receivers that he "looked like he had cerebral palsy" when he tried to catch the ball. That's mocking a player in public, which is indefensible and unacceptable.
Being a young coach, I deal with disrespect from players all the time. I've got a smaller age differential with them than the other coaches, so they expect me to let them talk to me like a peer instead of an authority. Especially when they know I'm not the most powerful guy on the staff, they think they can get away with anything. Hell, I STILL have to tell kids to stop addressing me by my first name when I'm coaching them. But, I never SCREAM at them. Because I'm new to the school I'm at now, I can't scream at a kid I don't have a built relationship with. That will either cause them to tune me out (the aforementioned "coach ____ just hates me") or make myself look like an idiot (again, I don't have the authority on my staff yet to just stop everything and make everyone run).
The best thing to do when a player is being disrespectful is to talk to them in privacy. I don't care how "soft" that may sound. Nothing good ever happens in the heat of the moment when two guys are getting heated toward one another. So give the kid some time to decompress and release some of the anger, and he might just tell you why that happened. Remember, we're dealing with 17 year old kids. They don't handle some stuff well. Whether it's girls, grades, or something else, oftentimes outside influences can make a difference in how a kid acts on the field. But in the heat of the moment, we will either run the entire offense/defense (one man's selfishness effects the entire team) or simply tell the kid to go cool off by himself if he's REALLY being an issue (park it and move on).
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Post by s73 on Jun 28, 2017 10:25:39 GMT -6
Why is this such a common phrase coaches say these days? And what's the reasoning behind it? So you're saying you could yell at kids 15 years ago but not today? I refuse to believe that kids were tougher back then. In general, I yell... A lot. I yell when I'm happy. I yell when I'm angry. I yell when I'm indifferent. Heck, I yell. I yell when I'm teaching class. I yell when I'm getting it on with my wife. I yell when the water's too cold. I also use curse words. Now I never use curse words directed at the kids (name calling). But yes, when a kid does something poorly after he's been corrected 10 times, I will yell and I will likely use some colorful language while doing so. When I don't yell, the kids look at me like something's wrong or they think I'm being sarcastic. It's just not me. Now at the same time, when Johnny makes a good catch, I yell then too. And I probably use some colorful language to describe that great catch. The one thing that I have done in the past and am trying to do even more now is when I yell or correct a player I aways try to remember to tell them personally or the team in general...do you think us as coaches are correcting you because we want to hurt you or help you? I have yet to hear anyone say "to hurt me/us". They may be thinking it but they don't say it. And....if they are thinking it then all the more reason to clarify why we as coaches said what we said or reacted the way we did. Yesterday was working w/ a couple of soph. DL who are just awful. One of them has some potential but is lazy. I really started getting on them yesterday for not applying what we work on. Well, eventually they started improving their performance and then I praised them like crazy. I could tell that the praise and the improved results changed their demeanor towards me and the practice in general as the day finished. In the beginning I could tell they thought I was just being grumpy but by the end the light started to come on some. And just for the record, I didn't praise them like crazy to "nurse their wounds" I was genuinely surprised/pleased that they improved greatly over a series of plays. That's the other thing that I think is HUGE., being GENUINE. IMO kids can tell the difference between a cranky bully and genuine passion. Genuine passion has a tone of "we're in this together" bullying on the other hand is just that. JMO of course.
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Post by 3rdandlong on Jun 28, 2017 10:35:17 GMT -6
If you do not correct a negative behavior you reinforce it. If you do not praise a positive behavior you extinguish it.
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Post by groundchuck on Jun 28, 2017 10:41:25 GMT -6
In a game early last season we were playing terrible in the first half. My DC and I said their play was embarrassing the standards of the program. Parents complained because some of the kids felt bad we were embarrassed. I had to meet with the AD AND superintendent about it.
Ironically some of the dads were acting like clowns embarrassing themselves in the stands all game. But that is ok I guess.
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Post by 3rdandlong on Jun 28, 2017 11:16:06 GMT -6
In a game early last season we were playing terrible in the first half. My DC and I said their play was embarrassing the standards of the program. Parents complained because some of the kids felt bad we were embarrassed. I had to meet with the AD AND superintendent about it. Ironically some of the dads were acting like clowns embarrassing themselves in the stands all game. But that is ok I guess. Wow really? That's pretty unbelievable. I'm sure the locker room went something like this. "You're playing like horsechit out there! This is not the standard our program has. This is not the standard you have lived up to. You are embarrassing yourselves and the program with the way you're playing right now. You're better than this and you better start playing like it! This has been embarrassing!" Nothing that anyone should have to sit down with the superintendent about.
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Post by tchestovich on Jun 28, 2017 11:23:50 GMT -6
I like to be passionate about what I am doing and sometimes that means that I get loud. All of the players know that I truly care for them and I am trying to make them better. That doesn't mean that I put them down and ridicule them. I am probably harder on the "star" players than I am on the "JV" guy. Be honest with them at all times and sometimes we don't like what we hear but that is life. Nobody is perfect. At the end of the day it is all about loving them up. We all have days where we aren't at our best.
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Post by s73 on Jun 28, 2017 11:44:22 GMT -6
I like to be passionate about what I am doing and sometimes that means that I get loud. All of the players know that I truly care for them and I am trying to make them better. That doesn't mean that I put them down and ridicule them. I am probably harder on the "star" players than I am on the "JV" guy. Be honest with them at all times and sometimes we don't like what we hear but that is life. Nobody is perfect. At the end of the day it is all about loving them up. We all have days where we aren't at our best. I agree with this. I would also add that what's good for the goose.....I have definitely 3-4 practices every season where I just had a bad day & blew with a kid or 2. Out of frustration or whatever, I was not constructive but more, how shall I say....a d!ck. I believe we have to own up to that to. If you do that IMO it goes a long way with kids. It's not easy to do but I have pulled kids aside either after practice or the next day and apologized if I thought I went to far. I think that's HUGE in modeling kids taking responsibility for their behavior. I only bring this up b/c I have occasionally worked w/ guys who no matter what the kid is at fault....even when he isn't. I think screwing up as a coach is part of the deal, but owning it on our end gives us the RIGHT to make them own up on theirs as well. JMO.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 28, 2017 12:52:14 GMT -6
20 years from now those kids will be telling stories of how coach made them run an extra sprint like they were the Junction Boys. This is fantastic. And true.
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Post by oldman61 on Jun 28, 2017 13:26:24 GMT -6
20 years from now those kids will be telling stories of how coach made them run an extra sprint like they were the Junction Boys. This is fantastic. And true. Isn't this true of every "generation" of player though? Obviously players eventually become the coaches, has there ever been a coaching staff that said of their players, "these kids are so much tougher than we were in HS" I also love the coaches that say, "these kids don't work nearly as hard as 'we' did". I always want to respond with 1 of 2 ways, 1. You're misremembering how hard you ACTUALLY worked in HS, or 2. Dude you were an SEC player, of course your worked harder than this kid that's not good enough to play for even US. I can't speak for every player out there, but in general I still see many kids that want to be held accountable, they want to make you happy, there are still kids that come out to wear the jersey, and quit after picture day. That's always happened though. I also still see many kids that do everything we ask them too, and work their butts off. I also believe many coaches mistake "kids" with situations. An example would be the coach who comes from a military family, and then coaches in a situation with broken homes with no accountability from parents. It's not that kids are that different there are just TONS of different situations in America and we're becoming more diverse every year. Maybe I'm just grumpy too
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Post by canesfan on Jun 28, 2017 13:26:58 GMT -6
You can rip kids. I do, just how I'm wired. But I don't think it can be all you do. I'm gonna go nuts on a busted Coverage or poorly executed tackle, but I might meet you at the numbers after a pick six with a chest bump.
Our kids know that I'm a hard egg. Probably rubs some the wrong way but there is no one who will do more for them on or off the field. I want our kids to have the best of everything, gear, equipment, coaching, but in return I expect kids to do what they're taught. No excuses. I don't care if it's 7on7, spring ball, playoff game etc. I expect kids to do what they're taught and when they don't they're going to hear about it.
Every staff needs a guy that kids think might be a little nuts. Can't have a staff full though imo.
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Post by brophy on Jun 28, 2017 13:37:29 GMT -6
This is fantastic. And true. Isn't this true of every "generation" of player though? there's a difference between going through physical hardship and getting your feelings hurt. Today's generation (some adults, too) don't make that distinction. Its one thing to have to run 50 laps vs 20 laps. Its another thing to equate running laps as the same as being told you shouldn't quit a drill anytime you're a little winded. When you're surrounded by an echo chamber of self-centeredness, I'd imagine it would be hard to make that distinction. There are tons of Huey archives if what this thread is just about the title of the thread. What the OP wrote wasn't about that.
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Post by 3rdandlong on Jun 28, 2017 13:42:11 GMT -6
This is fantastic. And true. Isn't this true of every "generation" of player though? Obviously players eventually become the coaches, has there ever been a coaching staff that said of their players, "these kids are so much tougher than we were in HS" I also love the coaches that say, "these kids don't work nearly as hard as 'we' did". I always want to respond with 1 of 2 ways, 1. You're misremembering how hard you ACTUALLY worked in HS, or 2. Dude you were an SEC player, of course your worked harder than this kid that's not good enough to play for even US. I can't speak for every player out there, but in general I still see many kids that want to be held accountable, they want to make you happy, there are still kids that come out to wear the jersey, and quit after picture day. That's always happened though. I also still see many kids that do everything we ask them too, and work their butts off. I also believe many coaches mistake "kids" with situations. An example would be the coach who comes from a military family, and then coaches in a situation with broken homes with no accountability from parents. It's not that kids are that different there are just TONS of different situations in America and we're becoming more diverse every year. Maybe I'm just grumpy too I agree with this which is why I don't believe there is some kind of new age way you should talk to kids these days. Kids haven't liked being reprimanded since the beginning of time so why should we all of a sudden change something? Is it because we don't want them to go through something they may not like?
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