scottc
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Post by scottc on Jun 17, 2017 12:35:34 GMT -6
Our staff has always coached one side of the ball. We have liked this because when the varsity is on say offense in group etc then the JV will work defense so we like the development we get from this method. However, due to staff shortage in personnel etc we may not have the coaches to do this. So some of the brainstorming we have had has us possibly coaching both sides of the ball obviously but with a format of devoting each practice to either offense or defense for that day along with special teams work. So was wondering if any of you guys that devote practices to one side or the other could share a general overview of how you do it schedule wise and for others pro/con of this method. Can you do it in season or preseason etc. thanks.
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Post by aceback76 on Jun 17, 2017 13:30:31 GMT -6
Our staff has always coached one side of the ball. We have liked this because when the varsity is on say offense in group etc then the JV will work defense so we like the development we get from this method. However, due to staff shortage in personnel etc we may not have the coaches to do this. So some of the brainstorming we have had has us possibly coaching both sides of the ball obviously but with a format of devoting each practice to either offense or defense for that day along with special teams work. So was wondering if any of you guys that devote practices to one side or the other could share a general overview of how you do it schedule wise and for others pro/con of this method. Can you do it in season or preseason etc. thanks. IF you players have to lean BOTH O & D = try it like this (assuming you play Fridays): Monday = Defense Tuesday = Offense Wednesday = BOTH (half & half) Thursday = A lot of Special Teams work, & reviews of O & D; 2 Minute Drill, ETC.
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Post by coachirish on Jun 17, 2017 15:43:37 GMT -6
We do this.... Monday- O and D install, weights, jv game Tuesday- Defense with about 10 min of team O. Wednesday- offense with about 10 min of team defense. Thursdsy- everything
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Post by doitforthekids on Jun 17, 2017 15:46:34 GMT -6
We just simply do an hour of each for every practice all year. If your practice efficiency is high you'll get more than enough reps.
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Post by bluboy on Jun 17, 2017 16:17:44 GMT -6
We do both sides of the ball every day. I get about 55-65 minutes for defense each practice. If we go 75% offense and 25% defense, I get about 30 for defense.
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Post by jlenwood on Jun 18, 2017 6:14:42 GMT -6
I would do them on the same day, for the reason that you are going to have players that don't go both ways. The player that only goes one way will give you a terrible practice when it is not his day. The offensive player will hate Tuesdays cause that's offensive day...
Every time I was part of a single side of the ball practice situation, it just never worked as well.
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Post by blb on Jun 18, 2017 6:27:56 GMT -6
I never felt we could get enough work in on either offense or defense in just one day, especially situations.
So we did both each day with an emphasis on one or the other.
Our state kind of screwed this up when they outlawed "collision" practices two days a week - meaning we couldn't practice defense at full speed just wrapping BC up. Hard to practice defense when holding hand shields or dummies and not tackling.
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Post by groundchuck on Jun 20, 2017 3:30:12 GMT -6
I think it is important to find a way to get all three phases taught each day. Especially with a young team. Individual and group is when you make the most gains with fundos.
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Post by fantom on Jun 20, 2017 8:27:16 GMT -6
Our staff has always coached one side of the ball. We have liked this because when the varsity is on say offense in group etc then the JV will work defense so we like the development we get from this method. However, due to staff shortage in personnel etc we may not have the coaches to do this. So some of the brainstorming we have had has us possibly coaching both sides of the ball obviously but with a format of devoting each practice to either offense or defense for that day along with special teams work. So was wondering if any of you guys that devote practices to one side or the other could share a general overview of how you do it schedule wise and for others pro/con of this method. Can you do it in season or preseason etc. thanks. We've done it this way forever. Our weekly schedule: M- Lift, film, scouting report/game plan, conditioning. T- Offense (Plus a short defensive period)+ ST's W- Defense (Plus a short offensive period)+ ST's Th- Lift, review O, D, ST.
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Post by rsmith627 on Jun 20, 2017 10:29:21 GMT -6
We did defense days and offense days at one stop I was at and hated it. We would go O on Monday and then not see anything again until Wednesday, pregame was Thursday.
That just isn't enough IMO even if it's the same amount of reps if you go split practices.
I was also one of 2 coaches who had no defensive responsibility so defensive days were just a waste of my time. I'd help out with DL drills and work on O stuff during those drills if it applied to us, but those days felt useless to me.
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Post by carookie on Jun 20, 2017 13:44:58 GMT -6
All things being equal I like splitting practices. I have done both, but as others have mentioned it allows you to keep technique and assignment fresh in the player's mind.
Of course a lot of this is predicated on coach availability.
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Post by **** on Jun 20, 2017 14:05:33 GMT -6
Wouldn't recommend it.
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Post by coachbdud on Jun 20, 2017 14:10:33 GMT -6
Our staff has always coached one side of the ball. We have liked this because when the varsity is on say offense in group etc then the JV will work defense so we like the development we get from this method. However, due to staff shortage in personnel etc we may not have the coaches to do this. So some of the brainstorming we have had has us possibly coaching both sides of the ball obviously but with a format of devoting each practice to either offense or defense for that day along with special teams work. So was wondering if any of you guys that devote practices to one side or the other could share a general overview of how you do it schedule wise and for others pro/con of this method. Can you do it in season or preseason etc. thanks. My personal preference is to be 50/50 split O and D time every day (well, really 60/40 O but i'll compromise and say 50/50) that said, this year HC wanted to switch up practice so now we have an emphasis but still get a little time with the other side of the ball So we currently practice on field for 90 minutes a day, 4x a week (in Spring Ball we were going 45 O and 45 D) On "Offensive" days we practice 65 minutes O and 25 minutes D on "Defensive" days we practice 65 minutes D and 25 minutes O Monday and Wednesday are offensive focus Tuesday and thursday are defensive focus For my planning purposes I tweaked my 3 day install (cut day 3 in half) and we basically work half the offense on Monday and half on Wednesday I look at my 25 minutes on defensive days as "bonus" time and either use it for extra INDY work (can never work fundamentals enough) And/Or use it to work on adding something new for example, i just finished typing today's plan my 25 minutes... 15 is indy based. 10 is us working motion as a wrinkle... Jet and motioning into trips (which is different for us)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2017 15:00:27 GMT -6
Our staff has always coached one side of the ball. We have liked this because when the varsity is on say offense in group etc then the JV will work defense so we like the development we get from this method. However, due to staff shortage in personnel etc we may not have the coaches to do this. So some of the brainstorming we have had has us possibly coaching both sides of the ball obviously but with a format of devoting each practice to either offense or defense for that day along with special teams work. So was wondering if any of you guys that devote practices to one side or the other could share a general overview of how you do it schedule wise and for others pro/con of this method. Can you do it in season or preseason etc. thanks. We've done emphasis days at a few schools I've coached at. Mon. is a shorter practice with film in shells. We split it about evenly (40ish minutes each) and focus on 10-15 kickoff and 10-15 kick return then. We just want to install the gameplan and show them the looks they'll be seeing/install any new wrinkles. Tues. and Wed. are our emphasis days. We don't go 100% offense or defense on our emphasis days. Basically, on offensive emphasis day, the defense will get about 10 minute of indy, maybe a 15 minute tackling circuit, and then 10 of team D (a lot of it might just be alignment and checks). Then offense would get 75-90 minutes (individual, group, team, and situations). We'd work another special team (punt return) and go home. On defensive emphasis day, we would do 10 minutes of individual, then 20 of inside run/7 on 7 (we do these at the same time on opposite ends of the field with the RBs and QBs rotating halfway through, and then 10 of team O. Then we do 75-90ish of defense (individual, group, team, and situations) and punt team before we leave. Thursday is a non-contact review/game simulation on air that works both sides. We also work FG and FG block on this day. We go about 90 minutes, total, and then have a team meal. In the pre-season, we will may just do offensive emphasis on M/W and defense on Tues./Thurs. or something like that, then a short day in shells on Friday if we don't have a scrimmage that week.
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Post by dytmook on Jun 20, 2017 15:59:50 GMT -6
We do this.... Monday- O and D install, weights, jv game Tuesday- Defense with about 10 min of team O. Wednesday- offense with about 10 min of team defense. Thursdsy- everything Roughly this
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