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Post by fantom on Jun 4, 2017 10:23:17 GMT -6
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Post by CS on Jun 4, 2017 10:33:01 GMT -6
Our baseball coach complains about this stuff all the time. They had one of the best years here in a long time. Won a bunch of tournaments and made the semis in state and he still had parents all over him about playing time and what not. It is probably worse in baseball and basketball than in football IMO
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Post by fantom on Jun 4, 2017 10:50:28 GMT -6
Baseball is the worst because there are no physical prototypes. That doesn't mean that we're not going to get a daddy who thinks that the 180 lb. lineman or the pudgy, 5.2 TB would be headed to Ohio State if we'd just let him show what he can do.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 4, 2017 11:59:18 GMT -6
While I understand the idea of the over-entitled youth sports athlete, I am not really understanding Coach Robichaux's apparent dislike of a structure of youth athletics that allows all the kids to play.
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Post by fantom on Jun 4, 2017 12:06:20 GMT -6
While I understand the idea of the over-entitled youth sports athlete, I am not really understanding Coach Robichaux's apparent dislike of a structure of youth athletics that allows all the kids to play. He's talking about select ball where parents play big money so, of course, expect to play. I don't think that he's talking about normal Little League teams.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 4, 2017 12:47:35 GMT -6
I know kids are far less likely to play football today if they don't think they'll start.
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Post by fantom on Jun 4, 2017 12:55:39 GMT -6
I know kids are far less likely to play football today if they don't think they'll start. That's true. I don't know if "Daddy-ball" is to blame but kids don't want to wait and work for an opportunity to play. I think that parents are partly to blame because they'll let, even encourage, kids to quit.
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Post by CS on Jun 4, 2017 13:03:49 GMT -6
I'm not sure how basketball is but I'm leaving a school that is big time baseball/softball and was an asst. On the softball team.
The exploitation around here is amazing. Hitting coaches, pitching coaches, fielding coaches, summer ball coaches, fall ball coaches, and finally us.
I don't see how they do it, honestly. God bless the HC because I wouldn't be able to take it.
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Post by rsmith627 on Jun 4, 2017 13:50:35 GMT -6
I know kids are far less likely to play football today if they don't think they'll start. We had two really good JV kickers last year. Both legit have a shot to get their college paid for. One of them quit because he didnt think he could beat the other one. Sad and pathetic. What is he going to do when he has to compete for a job later on in his life? We also had a JV QB show up this week once he found out that two 9th grade kids who we would have pulled up and started at that level aren't playing. One has concussion issues and the other is a big time hockey player who is probably going to get paid to play in a few years here. This kid has been insisting all offseason he that he didn't want to play. Now magically he rolls in with a great attitude ready to work.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 4, 2017 14:23:59 GMT -6
While I understand the idea of the over-entitled youth sports athlete, I am not really understanding Coach Robichaux's apparent dislike of a structure of youth athletics that allows all the kids to play. He's talking about select ball where parents play big money so, of course, expect to play. I don't think that he's talking about normal Little League teams. I am not familiar with "normal" little league. I do know that in the youth (non travel, non select) baseball league I grew up in, everyone bats, and you play at least every other inning in the field (roster sizes are about 12 per team) So, everyone plays. In the youth (non travel, non select) football league, everyone starts at least one side of the ball (rosters sizes are about 17-18 kids a team) In the basketball league, you have to play at either 1 or 2 quarters (I don't remember) with rosters around 7-8.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 4, 2017 17:48:46 GMT -6
I know kids are far less likely to play football today if they don't think they'll start. We had two really good JV kickers last year. Both legit have a shot to get their college paid for. One of them quit because he didnt think he could beat the other one. Sad and pathetic. What is he going to do when he has to compete for a job later on in his life? We also had a JV QB show up this week once he found out that two 9th grade kids who we would have pulled up and started at that level aren't playing. One has concussion issues and the other is a big time hockey player who is probably going to get paid to play in a few years here. This kid has been insisting all offseason he that he didn't want to play. Now magically he rolls in with a great attitude ready to work. Had a kid couple years ago that played as a freshman, but quit his soph and jr year because he was a "basketball player". Summer before sr year the kid we were planning on being our starting QB gets suspended for getting loaded and driving through 7-10 corn fields. Kid shows up to weights one day and says he wants to play. Best looks he was getting in bball was D3 and daddy thought he could be our QB. I told him he'd start with the WRS and if he grasped the offense we'd see about QB. Daddy shows up and says his son needs to be the starting QB or not play. I told him if that's their thoughts thend I guess he isn't playing. Never saw the kid again.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 4, 2017 17:52:35 GMT -6
I know kids are far less likely to play football today if they don't think they'll start. That's true. I don't know if "Daddy-ball" is to blame but kids don't want to wait and work for an opportunity to play. I think that parents are partly to blame because they'll let, even encourage, kids to quit. Last school I was at, we had a pretty large group of kids that would play as freshmen but quit as soph only to come back as jrs or srs. Shockingly, most of them never caught back up.
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Post by carookie on Jun 4, 2017 18:38:39 GMT -6
"Kids win, they get a giant ring, Robichaux said. And when they lose, they’re still rewarded with pizza parties and trips to the zoo and theme parks."
So is he implying that they are specifically rewarded FOR losing, or that we should predicate doing fun things with our kids based solely on them winning?
I get it, there is a problem with the 'everybody gets a trophy' model, but there is also a problem with the apparent backlash out there that wants to treat children's sports like its life or death. I took my kid to get an ice cream after his games win or lose because I loved him. Apparently I should've withheld my love for him only if he won, now he won't know how to get a job when he gets older?
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Post by freezeoption on Jun 4, 2017 21:07:20 GMT -6
No, get him ice cream if you want. The idea that kids think they deserve something just because they played. I coach a lot of ymca sports because my younger children play so I can coach them. I have been doing this for 14 years now. I stopped doing the snack sign up sheets for after games because I would have parents be all worried about that or they would forget so I would have a back up ready. So this year said to heck with it, if the parents want to bring snacks for their kid after the game great. I am StuCo advisor and we run field day. I give out ribbons 1-5 in each event per class. So we normally have have 8 events times that by K-6th grade. When we are all done we hand out ribbons to the winners. Always got kids crying all over the place because they didn't get a ribbon. After doing this for 8 years I'm thinking about just stopping handing out ribbons, no ribbons, no nothing just play the dang events and call it a day. I've gotten crabbed out by parents and teachers about not every kid gets a ribbon, I always said life's not fair, they want a ribbon then try harder. Now, I'm thinking no ribbons just play for the hell of it.
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Post by trenchwarfare58 on Jun 5, 2017 6:35:24 GMT -6
That's true. I don't know if "Daddy-ball" is to blame but kids don't want to wait and work for an opportunity to play. I think that parents are partly to blame because they'll let, even encourage, kids to quit. Last school I was at, we had a pretty large group of kids that would play as freshmen but quit as soph only to come back as jrs or srs. Shockingly, most of them never caught back up. Had the same thing last year. Kids played as freshmen and were successful; then decided to play baseball year round and didn't come back out for football until their senior year. Didn't know the offense, didn't want to play defense, got mad when they didn't start at "their" position, then showed very low effort when they were on the field. Then we got to hear from their parents about how great they were as freshmen and that if we had used them right we would have won infinitely more games...
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 5, 2017 13:55:07 GMT -6
Last school I was at, we had a pretty large group of kids that would play as freshmen but quit as soph only to come back as jrs or srs. Shockingly, most of them never caught back up. Had the same thing last year. Kids played as freshmen and were successful; then decided to play baseball year round and didn't come back out for football until their senior year. Didn't know the offense, didn't want to play defense, got mad when they didn't start at "their" position, then showed very low effort when they were on the field. Then we got to hear from their parents about how great they were as freshmen and that if we had used them right we would have won infinitely more games... "Play the seniors!!" Have gotten that yelled at me a few times in my career in usually the most redneck voice ever.
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Post by seabass on Jun 5, 2017 15:41:52 GMT -6
I understand the baseball deal pretty well. I'm in it right now with my youngest son who is in 8th grade and playing select travel ball. Most teams only carry 10-11 players because no parent wants to pay that kind of money and travel to watch their kid ride the bench. It puts coaches at a big disadvantage at times because one of their best tools (the bench) gets left in the shop. There are a host of other drawbacks to the model but it's the most popular model for kids who are really serious about baseball. I'm not certain I would let my kid do it again knowing what I know now.
I love that phrase he used, "work while you wait". He's just telling kids that they have to work harder if they aren't getting what they want at the moment. As many of you have already stated, kids want it now. There are very few who really embrace or appreciate the value in the struggle.
The whiteboard in my home gym says, "be so f****** good they can't tell you NO!" That's just my way of reminding my 2 boys, if you don't like being a #2, fix it. Don't blame a coach for your shortfalls.
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Post by gccwolverine on Jun 5, 2017 16:36:33 GMT -6
Baseball is the worst because there are no physical prototypes. That doesn't mean that we're not going to get a daddy who thinks that the 180 lb. lineman or the pudgy, 5.2 TB would be headed to Ohio State if we'd just let him show what he can do. Also the lack of free substitution in baseball makes it more pronounced..... There's the bench sit and wait son and work while you sit an wait.
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Post by StraightFlexin on Jun 6, 2017 8:20:57 GMT -6
Damn I am at a High School where there are 3 baseball dads (4 total relatives) coaching their kids. High School Baseball! They are all "Studs" but have only won about 5 games out of 25. But hey, next year is their year
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Post by huddlehut on Jun 6, 2017 8:28:52 GMT -6
I understand the baseball deal pretty well. I'm in it right now with my youngest son who is in 8th grade and playing select travel ball. Most teams only carry 10-11 players because no parent wants to pay that kind of money and travel to watch their kid ride the bench. It puts coaches at a big disadvantage at times because one of their best tools (the bench) gets left in the shop. There are a host of other drawbacks to the model but it's the most popular model for kids who are really serious about baseball. I'm not certain I would let my kid do it again knowing what I know now. I love that phrase he used, "work while you wait". He's just telling kids that they have to work harder if they aren't getting what they want at the moment. As many of you have already stated, kids want it now. There are very few who really embrace or appreciate the value in the struggle. The whiteboard in my home gym says, "be so f****** good they can't tell you NO!" That's just my way of reminding my 2 boys, if you don't like being a #2, fix it. Don't blame a coach for your shortfalls. You have two boys and you have written on the whiteboard in your home gym, "Be so f'ing good....?" Now I'm not a prude -and don't mean to be judgmental - but don't you think that might be a bit inappropriate?
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Post by seabass on Jun 6, 2017 12:17:12 GMT -6
I understand the baseball deal pretty well. I'm in it right now with my youngest son who is in 8th grade and playing select travel ball. Most teams only carry 10-11 players because no parent wants to pay that kind of money and travel to watch their kid ride the bench. It puts coaches at a big disadvantage at times because one of their best tools (the bench) gets left in the shop. There are a host of other drawbacks to the model but it's the most popular model for kids who are really serious about baseball. I'm not certain I would let my kid do it again knowing what I know now. I love that phrase he used, "work while you wait". He's just telling kids that they have to work harder if they aren't getting what they want at the moment. As many of you have already stated, kids want it now. There are very few who really embrace or appreciate the value in the struggle. The whiteboard in my home gym says, "be so f****** good they can't tell you NO!" That's just my way of reminding my 2 boys, if you don't like being a #2, fix it. Don't blame a coach for your shortfalls. You have two boys and you have written on the whiteboard in your home gym, "Be so f'ing good....?" Now I'm not a prude -and don't mean to be judgmental - but don't you think that might be a bit inappropriate? I could see how you might think that's inappropriate. I could also see how I don't care about that. I have it written exactly the way I typed it and my boys are in 8/9th grade. They aren't little boys. I rarely swear around them, when I do, they know I'm serious. To me, that statement is serious. Our gym is a place where we get after it and sometimes that means it's a little ugly. The rest of the time they have to behave like they are in school. That's just the way it is. When I'm not coaching I get to listen to parents complain about playing time and positions. Baseball is the worst when it comes to that stuff. I hear kids whine about it as well. My message to my boys is simple and all the kids I coach. If you think you should be z instead of x then you need to leave as little doubt as possible. The work a kid does is the only part he can control, so control that part. I just chose to define it the way I did.
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Post by natenator on Jun 6, 2017 14:02:38 GMT -6
I understand the baseball deal pretty well. I'm in it right now with my youngest son who is in 8th grade and playing select travel ball. Most teams only carry 10-11 players because no parent wants to pay that kind of money and travel to watch their kid ride the bench. It puts coaches at a big disadvantage at times because one of their best tools (the bench) gets left in the shop. There are a host of other drawbacks to the model but it's the most popular model for kids who are really serious about baseball. I'm not certain I would let my kid do it again knowing what I know now. I love that phrase he used, "work while you wait". He's just telling kids that they have to work harder if they aren't getting what they want at the moment. As many of you have already stated, kids want it now. There are very few who really embrace or appreciate the value in the struggle. The whiteboard in my home gym says, "be so f****** good they can't tell you NO!" That's just my way of reminding my 2 boys, if you don't like being a #2, fix it. Don't blame a coach for your shortfalls. You have two boys and you have written on the whiteboard in your home gym, "Be so f'ing good....?" Now I'm not a prude -and don't mean to be judgmental - but don't you think that might be a bit inappropriate? You sound like my {censored} parents who get upset when their little snowflake hears the word f#$! Out of a coach meanwhile their spawn is talking about snuff films in the lockerroom
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Post by rudyrude9 on Jun 6, 2017 14:54:04 GMT -6
I understand the baseball deal pretty well. I'm in it right now with my youngest son who is in 8th grade and playing select travel ball. Most teams only carry 10-11 players because no parent wants to pay that kind of money and travel to watch their kid ride the bench. It puts coaches at a big disadvantage at times because one of their best tools (the bench) gets left in the shop. There are a host of other drawbacks to the model but it's the most popular model for kids who are really serious about baseball. I'm not certain I would let my kid do it again knowing what I know now. I love that phrase he used, "work while you wait". He's just telling kids that they have to work harder if they aren't getting what they want at the moment. As many of you have already stated, kids want it now. There are very few who really embrace or appreciate the value in the struggle. The whiteboard in my home gym says, "be so f****** good they can't tell you NO!" That's just my way of reminding my 2 boys, if you don't like being a #2, fix it. Don't blame a coach for your shortfalls. You have two boys and you have written on the whiteboard in your home gym, "Be so f'ing good....?" Now I'm not a prude -and don't mean to be judgmental - but don't you think that might be a bit inappropriate? You liked your own post. Might that be a bit inappropriate?
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Post by Chris Clement on Jun 6, 2017 15:22:56 GMT -6
I dunno, never mind the language-if I read that in the headspace of a 15 year old boy it sounds really rapey.
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Post by 54695469 on Jun 6, 2017 17:55:39 GMT -6
You have two boys and you have written on the whiteboard in your home gym, "Be so f'ing good....?" Now I'm not a prude -and don't mean to be judgmental - but don't you think that might be a bit inappropriate? You sound like my {censored} parents who get upset when their little snowflake hears the word f#$! Out of a coach meanwhile their spawn is talking about snuff films in the lockerroom So, set expectations to the lowest level, huh?
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Post by irishdog on Jun 7, 2017 9:22:55 GMT -6
Wow.
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Post by coachgrim on Jun 9, 2017 10:54:23 GMT -6
Its not just a sports thing, but a life thing. I'm 31 and run into it so much with people my age and younger. There are no lessons in failure, only that you are a loser. Constructive criticism doesn't exist or gets dismissed as overly biased opinion. People want to win. If they don't win, they don't want to participate at all. If you don't succeed, keep trying other things until you find something you are good at. The most rewarding thing for me while taking up football was overcoming my physical deficiencies. Hard yo be explosive if you don't strap up until age 26 and have never trained. Still, coaches put me in because they saw passion and knew I understand the theory. That's backwards from most good athletes they get the physical side and can't cope mentally. I'm not saying you should ignore lids that lose or cut the pizza parties, but the constant instant gratification is what's changing the overall attitude and killing our programs.
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Post by seabass on Jun 9, 2017 11:55:01 GMT -6
There is a lot of value in the struggle but that's pretty anti-intuitive. Kids are not naturally going to embrace that most of the time. The path of least resistance is our nature. If adults don't help them process it they will never recognize it.
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