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Post by badtotheflexbone on Jun 10, 2017 9:56:19 GMT -6
Alternative thoughts here...head coaches are usually the ones that are in charge of all the development of the staff. But they have so much else to do.... A couple of schools in our area have used a mentor system to help out a new head coach or their staff. They ask or hire an older coach, usually retired, to work with their staff. Not always as an on field coach but instead helping their overall organization and planning. They observe practices and attend games. The guy/school that I know did this made a big impact on a young head coach and his staff. Stayed with them long enough to help them build confidence and now the coach and staff are competent. Helped build a practice plan, practice schedule, equipment organization, and philosophy on off field stuff. Other school has a retired HOF coach that is a volunteer that coaches a position and is a sounding board for the HC. He does not coordinate anything and is more of an advisor in game planning. He is a master in teaching and relating to players and is passing that on. This is awesome, thanks for sharing! Definitely thinking outside the box and finding solutions to problems
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2017 5:07:03 GMT -6
Exposing your coaches to different coaching styles is a great way to help develop them, even if it's just to reinforce that what they are doing is correct. If you can find a programme near you that's willing to host and let your guys shadow/observe their coaches then I suggest giving that a shot.
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Post by jlenwood on Jun 11, 2017 6:47:53 GMT -6
Have you ever heard the expression in real estate that you "Make your money when you buy, not when you sell". Well, developing coaches is no different than developing employees, teachers, janitors or whatever profession you want to insert, you get a great coach when you hire them. Before anyone says "no chit", here is what I mean.
Point #1: I have been in on the interview process several times in my career, and without fail I have been able to pick out who was going to be a long term/terrific coach, and at no time did it have anything to do with being an ex-player or school teacher or anything else other than someone who was prepared for anything at the interview, and showed and genuine curiosity for the practice aspect of the game.
For example, we had a guy interview for a D-Line position. Seemed like a good dude and everyone liked him. But what made me vote thumbs down was, when asked about what some of his favorite drills were, he couldn't get up and show us a single drill. That showed me he either A) wasn't prepared B) had stage fright or C) just didn't know any. Every other aspect of his interview was good, but that point stuck out to me. We voted, I lost and we hired him. Turned out just as I thought...good dude but terrible coach and he didn't last.
Point #2: Make sure the guy can coach. Have him get up and talk you through a drill or even have him "coach" you thru how to sharpen a pencil or something. Face it, some cats couldn't coach a person dying of thirst on how to drink water. Identify someone who can coach, and then make them football coach
You have to recruit good, intelligent and curios self driven PEOPLE who in turn are now or can be a great coach. You can teach scheme all day, but if you can't identify someone who can actually coach, then your stuck in the mud forever.
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Post by badtotheflexbone on Jun 11, 2017 9:19:54 GMT -6
Exposing your coaches to different coaching styles is a great way to help develop them, even if it's just to reinforce that what they are doing is correct. If you can find a programme near you that's willing to host and let your guys shadow/observe their coaches then I suggest giving that a shot. Great idea I totally forgot about. There is a great HS around here that I have contacts with and could definitely connect to make this happen. Thanks!
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Post by fkaboneyard on Jun 14, 2017 10:43:18 GMT -6
I completely feel the same way. I will definitely take dudes who are willing to listen regardless of experience. The most experienced rower in the world is no good to the boat if his oar is going a different direction. Had a irritating encounter last weekend. Got invited to a former players graduation. Saw another former player 5 years removed there. His younger brother is a current player of mine. Two way starter on our play off team as a junior. Our senior class was 0-9 as sophs & we made the play offs with them last season. Was very proud of our program. Long story short....this kid coached 2 years of middle school & proceeded to tell me how he wasnt biased at all....but....he felt he had several ideas on how we could better "utilize" his brother. I cut him off immediately & told him flat out that he was irritating me. He apologized & said "I dont want to be that guy coach". I said too late. He was on a conference championship team for us & 2 years of coaching MS already has his head this big? I will definitely take a team player who wants to learn over that garbage. Would never hire him. And that hurts to say about one of my former players but it is what it is I guess. No thoughts of the bigger picture only what is best for his brother who is an above average hs football player. Btw, we are a flexbone team & all his suggestions revolved around implementing his slightly above average receiver brother in the passing game. Meanwhile my QB is a great runner & mediocre passer at best. Give me the team player coach & lets get back to the play offs! That kid is young and if a smart coach got ahold of him now he could maybe get him to understand the facts of life and how the coaching game really works. It would take somebody smart and that has credibility with him, maybe a former coach of his... hint, hint.
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Post by s73 on Jun 15, 2017 16:16:03 GMT -6
I completely feel the same way. I will definitely take dudes who are willing to listen regardless of experience. The most experienced rower in the world is no good to the boat if his oar is going a different direction. Had a irritating encounter last weekend. Got invited to a former players graduation. Saw another former player 5 years removed there. His younger brother is a current player of mine. Two way starter on our play off team as a junior. Our senior class was 0-9 as sophs & we made the play offs with them last season. Was very proud of our program. Long story short....this kid coached 2 years of middle school & proceeded to tell me how he wasnt biased at all....but....he felt he had several ideas on how we could better "utilize" his brother. I cut him off immediately & told him flat out that he was irritating me. He apologized & said "I dont want to be that guy coach". I said too late. He was on a conference championship team for us & 2 years of coaching MS already has his head this big? I will definitely take a team player who wants to learn over that garbage. Would never hire him. And that hurts to say about one of my former players but it is what it is I guess. No thoughts of the bigger picture only what is best for his brother who is an above average hs football player. Btw, we are a flexbone team & all his suggestions revolved around implementing his slightly above average receiver brother in the passing game. Meanwhile my QB is a great runner & mediocre passer at best. Give me the team player coach & lets get back to the play offs! That kid is young and if a smart coach got ahold of him now he could maybe get him to understand the facts of life and how the coaching game really works. It would take somebody smart and that has credibility with him, maybe a former coach of his... hint, hint. Perhaps. But he is still in college quite a ways from here. So, probably won't be seeing him anytime soon. I think a smart coach that gets a hold of him needs to be his direct superior and lay it down for him. I hope that happens. I think he's passionate. Just young.
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Post by tippecanoe41 on Jun 28, 2017 22:26:10 GMT -6
We talk a lot about developing schemes, players, etc. What are you go to points for developing coaches? Do great assistant coaches an innate ability to be great or can it be developed? Thoughts? I've thought about coaching coaches just like I would my players but then I figured they might just become clones of me (which might be a good thing!) I try to avoid the the good ol' "I don't like to be micro-managed", well then my thoughts are "Well what's the alternative then? You do whatever you want with no knowledge of what you're teaching?" I definitely think that assistant coaches can be developed. One of the coaches I respect most in the world is a guy who only played just a few games of high school football and appeared a few times in a Varsity game on special teams. This was because of injuries, etc. But he loved football. When He came to the school I met him at, he told the head coach that he just wanted to be a part of the team and he would coach whatever position he wanted him to coach but he just needed to be taught how DE's should play or LB's or WR's etc. He's now coached nearly every position at that school, and after 8 years in the program, because he was just a sponge for knowledge, he became the defensive coordinator and a few years after he became DC the school had a 4 year stretch where they were within the top 40 in the state (all classes) for points given up average for the season. On the other side, I once knew a guy who was the OC for a state championship football team, and then later in life he became the head coach of the volleyball team at the school when they had a hard time finding someone who wanted the job and led them to some great things. I once asked his son how he was able to know both. He said that he really didn't know volleyball, but he was just great at working with kids and he talked to as many people as possible about techniques, skills, etc. in volleyball, so it worked out.
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Post by badtotheflexbone on Jun 28, 2017 23:57:25 GMT -6
We talk a lot about developing schemes, players, etc. What are you go to points for developing coaches? Do great assistant coaches an innate ability to be great or can it be developed? Thoughts? I've thought about coaching coaches just like I would my players but then I figured they might just become clones of me (which might be a good thing!) I try to avoid the the good ol' "I don't like to be micro-managed", well then my thoughts are "Well what's the alternative then? You do whatever you want with no knowledge of what you're teaching?" I definitely think that assistant coaches can be developed. One of the coaches I respect most in the world is a guy who only played just a few games of high school football and appeared a few times in a Varsity game on special teams. This was because of injuries, etc. But he loved football. When He came to the school I met him at, he told the head coach that he just wanted to be a part of the team and he would coach whatever position he wanted him to coach but he just needed to be taught how DE's should play or LB's or WR's etc. He's now coached nearly every position at that school, and after 8 years in the program, because he was just a sponge for knowledge, he became the defensive coordinator and a few years after he became DC the school had a 4 year stretch where they were within the top 40 in the state (all classes) for points given up average for the season. On the other side, I once knew a guy who was the OC for a state championship football team, and then later in life he became the head coach of the volleyball team at the school when they had a hard time finding someone who wanted the job and led them to some great things. I once asked his son how he was able to know both. He said that he really didn't know volleyball, but he was just great at working with kids and he talked to as many people as possible about techniques, skills, etc. in volleyball, so it worked out. Great story but I think the guys you're describing is the exception, not the norm
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Post by coachwoodall on Jun 29, 2017 18:30:49 GMT -6
I definitely think that assistant coaches can be developed. One of the coaches I respect most in the world is a guy who only played just a few games of high school football and appeared a few times in a Varsity game on special teams. This was because of injuries, etc. But he loved football. When He came to the school I met him at, he told the head coach that he just wanted to be a part of the team and he would coach whatever position he wanted him to coach but he just needed to be taught how DE's should play or LB's or WR's etc. He's now coached nearly every position at that school, and after 8 years in the program, because he was just a sponge for knowledge, he became the defensive coordinator and a few years after he became DC the school had a 4 year stretch where they were within the top 40 in the state (all classes) for points given up average for the season. On the other side, I once knew a guy who was the OC for a state championship football team, and then later in life he became the head coach of the volleyball team at the school when they had a hard time finding someone who wanted the job and led them to some great things. I once asked his son how he was able to know both. He said that he really didn't know volleyball, but he was just great at working with kids and he talked to as many people as possible about techniques, skills, etc. in volleyball, so it worked out. Great story but I think the guys you're describing is the exception, not the norm I have to disagree. I've worked with a bunch of coaches that were great XXX coaches and went to another sport and excelled, because they were great at coaching period
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Post by badtotheflexbone on Jun 29, 2017 20:55:12 GMT -6
I wasn't referring to coaches being great at one sport and then also excelling at another sport. At the end of the day, a great coach is a great teacher, if you give him/her a different sport it is just like teaching a different subject. He or she will be great at teaching it.
My comment was regarding for every great coach (thirst of for knowledge, hungry/passionate, work well with kids), there are hundreds that are not so "great"
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