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Post by jgordon1 on May 20, 2017 20:20:47 GMT -6
Not sure how it is in the rest of the country but in VA we are allowed to wear helmets during 7v7. Some tournaments wear them some don't...we were at a 7v7 today where the helmets were mandatory but a couple of teams showed up w/o them forcing us to play w/o our helmets for which we have never practiced.. Why would anyone choose not to wear a helmets if they could?
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Post by **** on May 20, 2017 20:33:04 GMT -6
In MO it seems like the unwritten rule is that if you're showing up just for 7v7 you don't wear helmets. If you are showing up for some sort of camp and they start with 7v7 everyone wears helmets and then will pad up when they move into IRG/Team.
If it was mandatory at the scrimmage/camp/whatever and they didn't have their chit together then they should've left.
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Post by agap on May 20, 2017 23:17:00 GMT -6
It depends. In some tournaments/leagues, we have to wear helmets. In others, we don't.
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Post by jgordon1 on May 20, 2017 23:56:50 GMT -6
I guess my question is what would you prefer??? I like wearing helmets. I think it is a safer and also promotes better habits (not that 7v7 is a virtue of good habits)
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Post by realdawg on May 21, 2017 4:59:03 GMT -6
Around here everyone wears them. I think wearing them is a good idea. Two kids go up for a ball and in hit heads in the process-wouldnt you want them to have a helmet on?
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Post by coachklee on May 21, 2017 5:44:52 GMT -6
Weird things happen when two kids go for a ball. Probably worse than colliding heads is coming to the ground after a jump ball because to secure the catch, a receiver or defender typically keeps two hands on the ball. Nothing worse than a kid slamming their head on the ground...especially when you are on the 3rd or 4th 7-on-7 field.
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Post by blb on May 21, 2017 6:10:03 GMT -6
Why would anyone choose not to wear helmets if they could?
Coach(es) too lazy to issue them in Off-Season?
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Post by ncfbcoach on May 21, 2017 6:28:08 GMT -6
Not sure how it is in the rest of the country but in VA we are allowed to wear helmets during 7v7. Some tournaments wear them some don't...we were at a 7v7 today where the helmets were mandatory but a couple of teams showed up w/o them forcing us to play w/o our helmets for which we have never practiced.. Why would anyone choose not to wear a helmets if they could? I prefer to use helmets in 7on7 for the protection aspect, in addition to the practice of tracking the ball through a face mask and etc. The only pro I've heard regarding not wearing helmets during 7on7 is that guys tend to be more aggressive about hitting each other when their helmets on. So maybe you can dial back the aggressiveness when you go without. Not necessarily my opinion but an opinion I've heard discussed. My real issue with this is Post is that it seems more and more common to "punish" the people who follow instructions and do as they instructed. You have practiced in your helmets and showed up with them as the rules stated. Then you have to change on the day of competition to enable the guys who couldn't read the rules or decided to ignore them.
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Post by jgordon1 on May 21, 2017 6:43:35 GMT -6
Why would anyone choose not to wear helmets if they could?
Coach(es) too lazy to issue them in Off-Season?
I was thinking that or maybe they were still being reconditioned for some reason..the other thing I was thinking was that thinking was that maybe it would give their team some sort of an advantage as they always practice that way..our db's didn't go for the ball as hard giving the Off the advantage. The reason I say that is the team that beat us 2x (no one else did) was very well coached and unlikely the coach was lazy or maybe they were just better
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Post by blb on May 21, 2017 6:48:55 GMT -6
Besides the safety issue, you're going to wear helmets in games, so why not wear them in 7-on-7?
Bad enough have to play these faux "games" in your underwear, at least wear headgear.
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Post by bullsvp on May 21, 2017 13:00:59 GMT -6
In Louisville, KY we wear them, have been at tourneys where out of state teams didn't have them and had to go without for a game. We were told at the time that their home state didn't allow helmet use during that time. We quit going to the big tourneys at Univeristy of Louisville & Kentucky and go to smaller ones at other high schools, so don't see out of state schools anymore except for teams from just across the river in Southern Indiana.
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Post by fantom on May 21, 2017 13:41:25 GMT -6
I don't like wearing helmets doing 7 on 7. I think that they make kids overaggressive and think that the helmets increase the chances of an injury when unpadded bodies run into a bowling ball (Pet peeve: coaches who get overly competitive and hoot and holler when their kid lays somebody out).
Also, it's hot. That may not be an issue in a two team 7 on 7 but tournaments are held in the summer and around here they seem to be held only in places with little or no shade (Pro tip: Get there early enough to claim a good camp site).
Concerning not issuing helmets yet: We're doing an off-season points program with equipment being issued according to accumulated points.
With that said, if the boss wants to wear helmets, we wear helmets. I don't really feel strongly enough to argue about it. I'm much more likely to argue about why we're going in the first place.
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Post by 3rdandlong on May 21, 2017 14:24:58 GMT -6
In California you're now allowed to wear helmets during the summer when everyone is having 7 on 7 tournaments. But you do see lots of teams wearing the little scrum caps and I'm still not sure how effective those are. They seem like a way for some companies to get rich in the name of safety and coaches can use them to CYA
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Post by adawg2302 on May 21, 2017 15:03:20 GMT -6
I would prefer to wear helmets. Used to be allowed, not anymore.
I actually noticed that players were more "careful" (avoiding collisions, laying opponents, etc...) wearing helmets than when not wearing them.
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Post by hsrose on May 21, 2017 15:19:52 GMT -6
NorCal - We lost a kid a few years ago when one player knocked another player into the 3rd player. Took a forehead to his cheekbone. Broke it, damaged his sinus, knocked out, concussion. An inch or so lower/different angle and he would have lost teeth, an inch higher and it might have been his eye. Going into his Jr. year, ended up with surgery, titanium plate in his cheek, never played sports again. Maybe track. Nobody being over aggressive, just going for a jump ball and it was billiards time.
We can't wear any gear over the summer here in our section so 7x7s's are without helmets. Makes me nervous every time we take the field. I prefer that if we're on the field we're in a helmet. I as my OC not to call meshes/anything crossing so we don't get defenders and receivers going after the ball from opposite directions.
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Post by 44dlcoach on May 21, 2017 15:58:52 GMT -6
I don't particularly like being in helmets for that stuff, but I don't think it's the end of the world if we put them on. We are allowed 1 week in the summer where we can do a padded camp, otherwise no helmets until the official start of the season.
We have 3 days at the start of season where we are allowed helmets only and I hold my breath all through those practices that somebody's face mask is going into the front of somebody's shoulder or something like that. My worry being in helmets only is always that the helmet or face mask will hit a body part that would be padded up in a football game and cause a lingering injury.
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Post by jgordon1 on May 21, 2017 16:07:26 GMT -6
NorCal - We lost a kid a few years ago when one player knocked another player into the 3rd player. Took a forehead to his cheekbone. Broke it, damaged his sinus, knocked out, concussion. An inch or so lower/different angle and he would have lost teeth, an inch higher and it might have been his eye. Going into his Jr. year, ended up with surgery, titanium plate in his cheek, never played sports again. Maybe track. Nobody being over aggressive, just going for a jump ball and it was billiards time. We can't wear any gear over the summer here in our section so 7x7s's are without helmets. Makes me nervous every time we take the field. I prefer that if we're on the field we're in a helmet. I as my OC not to call meshes/anything crossing so we don't get defenders and receivers going after the ball from opposite directions. right, We were at a 7v7 on Sat and the other team runs mesh, they cross in front of my Lb so my guy pushes him and knocks him down...the OC starts going ballistic..seriously yelling..I told him quite loudly don't run the play and your guys won't get knocked down
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Post by tabs52 on May 21, 2017 16:37:13 GMT -6
Not sure how it is in the rest of the country but in VA we are allowed to wear helmets during 7v7. Some tournaments wear them some don't...we were at a 7v7 today where the helmets were mandatory but a couple of teams showed up w/o them forcing us to play w/o our helmets for which we have never practiced.. Why would anyone choose not to wear a helmets if they could? In the past few years in PA we were allowed to wear helmets, and some we actually wore upppers. This year they are changing the rule to where we are not allowed to wear any equipment at all during summer workouts. I feel helmets are important just for protection, those of you who are not allowed to wear helmets how do you take the risk out of these
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Post by fantom on May 21, 2017 16:53:54 GMT -6
Not sure how it is in the rest of the country but in VA we are allowed to wear helmets during 7v7. Some tournaments wear them some don't...we were at a 7v7 today where the helmets were mandatory but a couple of teams showed up w/o them forcing us to play w/o our helmets for which we have never practiced.. Why would anyone choose not to wear a helmets if they could? In the past few years in PA we were allowed to wear helmets, and some we actually wore upppers. This year they are changing the rule to where we are not allowed to wear any equipment at all during summer workouts. I feel helmets are important just for protection, those of you who are not allowed to wear helmets how do you take the risk out of these We tell the guys that 7 on 7 is glorified practice, not real games, and to avoid collisions. We tell them to show effort and mke plays but when in doubt, hold off and don't get hurt. There's plenty of time to get hurt when real football starts.
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Post by tabs52 on May 21, 2017 18:08:38 GMT -6
Believe me we do, we go through all of that with them but you know as well as I do, when the competitive spirit kicks in. Has any gone to flags instead of two hand touch
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Post by dijackson08 on May 21, 2017 22:13:37 GMT -6
I prefer helmets. I've coached in one state that wore them and one that doesn't. I think it's stupid not to wear them. I've had kids get concussion and even had one miss a entire season with a shattered orbital bone in his face because of that stupidity. Most of those injuries could of been avoided with a helmet.
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Post by newhope on May 22, 2017 7:24:34 GMT -6
I haven't allowed any 7 on 7 without helmets in over 10 years. One of our top players broke his jaw. Lesson learned. I have seen one or two teams show up for a 7 on 7 tournament without them. Most people refuse to play them.
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Post by 3rdandlong on May 22, 2017 7:59:19 GMT -6
How many injuries have you seen, however when a helmet goes into a shoulder or other unprotected part of the body?
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Post by groundchuck on May 22, 2017 9:56:12 GMT -6
Here in Minnesota for some you do and others you don't.
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Post by groundchuck on May 22, 2017 9:57:06 GMT -6
How many injuries have you seen, however when a helmet goes into a shoulder or other unprotected part of the body? Very few. I have seen more accidental head to head or head to shoulder without helmets.
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Post by StraightFlexin on May 22, 2017 9:59:03 GMT -6
We host several 7on7's and require teams to have helmets. Last season one team showed up without, we decided to go "helmet-less". One kid took an elbow from a teammate and lost 2 teeth while going after a duck.
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Post by coachddwebb on May 22, 2017 10:46:14 GMT -6
In Az we do not wear helmets in 7 on 7, it is way to hot in the summer. However some teams are going to those soft shells, by Gamebreaker and other companies. Talking to a few coaches and they like them and the kids like them as well.
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Post by funkfriss on May 22, 2017 10:56:07 GMT -6
I don't like wearing helmets doing 7 on 7. I think that they make kids overaggressive and think that the helmets increase the chances of an injury when unpadded bodies run into a bowling ball (Pet peeve: coaches who get overly competitive and hoot and holler when their kid lays somebody out). Also, it's hot. That may not be an issue in a two team 7 on 7 but tournaments are held in the summer and around here they seem to be held only in places with little or no shade (Pro tip: Get there early enough to claim a good camp site). Concerning not issuing helmets yet: We're doing an off-season points program with equipment being issued according to accumulated points. With that said, if the boss wants to wear helmets, we wear helmets. I don't really feel strongly enough to argue about it. I'm much more likely to argue about why we're going in the first place. Never worn helmets for 7-on-7, but this pretty much echoes my thoughts. I'd have to look back (or maybe somebody else can help) but wasn't there research done that showed wearing helmets causes more concussions because of the added weight to the head?
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Post by coachwoodall on May 22, 2017 14:41:58 GMT -6
I haven't allowed any 7 on 7 without helmets in over 10 years. One of our top players broke his jaw. Lesson learned. I have seen one or two teams show up for a 7 on 7 tournament without them. Most people refuse to play them. Eisenhower HS?
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Post by funkfriss on May 23, 2017 8:15:27 GMT -6
I haven't allowed any 7 on 7 without helmets in over 10 years. One of our top players broke his jaw. Lesson learned. I have seen one or two teams show up for a 7 on 7 tournament without them. Most people refuse to play them. To each his own, and I respect your opinion, but I can't get behind this mindset. $h!t happens sometimes. If our 7on7 league wants to go helmets this year, fine, I really don't care that much one way or the other. All I know is it has never been an issue the past 10 years we've been doing it. If the first day two guys are over aggressive and collide resulting in a concussion will I stop doing the 7on7 league? No, $h!t happens. But I might say "I told you so..." And to go all out old man on you I'll throw in, "Back in my day we'd play tackle football (not this paddy cake 7on7 crap) every day with no pads on and nobody EVER got hurt. Hell we'd even play on the pond when it froze over. Now THAT was fun!!"
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