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Post by John Knight on May 17, 2017 12:25:13 GMT -6
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Post by carookie on May 17, 2017 13:15:14 GMT -6
I'll bite-
John Wooden once said, "you cannot have progress without change, but not all change is progress." I would say that not all of these are bad, some of them are actually progress, while others are changes that reflect society as a whole- so no reason to hate football.
Numbers two and three are not progress and just changes in our society which I feel are negative. In regards to number two, I always mock my students for having social media and feeling the constant need to follow other people's lives as well as share every detail of their own. I will often jokingly quote Lil Wayne, "real G's move in silence like lasagna"; and am always glad to enforce the no cell phones in the locker room rule. But fully recognize that its not big brother we have to worry about, everyone will gladly share everything in public as is. In regards to three, I am not sure it is disappearing as the article implies. I get that 'this new generation' has been put down for its constant questioning of authority, but I don't think its any worse than it was when I played 20+ years ago. Moreover, read the posts on here about assistants questioning the HC; it seems to be something that reaches outside just this current crop.
Numbers 4 and 5 are just stupid, if your goal in conditioning is to continue only until someone becomes ill then you need to reevaluate your program, although I recognize this is usually just a saying and in that case its fine to just say. Same goes for number 5 (although as the article clearly states water is beneficial).
I don't know if number 7 has gone away on the sidelines, as much as it has gone away from the media. The NFL had to cover their backsides and got ESPN on board (no more Jacked up segments). But we still teach hitting players hard with the intent of jarring a ball loose, or making them wary, we just have to adjust and reinforce the aiming point as below the shoulders.
Number 1 is a change in the game, and it is both good and bad. As someone who still deals with the effects of multiple bad concussions to this day I am glad we are better understanding the situation. Obviously, the overly litigious society we live in has made it so even the slightest knock is viewed as a concern.
Number 6 is both a change in the game, and a better understanding of outcomes and what leads to wins. It is a change in the game because there are not just the implied three outcomes (incomplete, complete, and interception), rather a fourth: penalty. The preponderance of PI and roughing calls adds on to the offenses ability to move the ball via the pass. Moreover, most coaches recognize that having a quality passer can lead to a lot more yards per play than just running. So even if there were only three possibilities with completion Pct. and Y/Pass where they may the positives of a completion outweigh the negatives of the other two.
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Post by ttp22 on May 17, 2017 13:34:31 GMT -6
I hate old coaches who gripe about "kids these days"
Adjust to change and be optimistic and willing to learn.
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Post by chi5hi on May 17, 2017 14:58:05 GMT -6
I hate old coaches who gripe about "kids these days" Adjust to change and be optimistic and willing to learn. So...old coaches have to learn? Like, how to deal with AC's who are just kids themselves? Some of those old coaches have more time at the Two Minute Offense than others have hours on the commode.
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Post by veerman on May 17, 2017 15:48:30 GMT -6
I don't blame the kids, I blame the parents. I don't think there is a certain way you have to coach either. You just got to be you. Old school and New school styles both are successful.
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Post by fantom on May 17, 2017 17:31:30 GMT -6
The first one, just got your bell rung. Good riddance to the "Good old days" on that one.
2. What's said in the locker room should stay there. Unless it's insane.
3. "Why? I said so" should still be the rule in the heat of battle. Otherwise, I prefer to explain to the kids why we do things. I think that they execute better when they know why.
4.The water thing i crazy.
%. Throwing the ball and knockout shots? Thigs have changed and that's just how it is.
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Post by s73 on May 17, 2017 17:48:00 GMT -6
I hate old coaches who gripe about "kids these days" Adjust to change and be optimistic and willing to learn. I've heard many a young coach in their 20's say the same thing not realizing that they act very similar when I have to have a conversation with them about not fulfilling all of their coaching duties. The reality is kids are asked to do more today then many of us ever were. Hence, we have to realize that even when many of them fall short of our requests they are still doing more then many of us did. JMO.
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Post by Party@QB on May 17, 2017 18:38:25 GMT -6
The first one, just got your bell rung. Good riddance to the "Good old days" on that one. 2. What's said in the locker room should stay there. Unless it's insane. 3. "Why? I said so" should still be the rule in the heat of battle. Otherwise, I prefer to explain to the kids why we do things. I think that they execute better when they know why. 4.The water thing i crazy. %. Throwing the ball and knockout shots? Thigs have changed and that's just how it is. I agree with your #3. I don't mind a player asking why, but in game time do it and we'll talk later. I'll go a step farther. If a player is asking you "why?" And it bothers you do a self check. A. Could you have taught it better to begin with and avoided the confusion. B. Are you bothered because you don't have a good reason and never thought to ask yourself "why are we doing this?" C. Is the player being defiant? I've seen young coaches and old ones deal with this issue. But it's not new. Go watch varsity blues again.
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Post by younggun10 on May 17, 2017 19:27:45 GMT -6
If you can't define the "why" then I believe players should question you. Old school, news school, and everybody in between wants to know why. Yes, more kids now are likely to ask than ever before, but it's not a crime for them to have a voice. Let them ask and give them an answer.
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Post by adawg2302 on May 17, 2017 22:20:03 GMT -6
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Post by Defcord on May 18, 2017 6:39:59 GMT -6
Kids these days are pretty immature and irrational to a point of annoyance. We were the same when we were kids we were just too stupid to realize it.
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Post by funkfriss on May 18, 2017 7:42:41 GMT -6
The first one, just got your bell rung. Good riddance to the "Good old days" on that one. 2. What's said in the locker room should stay there. Unless it's insane. 3. "Why? I said so" should still be the rule in the heat of battle. Otherwise, I prefer to explain to the kids why we do things. I think that they execute better when they know why. 4.The water thing i crazy. %. Throwing the ball and knockout shots? Thigs have changed and that's just how it is. I agree with your #3. I don't mind a player asking why, but in game time do it and we'll talk later. I'll go a step farther. If a player is asking you "why?" And it bothers you do a self check. A. Could you have taught it better to begin with and avoided the confusion. B. Are you bothered because you don't have a good reason and never thought to ask yourself "why are we doing this?" C. Is the player being defiant? I've seen young coaches and old ones deal with this issue. But it's not new. Go watch varsity blues again. While I don't disagree you should have a good reason and be able to articulate why you do something I also think there is something to be said for obedience, loyalty, and respect for authority. I don't have a problem with kids asking why, it's more about time and place or connotation. It's not just during game time, but also practice time when I don't want to sit there and give a dissertation on why it is F***ING important for your inside hand to hit the near number. At that moment, just shut your mouth, do as I say, and if you want to talk about it after practice THEN I'll walk you through why it is important. As for connotation, I don't think asking "Why" is a ons-size-fits-all. There are many ways you can ask why. You get the kid who asks, "Man, why are we running THIS play?" in a snotty voice and see if you just think, "Oh that's cute that you're so curious Johnny."
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Post by Party@QB on May 18, 2017 8:13:17 GMT -6
I agree with your #3. I don't mind a player asking why, but in game time do it and we'll talk later. I'll go a step farther. If a player is asking you "why?" And it bothers you do a self check. A. Could you have taught it better to begin with and avoided the confusion. B. Are you bothered because you don't have a good reason and never thought to ask yourself "why are we doing this?" C. Is the player being defiant? I've seen young coaches and old ones deal with this issue. But it's not new. Go watch varsity blues again. While I don't disagree you should have a good reason and be able to articulate why you do something I also think there is something to be said for obedience, loyalty, and respect for authority. I don't have a problem with kids asking why, it's more about time and place or connotation. It's not just during game time, but also practice time when I don't want to sit there and give a dissertation on why it is F***ING important for your inside hand to hit the near number. At that moment, just shut your mouth, do as I say, and if you want to talk about it after practice THEN I'll walk you through why it is important. As for connotation, I don't think asking "Why" is a ons-size-fits-all. There are many ways you can ask why. You get the kid who asks, "Man, why are we running THIS play?" in a snotty voice and see if you just think, "Oh that's cute that you're so curious Johnny." You seemed to have missed... "C. Is the player being defiant?" But I will say if you have a kid asking you, "why it is important for my inside hand to hit the near number." Then YOU didn't explain it well enough the first time and should focus on being a better teacher than being focused on "how dare this kid questioning me." You and I expect our players to self-critique before they point a finger. And I don't think it's unreasonable for me as a coach to run through a self-critique of myself BEFORE I get to "this player is being defiant and I want to destroy him."
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Post by larrymoe on May 18, 2017 8:28:50 GMT -6
Parents parenting their kids differently have led to their kids acting differently than other times in history = kids are different. It doesn't matter whose fault it its, they act differently.
I can assure you with 90% accuracy, and it's one of the things that sets me off, is that kid that constantly asks why 1, didn't listen when I explained it the first time and 2, probably won't listen the second time. This is a direct result of their parenting, but it is different than other times I have coached- 18 years into it.
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Post by funkfriss on May 18, 2017 8:51:00 GMT -6
While I don't disagree you should have a good reason and be able to articulate why you do something I also think there is something to be said for obedience, loyalty, and respect for authority. I don't have a problem with kids asking why, it's more about time and place or connotation. It's not just during game time, but also practice time when I don't want to sit there and give a dissertation on why it is F***ING important for your inside hand to hit the near number. At that moment, just shut your mouth, do as I say, and if you want to talk about it after practice THEN I'll walk you through why it is important. As for connotation, I don't think asking "Why" is a ons-size-fits-all. There are many ways you can ask why. You get the kid who asks, "Man, why are we running THIS play?" in a snotty voice and see if you just think, "Oh that's cute that you're so curious Johnny." You seemed to have missed... "C. Is the player being defiant?" But I will say if you have a kid asking you, "why it is important for my inside hand to hit the near number." Then YOU didn't explain it well enough the first time and should focus on being a better teacher than being focused on "how dare this kid questioning me." You and I expect our players to self-critique before they point a finger. And I don't think it's unreasonable for me as a coach to run through a self-critique of myself BEFORE I get to "this player is being defiant and I want to destroy him." Couple things here. First, I'm not even talking about defiance. Defiance is disobedience. I'm talking about the brazenness to question the wisdom of a person who has more knowledge, training, and experience. It would be like calling my plumber to replace a leaking pipe and then saying, "Why are you using THAT pipe?" in a questioning way. If a kid wanted to ask, "Why did you call that play" in a way that showed he generally was curious as to what I was thinking and the strategy behind it I'm more than happy to have that conversation.....when the time is right. You'd be a pretty sh***y coach if you responded to that inquiry with, "Because I said so." And you might be 100% correct that if he's asking about his hand placement I may not have explained it well enough, but even so, I have the right as a coach to say, "Not going to discuss it right now, just do it," if I feel that is the proper response at that moment.
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Post by fshamrock on May 18, 2017 8:56:58 GMT -6
larger questions is when exactly did footballscoop become like a million other websites with nothing but clickbait articles and "lists" I used to go to it just for the hype videos and enjoyed the site...but it won't be long until all the headlines say
"Top ten ways to revamp your offense! number 7 will make you SCREAM"
"The ONE tip that defensive coordinators DON'T want you to know"
"GIRLS IN BIKINI'S!!!!!!!"
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Post by larrymoe on May 18, 2017 9:06:24 GMT -6
larger questions is when exactly did footballscoop become like a million other websites with nothing but clickbait articles and "lists" I used to go to it just for the hype videos and enjoyed the site...but it won't be long until all the headlines say "Top ten ways to revamp your offense! number 7 will make you SCREAM" "The ONE tip that defensive coordinators DON'T want you to know" "GIRLS IN BIKINI'S!!!!!!!" When football coaches became more and more like the rest of the idiots on the interwebz?
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Post by Party@QB on May 18, 2017 9:14:11 GMT -6
Couple things here. First, I'm not even talking about defiance. Defiance is disobedience. I'm talking about the brazenness to question the wisdom of a person who has more knowledge, training, and experience. It would be like calling my plumber to replace a leaking pipe and then saying, "Why are you using THAT pipe?" in a questioning way. If a kid wanted to ask, "Why did you call that play" in a way that showed he generally was curious as to what I was thinking and the strategy behind it I'm more than happy to have that conversation.....when the time is right. You'd be a pretty sh***y coach if you responded to that inquiry with, "Because I said so." And you might be 100% correct that if he's asking about his hand placement I may not have explained it well enough, but even so, I have the right as a coach to say, "Not going to discuss it right now, just do it," if I feel that is the proper response at that moment. I agree with there is a time for discussion and a time to put to action. I definitely have no problem putting a turd in his place. But, I want players to ask me all the questions they have before a game, and I witnessed the coach who screamed and ranted at any and all questions, which made players too afraid to ask, even when they were genuinely confused. This resulted into major busted plays on Friday nights, which sent him into hulk-rage and players even further into fear. I will not find myself in that cycle.
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Post by fantom on May 18, 2017 10:12:56 GMT -6
Couple things here. First, I'm not even talking about defiance. Defiance is disobedience. I'm talking about the brazenness to question the wisdom of a person who has more knowledge, training, and experience. It would be like calling my plumber to replace a leaking pipe and then saying, "Why are you using THAT pipe?" in a questioning way. If a kid wanted to ask, "Why did you call that play" in a way that showed he generally was curious as to what I was thinking and the strategy behind it I'm more than happy to have that conversation.....when the time is right. You'd be a pretty sh***y coach if you responded to that inquiry with, "Because I said so." And you might be 100% correct that if he's asking about his hand placement I may not have explained it well enough, but even so, I have the right as a coach to say, "Not going to discuss it right now, just do it," if I feel that is the proper response at that moment. I agree with there is a time for discussion and a time to put to action. I definitely have no problem putting a turd in his place. But, I want players to ask me all the questions they have before a game, and I witnessed the coach who screamed and ranted at any and all questions, which made players too afraid to ask, even when they were genuinely confused. This resulted into major busted plays on Friday nights, which sent him into hulk-rage and players even further into fear. I will not find myself in that cycle. It can get me banging my head against the wall, though. I'm thinking about the time that our RT, a 3 year starter at the position, asked, during our Thursday walk-through for the 10th game of the year, against-mind you- a team whose defense was exactly like ours, "What do I do on 26 Power?".
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Post by fkaboneyard on May 18, 2017 10:45:09 GMT -6
As to kids asking questions, I've noticed that "kids these days" just don't watch as much football and have a much more limited understanding of the fundamentals than they did many years ago. Typically, our kids don't ask questions because they don't want to look like a dunce in front of the other players. When I explain a drill or concept and ask if there are questions I usually just get a bunch of kids shaking their head "no". It's to the point now that I pick out a couple kids and ask, "Okay, why are we doing this?" or "Why do we do it this way?" It has helped tremendously.
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Post by 3rdandlong on May 18, 2017 11:39:41 GMT -6
We all know there are certain weaknesses to specific plays on offense or blitzes/coverages on defense. There are certain times we get caught in the wrong call. I know there have been times where a kid asks "what happens if...." and I know the only good response is: "They caught us in the wrong call. You guys will play hard and try to make the best of it & we'll play the next down."
A great example is when our defense blitzed what seemed like 18 guys off the field side edge when we ran naked boot right into all of those blitzers at practice yesterday. Not a good call against that.
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Post by larrymoe on May 18, 2017 12:10:41 GMT -6
As to kids asking questions, I've noticed that "kids these days" just don't watch as much football and have a much more limited understanding of the fundamentals than they did many years ago. Typically, our kids don't ask questions because they don't want to look like a dunce in front of the other players. When I explain a drill or concept and ask if there are questions I usually just get a bunch of kids shaking their head "no". It's to the point now that I pick out a couple kids and ask, "Okay, why are we doing this?" or "Why do we do it this way?" It has helped tremendously. I think a fundamental difference in kids today vs kids I coached even 5-10 years ago is the kids I deal with more now have zero interest in figuring anything out. You used to be able to tell a kid to do something and they would eventually figure it out if you didn't have time to full on explain it at the time. Today it seems like more and more they want you to hand them the answer (if they listen at all) rather than thinking about it and finding it out. Which drives me insane because I've always been a guy that tries to figure EVERYTHING out by myself.
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Post by funkfriss on May 18, 2017 12:15:12 GMT -6
We all know there are certain weaknesses to specific plays on offense or blitzes/coverages on defense. There are certain times we get caught in the wrong call. I know there have been times where a kid asks "what happens if...." and I know the only good response is: "They caught us in the wrong call. You guys will play hard and try to make the best of it & we'll play the next down." A great example is when our defense blitzed what seemed like 18 guys off the field side edge when we ran naked boot right into all of those blitzers at practice yesterday. Not a good call against that. I say, "They made a Tecmo Bowl call!" and then kids give me a sideways look and I remember I'm old....
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Post by coachthomason on May 18, 2017 12:39:16 GMT -6
I think one of the biggest fallacies in life is that things were great in the "good olΓ© days." As a student of history I can assure you they were not. Things seemed better when you were younger because you most likely were not paying attention to the world when you were a kid.
Kids are different from when you grew up because society has moved on from when you grew up. It's only natural. I ask my students all the time if they have ever hear; "your generation is disrespectful, sloppy, listen to bad/loud music, swear too much, can't dress properly, lazy, can't focus very long, etc., etc..
I then inform them that that has been said about almost every generation of kids that has ever been. I know it was said of my generation.
I feel football is the same. Football is not the same from when it was first introduced. It has changed with the times. Sometimes bad (instant replay at the college and professional levels IMO), sometimes good (recognition of concussions).
Change is the only constant in life. Embrace it.
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Post by larrymoe on May 18, 2017 16:50:44 GMT -6
Change for the worse is not worth embracing. It's enabling.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2017 1:17:49 GMT -6
I hate old coaches who gripe about "kids these days" Adjust to change and be optimistic and willing to learn. So...old coaches have to learn? Β Like, how to deal with AC's who are just kids themselves? Some of those old coaches have more time at the Two Minute Offense than others have hours on the commode. ππππππ
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Post by newhope on May 19, 2017 6:42:39 GMT -6
A former player (actually, it's his picture at the top of the article) sent this to me. I admit to all of them except the water one--I think I always had better sense on that one--but I've gotten a lot wiser there as well. . I also admit to have evolved over the years since he played. Some of it is due to better knowledge on our parts (getting your bell rung), and some of it is changing times. Some things in the article I agree with, a few I don't--but even where I don't, I'm smart enough (hopefully) to keep myself from getting in trouble over them. Any coach today that still subscribes to all 7 or sees all 7 as a "societal issue" is, in my opinion, way off base.
By the way, for those who've been on this board for a while, he is joining the staff with the legendary dcohio.
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Post by gccwolverine on May 19, 2017 7:17:00 GMT -6
As to kids asking questions, I've noticed that "kids these days" just don't watch as much football and have a much more limited understanding of the fundamentals than they did many years ago. Typically, our kids don't ask questions because they don't want to look like a dunce in front of the other players. When I explain a drill or concept and ask if there are questions I usually just get a bunch of kids shaking their head "no". It's to the point now that I pick out a couple kids and ask, "Okay, why are we doing this?" or "Why do we do it this way?" It has helped tremendously. I think a fundamental difference in kids today vs kids I coached even 5-10 years ago is the kids I deal with more now have zero interest in figuring anything out. You used to be able to tell a kid to do something and they would eventually figure it out if you didn't have time to full on explain it at the time. Today it seems like more and more they want you to hand them the answer (if they listen at all) rather than thinking about it and finding it out. Which drives me insane because I've always been a guy that tries to figure EVERYTHING out by myself. Well when we teach them to the test from K-12 can you really be surprised when they've been ingrained to expect to be spoon fed the answers to life?
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Post by wiscohscoach on May 19, 2017 7:21:46 GMT -6
Change for the worse is not worth embracing. It's enabling. Then make an adjustment and figure out a way to accomplish your goals with the kids you get. Sure this generation has fallacies, but that's every single generation that has come through the wire.
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Post by coachmonkey on May 19, 2017 7:38:48 GMT -6
As to kids asking questions, I've noticed that "kids these days" just don't watch as much football and have a much more limited understanding of the fundamentals than they did many years ago. Typically, our kids don't ask questions because they don't want to look like a dunce in front of the other players. When I explain a drill or concept and ask if there are questions I usually just get a bunch of kids shaking their head "no". It's to the point now that I pick out a couple kids and ask, "Okay, why are we doing this?" or "Why do we do it this way?" It has helped tremendously. I think a fundamental difference in kids today vs kids I coached even 5-10 years ago is the kids I deal with more now have zero interest in figuring anything out. You used to be able to tell a kid to do something and they would eventually figure it out if you didn't have time to full on explain it at the time. Today it seems like more and more they want you to hand them the answer (if they listen at all) rather than thinking about it and finding it out. Which drives me insane because I've always been a guy that tries to figure EVERYTHING out by myself. Build this into practice. We do it. 4 plays from a certain part of the field and offense can run anything they want and zero coaching during this 2 minute segment. We stack the cards against them to see how they respond. This actually helped us in a game as a team came out in a crazy formation that our kids repped something similar in this period and we didn't even call time out. They ran 3 plays and ended with negative yards.
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