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Post by s73 on Jul 1, 2017 10:09:36 GMT -6
While I understand the thought processes given here by those supporting less than a full padded practice, I don't understand the logic. klaby says So I have to ask, is the objective here to have the kids practice in a more timid manner? Don't wear hip/tail/thigh pads so that the players practice slower? I guess I don't see the connection between what you wear, and how you practice. Why does wearing full gear seem to mean players must be taken to the ground? Seems much more logical to me that if the desired result is a healthier team, the best way to achieve that would be to wear protective gear and teach kids how to properly practice at your desired tempo/desired finishing method (take down, thud, tag, etc). Why risk increased chances banging knees, hip pointers, thigh contusions, bruised tailbones etc? s73 mentions that practicing in uppers only is "throwing the kids a bone" because for whatever reason, it is easier on the kids. Or maybe more accurately the kids perceive it to be easier. Doesn't the logic then follow that you are setting up the game situation to be more difficult? While temperature might be one factor, I do believe another is having to move your body with the added burden of the padding. Is introducing that on game night a best practice? Like I said in my earlier post, we have not seen any strong correlation either way. And it gets the kids on the field quicker and they seem to appreciate not always having to wear all the gear which tends to improve morale. But, I cannot say it helps us or hurts us either way based on the past 7 seasons.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 1, 2017 12:50:28 GMT -6
While I understand the thought processes given here by those supporting less than a full padded practice, I don't understand the logic. klaby says So I have to ask, is the objective here to have the kids practice in a more timid manner? Don't wear hip/tail/thigh pads so that the players practice slower? I guess I don't see the connection between what you wear, and how you practice. Why does wearing full gear seem to mean players must be taken to the ground? Seems much more logical to me that if the desired result is a healthier team, the best way to achieve that would be to wear protective gear and teach kids how to properly practice at your desired tempo/desired finishing method (take down, thud, tag, etc). Why risk increased chances banging knees, hip pointers, thigh contusions, bruised tailbones etc? s73 mentions that practicing in uppers only is "throwing the kids a bone" because for whatever reason, it is easier on the kids. Or maybe more accurately the kids perceive it to be easier. Doesn't the logic then follow that you are setting up the game situation to be more difficult? While temperature might be one factor, I do believe another is having to move your body with the added burden of the padding. Is introducing that on game night a best practice? Like I said in my earlier post, we have not seen any strong correlation either way. And it gets the kids on the field quicker and they seem to appreciate not always having to wear all the gear which tends to improve morale. But, I cannot say it helps us or hurts us either way based on the past 7 seasons. Coach, while I understand what you are saying here regarding their moral and the dressing time, I have to ask how will you and the staff feel (I don't recall if you mentioned if you were the HC or not) if you happen to lose a kid to a hip pointer, or a thigh contusion, or a strawberry or whatever that may have been prevented from wearing pants and the accompanying pads?
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Post by s73 on Jul 1, 2017 18:37:34 GMT -6
Like I said in my earlier post, we have not seen any strong correlation either way. And it gets the kids on the field quicker and they seem to appreciate not always having to wear all the gear which tends to improve morale. But, I cannot say it helps us or hurts us either way based on the past 7 seasons. Coach, while I understand what you are saying here regarding their moral and the dressing time, I have to ask how will you and the staff feel (I don't recall if you mentioned if you were the HC or not) if you happen to lose a kid to a hip pointer, or a thigh contusion, or a strawberry or whatever that may have been prevented from wearing pants and the accompanying pads? I understand what you are saying. They wear girdles with the accompanying thigh pads & we work REALLY hard to keep guys off the ground. Small school with not many kids & usually multiple (7 or so) guys playing both ways. So we really have to be careful about how we practice. IN OUR SITUATION, we feel we perform better on Fridays when our kids feel fresh and healthy. Again, may or may not be the case but our results are usually either what we expected or occasionally a hair better. PS - Our girdles have thigh & tail pads attached.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 1, 2017 18:45:24 GMT -6
Coach, while I understand what you are saying here regarding their moral and the dressing time, I have to ask how will you and the staff feel (I don't recall if you mentioned if you were the HC or not) if you happen to lose a kid to a hip pointer, or a thigh contusion, or a strawberry or whatever that may have been prevented from wearing pants and the accompanying pads? I understand what you are saying. They wear girdles with the accompanying thigh pads & we work REALLY hard to keep guys off the ground. Small school with not many kids & usually multiple (7 or so) guys playing both ways. So we really have to be careful about how we practice. IN OUR SITUATION, we feel we perform better on Fridays when our kids feel fresh and healthy. Again, may or may not be the case but our results are usually either what we expected or occasionally a hair better. PS - Our girdles have thigh & tail pads attached. Thigh and Tail...but not hip?
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Post by s73 on Jul 1, 2017 18:52:43 GMT -6
Yes, hip. All pads except knees.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 1, 2017 19:24:54 GMT -6
Yes, hip. All pads except knees. Gotcha. So you guys wear everything but knees. Others wear volleyball knee pads with hips and tails but no thighs it seems, some wear knees, thights, hips tail but no pants... Again, not knocking anything, but just don't follow the logic of trying to keep teams healthy by wearing less protective equipment.
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Post by coachdawhip on Jul 5, 2017 21:06:35 GMT -6
We go Shells and girdles and never tackle to the ground.
We have had less injuries
Now I am not saying this is the reason why.
Now in spring football we go full pads as much as possible during the season no.
If you are going to do this. You must have a SERIOUS LOAF policy and hold them to it, ESPECIALLY in practice. Filming practice would be a plus.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 14:11:03 GMT -6
Considering going no full padded practices after week one. Shells and nothing to the ground. Thoughts or experiences? Thanks! We did that at a school I was at a few years ago. It was good to us. We were shells only Mon.-Thurs for the whole season (light contact on Mon. and no contact on Thurs.) after about a week of full pads, plus scrimmages, in the preseason. We had few injuries in practice, none related to the lack of thigh or knee pads, and were very physical because of our weightroom and 5 minutes of weekly team board drills. I'm a fan based on that experience. We tried that at the next school I coached at because the HC liked the idea of less laundry to do, but there he wasn't quick enough with the whistle and we didn't instill the discipline and form necessary to block and tackle without taking out opponent's legs (we had a couple of geniuses who would just launch themselves at knees in team), nor were our players tough enough to play through minor thigh and knee bruises. It wasn't a disaster, but it could have been done better. Again... shells with this moderate contact and a quick whistle was what we did. We'd do board drills, tackling drills, inside run, team, etc. A few kids would wear their girdles under their shorts. I think some people think that you can't have any contact without full pads and that screws things up.
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