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Post by funkfriss on Apr 28, 2017 13:34:34 GMT -6
We're looking at taking time over the summer (30-45 minutes a week) to have classroom time where we teach our players about football. Rules, Coverages, Strategy (including formations, motions, leverage, splits), etc. Has anybody ever done this before? Any suggestions?
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Post by **** on Apr 28, 2017 13:39:06 GMT -6
I'll do this on rainy days. Just kind of depends at what point in the summer it is and how much stuff we have in.
I have a generic slide show with basic run plays and formations that I can show the kids. Usually I just draw on a white board though because I don't want to take the time to get a projector.
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Post by BrendanQB on Apr 28, 2017 15:46:20 GMT -6
I've never done this (I'm not the HC), but I've always wanted to incorporate it into our program on a consistent basis. Like one classroom day a week during spring and summer just to do what you're saying: teach the game.
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Post by Coach Bennett on Apr 29, 2017 5:45:09 GMT -6
In the summer we always whiteboard whatever we are going to install that evening. In-season, we start our Monday-Wednesday practices in the classroom using diagrams, film and props to install/teach concepts, technique, etc.
The bigger net coaches can cast in reaching different learning styles the more success athletes experience.
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Post by joker31 on Apr 29, 2017 16:42:48 GMT -6
We're looking at taking time over the summer (30-45 minutes a week) to have classroom time where we teach our players about football. Rules, Coverages, Strategy (including formations, motions, leverage, splits), etc. Has anybody ever done this before? Any suggestions? Teaching newer players or players with experience?
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Post by fugulookinat on Apr 29, 2017 22:27:38 GMT -6
We do it every spring, and at the beginning of the season, with every player. It's really common for coaches to speak beyond their players knowledge level. It's like telling a player to go "inside" of the guard, or "underneath " the puller, or what a "puller" is? If you haven't taken the time to teach them the verbiage of football, then there's a good chance that they will get confused. They generally won't ask a question either for fear of looking stupid.
I started what we call Football 101 five years ago. We were awful, hadn't made the playoffs in over 10 seasons; we just made the playoffs for the fourth consecutive year. The very first thing I did was give the kids a diagram of a regulation Football field with an offense and defense, an a pencil. I had the ball on the offenses right hash. I asked them several questions about the diagram. I told them that the offense was running the ball to the field and was throwing the ball to the boundary. I told them to draw a circle where they were running and draw an X where they were throwing. Guess what happened? About 1/4 of the kids in the room didn't know what "Field and Boundary " were??? We assumed that everyone knew field and boundary? As coaches, we speak a foreign language to the players at times, they simply haven't been taught the language of football and if we don't take the time to teach them we will never be able to effectively communicate with them. Football 101 has totally changed our program. If you're not doing it, you're gonna get burned.
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Post by blastdouble on Apr 30, 2017 0:38:02 GMT -6
We're looking at taking time over the summer (30-45 minutes a week) to have classroom time where we teach our players about football. Rules, Coverages, Strategy (including formations, motions, leverage, splits), etc. Has anybody ever done this before? Any suggestions? My State doesn't have an athletics period however my district has a 40 minute period called "advisory" 4 days a week. The advisory is intrest based so i have about 2/3 of our football player in my room during this time. During the season we use this as a film session. this offseason i've Started using this time to do some things I've always wanted to with our players off the field. Mondays = "Thank God its Monday" - We watch one of Eric thomas motivational episode on youtube and discuss the concepts. He the guy that gives the " you gotta want it as bad as you want to breath" speech. Kids eat it up and its been great. Tues/Thurs = "Football School" - we go through portions of our playbook play by play. I talk through the blocking schemes, pass pro, nomenclature. Its been great and well recieved by the kids. I give little quizzes over formations, alighnments etc... I'm not sure how much retention there is but the goal is really just to have the kids thinking about football year round. Offensively, I'm hoping it will give our back a clearer picture of whats going on up front. Defensively i'm hoping to get the kids a better understanding of our coverages and how everything ties in. Fridays= "Character Day" - I use some of the character building lessons from the football journey series or we do what i call life skills. last week i taught them how to tie a tie and how to properly shake hands and introduce yourself. Its been great so far, at first i tried to do the football school everyday but i could tell i was overloading the kids, plus adding in the other days help let em know that we care about them as people. Only crappy thing is that the district is talking about taking away the advisory period cause the regular teachers view it as a waste of time.
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Post by chi5hi on Apr 30, 2017 6:51:33 GMT -6
We're looking at taking time over the summer (30-45 minutes a week) to have classroom time where we teach our players about football. Rules, Coverages, Strategy (including formations, motions, leverage, splits), etc. Has anybody ever done this before? Any suggestions? The big thing, IMHO, is describing the differences between NCAA rules and Federation rules. We spend a little time doing that, not much more. Insofar as teaching "football"...strategies, coverages etc, I suggest you limit that to what you're doing. High School kids don't want another class to study. They'd rather get out on the field and run around, play, and have fun. If you start classes of 30-45 minutes a week...eventually followed by a written test (which I can almost guarantee will come) the kids will think you're cutting in to their "fun" time and turn you off.
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Post by funkfriss on Apr 30, 2017 8:33:51 GMT -6
We're looking at taking time over the summer (30-45 minutes a week) to have classroom time where we teach our players about football. Rules, Coverages, Strategy (including formations, motions, leverage, splits), etc. Has anybody ever done this before? Any suggestions? Teaching newer players or players with experience? This would be for all Varsity players
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Post by funkfriss on Apr 30, 2017 8:37:21 GMT -6
We're looking at taking time over the summer (30-45 minutes a week) to have classroom time where we teach our players about football. Rules, Coverages, Strategy (including formations, motions, leverage, splits), etc. Has anybody ever done this before? Any suggestions? The big thing, IMHO, is describing the differences between NCAA rules and Federation rules. We spend a little time doing that, not much more. Insofar as teaching "football"...strategies, coverages etc, I suggest you limit that to what you're doing. High School kids don't want another class to study. They'd rather get out on the field and run around, play, and have fun. If you start classes of 30-45 minutes a week...eventually followed by a written test (which I can almost guarantee will come) the kids will think you're cutting in to their "fun" time and turn you off. This is part of my worry. I hate to say it, but the school I'm at doesn't have a lot of kids who LOVE football. I'm afraid if they view these times as class then they won't show. I guess that was part of my original question as I was looking for ways to "spice it up." I was thinking about covering one offensive and one defensive topic a day and splicing YouTube videos from NCAA and NFL games to demonstrate. That way it's not just coaches on a whiteboard.
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Post by chi5hi on Apr 30, 2017 9:59:22 GMT -6
The big thing, IMHO, is describing the differences between NCAA rules and Federation rules. We spend a little time doing that, not much more. Insofar as teaching "football"...strategies, coverages etc, I suggest you limit that to what you're doing. High School kids don't want another class to study. They'd rather get out on the field and run around, play, and have fun. If you start classes of 30-45 minutes a week...eventually followed by a written test (which I can almost guarantee will come) the kids will think you're cutting in to their "fun" time and turn you off. This is part of my worry. I hate to say it, but the school I'm at doesn't have a lot of kids who LOVE football. I'm afraid if they view these times as class then they won't show. I guess that was part of my original question as I was looking for ways to "spice it up." I was thinking about covering one offensive and one defensive topic a day and splicing YouTube videos from NCAA and NFL games to demonstrate. That way it's not just coaches on a whiteboard. I understand. You'd like them to know about the "whys" of what you're doing. I think those answers come with playing experience. Right now, HS kids are living in a small world. It is not a coach's world. They don't think like coaches. You'd like them to grasp strategies and tactics, but these kids were...4 years ago, still children. I think its important to remember that. I still see, sometimes, a kid taking a hit and get up crying. I also see some kids cry when you're coaching them up and they don't understand or are just unable to do something. It makes them think they're a failure. He's only 15! Showing them cut-ups of college and NFL games just shows them what D1 level and Pro talent looks like. Now, on one hand one could argue that what they're watching is a "goal" to attain. On the other hand, you could be just wasting everyone's time. I tried something similar some years ago, then sat back and remembered the time when I was a HS kid just trying to play a game and have some fun. Now, I limit the classroom time to what is relevant to what we actually do. As far as college and NFL games...I tell the kids to turn off the volume on their TV when they're watching a game. No sense in listening to color commentators tell them the wrong things. But, if you want to try (and increase your work load) I'd be interested to get some feedback about this...how it worked for you.
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Post by coachwoodall on Apr 30, 2017 10:41:47 GMT -6
Starting tomorrow for spring practice (and moving forward) we are shifting to more of a 'college' type practice. We are starting each day with film/chalk talk for about 20 minutes, then 10 minutes of ST , then hit the field. Even though practice over all will be the same amount of time, the time on the grass will be much shorter. Roughly the day will go like this:
school out at 315
340 position meetings - film review, install, chalk talk, etc.... 400 ST meeting for those involved, ACs and remaining players can continue film/chalk 415 Flex/ on the field practice 540-550 off the field
Right now the problem we're trying to overcome is space to accommodate 7 different meetings at once without being scattered all over the building
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Post by Coach Bennett on Apr 30, 2017 12:01:12 GMT -6
This is part of my worry. I hate to say it, but the school I'm at doesn't have a lot of kids who LOVE football. I'm afraid if they view these times as class then they won't show. I guess that was part of my original question as I was looking for ways to "spice it up." I was thinking about covering one offensive and one defensive topic a day and splicing YouTube videos from NCAA and NFL games to demonstrate. That way it's not just coaches on a whiteboard. Showing them cut-ups of college and NFL games just shows them what D1 level and Pro talent looks like. Now, on one hand one could argue that what they're watching is a "goal" to attain. On the other hand, you could be just wasting everyone's time. We show cut-ups of the previous season or the current one if facing a similar scheme. Reminding kids of technique (good, bad, ugly) through film of themselves or their peers is engaging and real. You don't need to show ten clips of a kid in man coverage not using his offhand correctly and the resulting TD...one makes the point. An awesome double team to a BSILB on power? Show a clip from the previous season when you crushed it and another time when you didn't and ask the kids what worked and what didn't. It's great when film comes up for an opponent and your athletes start saying "strip drill, coach! Look at how they're carrying the ball." Athletes/students/humans(?) are so visually oriented nowadays it's worth 10 minutes on a daily basis to teach or reinforce what it is we're trying to teach.
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Post by fugulookinat on Apr 30, 2017 12:27:16 GMT -6
We're looking at taking time over the summer (30-45 minutes a week) to have classroom time where we teach our players about football. Rules, Coverages, Strategy (including formations, motions, leverage, splits), etc. Has anybody ever done this before? Any suggestions? The big thing, IMHO, is describing the differences between NCAA rules and Federation rules. We spend a little time doing that, not much more. Insofar as teaching "football"...strategies, coverages etc, I suggest you limit that to what you're doing. High School kids don't want another class to study. They'd rather get out on the field and run around, play, and have fun. If you start classes of 30-45 minutes a week...eventually followed by a written test (which I can almost guarantee will come) the kids will think you're cutting in to their "fun" time and turn you off. I understand your concern, but I ask our kids this question. What's more "Fun"?, winning because you know what your doing, or losing because you running around without a clue? They all think winning is more fun, so do I.
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Post by BrendanQB on Apr 30, 2017 13:44:13 GMT -6
We're looking at taking time over the summer (30-45 minutes a week) to have classroom time where we teach our players about football. Rules, Coverages, Strategy (including formations, motions, leverage, splits), etc. Has anybody ever done this before? Any suggestions? The big thing, IMHO, is describing the differences between NCAA rules and Federation rules. We spend a little time doing that, not much more. Insofar as teaching "football"...strategies, coverages etc, I suggest you limit that to what you're doing. High School kids don't want another class to study. They'd rather get out on the field and run around, play, and have fun. If you start classes of 30-45 minutes a week...eventually followed by a written test (which I can almost guarantee will come) the kids will think you're cutting in to their "fun" time and turn you off. I agree that high school kids don't want to study. I think the idea is to make this 30-45 minutes of class time interactive and really valuable for the players. It can't just be lecture-style where they don't pay attention/sleep/are on their phones. It has to be a small group setting, like positional meetings. Groups of <10 kids where you can quiz each individual kid as you teach.
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Post by carookie on Apr 30, 2017 13:52:53 GMT -6
What are the goals and expected outcomes? How will you measure if you have achieved them? To what extent do you assume this will help you be successful on the field as opposed to just gaining overall knowledge of the sport?
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Post by rosey65 on May 1, 2017 8:54:31 GMT -6
I think this would be a great idea. I have a lot of kids who dont even watch football on their own over the weekend. Besides the few fantasy nuts on our team, there isn't a lot of football IQ that comes into our program.
We do this when it rains a bit, but mostly we get it done during Indy. Our kids are taught the concepts behind our offensive series, they begin to understand not only what a defender does, but also what we as an offense will be able to do to adjust.
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Post by BrendanQB on May 1, 2017 16:50:40 GMT -6
I think this would be a great idea. I have a lot of kids who dont even watch football on their own over the weekend. Besides the few fantasy nuts on our team, there isn't a lot of football IQ that comes into our program. We do this when it rains a bit, but mostly we get it done during Indy. Our kids are taught the concepts behind our offensive series, they begin to understand not only what a defender does, but also what we as an offense will be able to do to adjust. I like this a lot. Very important (and imo, underappreciated) to have kids understand the concepts behind the plays and schemes. Helps them make adjustments on the fly when the defense on friday night doesn't do exactly what your scout guys did
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Post by rosey65 on May 2, 2017 5:33:44 GMT -6
I think this would be a great idea. I have a lot of kids who dont even watch football on their own over the weekend. Besides the few fantasy nuts on our team, there isn't a lot of football IQ that comes into our program. We do this when it rains a bit, but mostly we get it done during Indy. Our kids are taught the concepts behind our offensive series, they begin to understand not only what a defender does, but also what we as an offense will be able to do to adjust. I like this a lot. Very important (and imo, underappreciated) to have kids understand the concepts behind the plays and schemes. Helps them make adjustments on the fly when the defense on friday night doesn't do exactly what your scout guys did I used to spend my Friday nights yelling, screaming, waving out onto the field. I used to burn through my white board on the sideline, drawing adjustments and plays. I realized I was spending hours practicing every week, and not actually covering anything. The last few years, my goal has been to have the OL capable of making adjustments in the huddle...sometimes significantly adjusting blocking schemes based on front, stunts and alignments. Now, it's more reminders and cues I call out for technique issues, and some games I dont even touch the white board. Hudl Sidelines helps a lot, too..
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 5:57:20 GMT -6
Kids learn football similar to how they learn in the classroom. Some kids need to see it, some need to hear, some need to write it down, and others need to do it. A 15 to 20 minute session where you diagram and describe things and have them write it down in a notebook, if you then go out and do what was done on the whiteboard, covers all of the learning bases.
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Post by z on May 2, 2017 7:27:06 GMT -6
I have done this as a head coach (for 23 years), and will implement it this summer as an OC. I know that it makes a difference. This is the way that I have set it up in the past (based on a 4 day work week): 1) We lift as units (offense and defense, including JV and Varsity players). 2) Each group is given 1 hour (lifting group and classroom/walk through group) 3) While one group is lifting, the other is classroom or walk through 4) If we classroom on Monday, we walk through on Wednesday (on the gym floor), before we go to the field as a team 5) In classroom, we use film, Power Point, and the white board. We make our guys go up there and draw their assignments, keys, etc. No one wants to be wrong. If we are, corrections are made in the classroom, and reemphasized on the field.
Glad that our HC has agreed to this method. We will see a difference. We will also put them in a Google Classroom, so that they will have homework and tests.
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Post by aceback76 on May 2, 2017 7:44:21 GMT -6
We're looking at taking time over the summer (30-45 minutes a week) to have classroom time where we teach our players about football. Rules, Coverages, Strategy (including formations, motions, leverage, splits), etc. Has anybody ever done this before? Any suggestions? We do this 2 days a week (non-lifting days) in our out-of-season (when the weather is too bad to go outside) from mid January until late April (especially with QB's). THEORIES OF LEARNING (by Ara Parseghian): There are two broad theories of learning. In one, the teacher gradually builds up a total picture by teaching the “parts of the whole”, one at a time. In the other “broad-based” (“whole-part-whole”) theory, the teacher presents the larger picture first and then fills in the details. While I have witnessed both approaches used in football, I am convinced that the better is that of working from the broadest possible base. Consequently, we literally overwhelm our players with terms, techniques, formations, plays and theories of the broadest possible range. Thus they are exposed to a broad concept of football and are required to fight their way through a maze, but in the end they better understand the total picture. Eventually, they will even master the specific details as well as the students who started with the details, that is, the “part of the whole” system. Again, it is our conviction that we must teach far more football strategy than is likely to be required. A study of these two approaches over the years has persuaded me that when a player is exposed from the very beginning to the widest possible base; 1. he can adjust to changes much more easily; 2. he is rarely overcome by the unexpected situation because he has been exposed to so many “looks”; 3. he probably gains a greater understanding of the system. The teaching of football from the broadest possible base allows us, the coaches, to be much more versatile in our planning for a particular game; also it causes our opponent greater concern as he must prepare, in a short time, to defend or attack the many looks we have mastered. Another point recommending the broad-based teaching approach is that, through their exposure to many styles of football, our players begin to teach us. Sooner or later it becomes clear that certain players are geared to certain phases of the game and, within that game, to certain styles. This point, that a particular combination of players dictates the style of offense and defense – through their own strengths and weaknesses – is perhaps the most important factor in a coach’s style and strategy.
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Post by fantom on May 2, 2017 8:06:12 GMT -6
We're looking at taking time over the summer (30-45 minutes a week) to have classroom time where we teach our players about football. Rules, Coverages, Strategy (including formations, motions, leverage, splits), etc. Has anybody ever done this before? Any suggestions? We've started doing this with our defensive players. On Monday after our workout we meet to go over different parts of our defense. A couple of rules that I've set for myself to keep the kids interested: 1. Keep it short. I've set a hard cap of 20 minutes. It's May. We don't have a formal spring season so there's no reason to spend a lot of time teaching the ins and outs of each coverage against each pass pattern. Just teach the main ideas. 2. As much as possible, only talk about subjects that pertain to that group. We start with general info, then go to info about the front, which goes pretty quickly (We're just talking about where to line up, not giving a clinic about 3-tech play). We finish up with a coverage. When we do we dismiss the DT's and DE's.
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Post by funkfriss on May 2, 2017 8:17:30 GMT -6
@aceback76 what does this look like? What topics do you cover and how do you present it? fantom is everything on the whiteboard? Do you have players take notes/quizzes?
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Post by fantom on May 2, 2017 8:24:11 GMT -6
@aceback76 what does this look like? What topics do you cover and how do you present it? fantom is everything on the whiteboard? Do you have players take notes/quizzes? Whiteboard? What do you think this is, Notre Dame? Chalkboard. No tests or quizzes. Hey' it's only 20 minutes.
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Post by rosey65 on May 2, 2017 8:28:15 GMT -6
@aceback76 what does this look like? What topics do you cover and how do you present it? fantom is everything on the whiteboard? Do you have players take notes/quizzes? Whiteboard? What do you think this is, Notre Dame? Chalkboard. No tests or quizzes. Hey' it's only 20 minutes. Definitely agree with no tests. We had tests in our college OL meetings, it didnt do anything but add more stress, and make us have another "task" to prepare for. Not having a test, at least with me, helps with engagement, as well as allowing the kids to take ownership of the knowledge. Instead of learning about football being something they "HAVE" to do, it is just part of being in your program.
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Post by fantom on May 2, 2017 8:33:54 GMT -6
Whiteboard? What do you think this is, Notre Dame? Chalkboard. No tests or quizzes. Hey' it's only 20 minutes. Definitely agree with no tests. We had tests in our college OL meetings, it didnt do anything but add more stress, and make us have another "task" to prepare for. Not having a test, at least with me, helps with engagement, as well as allowing the kids to take ownership of the knowledge. Instead of learning about football being something they "HAVE" to do, it is just part of being in your program. Look, it's May. If anybody thinks that I'm sitting down and writing and grading a test (Or making Power Point presentations for the meetings), clearly they've never met me.
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Post by blb on May 2, 2017 8:35:29 GMT -6
The tests are Friday nights in the fall.
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Post by aceback76 on May 2, 2017 8:41:41 GMT -6
@aceback76 what does this look like? What topics do you cover and how do you present it? fantom is everything on the whiteboard? Do you have players take notes/quizzes? PM me with your contact info!
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Post by aceback76 on May 2, 2017 8:43:46 GMT -6
@aceback76 what does this look like? What topics do you cover and how do you present it? fantom is everything on the whiteboard? Do you have players take notes/quizzes? Contact me (PM). LOTS of power-points, film, etc. QBs keep detailed notebook & are tested! TRAINING THE QB: 1. OFFENSIVE PHILOSOPHY 2. TRAINING THE QB: A. TYPES OF DEFENSES (FRONTS & COVERAGES) B. NAMING DEFENDERS C. DEFINING FIELD ZONES D. READING DEFENSES E. FORMATIONS AND HOW THEY AFFECT DEFENSES F. UNDERSTANDING HOW FRONTS AND COVERAGES ARE COORDINATED G. HOW TO UNDERSTAND WHERE TO RUN THE FOOTBALL H. HOW TO UNDERSTAND WHERE TO THROW THE FOOTBALL ************************************************************** PS: A few years back, I received an EXCELLENT 22 page booklet from the late Homer Smith (former "OC" at Alabama, UCLA, and "HFC" at ARMY, etc.). Homer passed away in 2011. I gave copies to my staff. Here is the "TOC": TEACHING: 1. Teaching In Athletics Is Different 2. Teaching In Football Is Very Different 3. Your Subject Is Human 4. Control Of A Player Is Essential 5. His Mins Is Good Enough 6. A Playbook Confines The Subject 7. You Must Teach Reavting 8. You Must Implant Kinesthetic Feels 9. You Must Teach Hitting With Power 10. You Must Teach Against A Total Defense 11. Correction Factors Have Their Usual Importance 12. Mistakes Cannot Be Allowed To Retard Learning 13. Concentration Is Organized Around Langusge Symbols 14. Anything Can Be Taught - Discipline, Appearance, Spirit a. Looking Good b. Showing Spirit c. Maintaining Good Execution d. Disguising Fatigue e. Playing With A Lead f. Executing Stop-The-Clock Offense g. Staying Together 15. Time Is Precious 16. You Organize To Keep Learning Curves Steep 17. A Computerized Teaching Program? 18. In Closing 19. A Postscript NOTE: I will not have time to EXPLAIN ANY OF THIS, but hope it gives you"food for thought"! *********************************************************************************** Homer Smith's daughter (Kim Hall) is selling copies of his manuals (these are GREAT). Here is the pone number you call to order (they are about $13 each), and a LIST of the manuals available: TO ORDER: Kim Hall = phone 1 770 623 0285 LIST OF MANUALS: Homer Smith on Coaching Offensive Football Theories and Concepts which Football Coaches and Quarterbacks Need to Understand Homer Smith offers seventeen professional manuals for those who aspire to be successful football coaches and who want to learn before getting tested in game competition. Plenty of diagrams! “You do not memorize football — you work with it and it soaks in.” The following are samplers of the manuals. The material is written for study. It is intended to be complete in its coverage of the theories and concepts that can undergird any offense. All of it is also for quarterbacks. Some of it can help other players. 1. Stop the Clock and Run the Clock Offense 2. Targeting on Defenders 3. Identifying Threats Posed by Defenses 4. Teaching 5. Blocking, And Running on Blockers 6. Protecting the Passer 7. Organizing Pass Patterns 8. Making Plays Look Alike 9. Handling the Ball 10. Optioning 11. Practicing 12. Formationing 13. Attacking 14. Calling Plays 15. A History of Football Concepts 16. Quarterbacking 17. Receiving
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