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Post by coachwoodall on Apr 11, 2017 8:06:58 GMT -6
I found chart that I think was titled something like 15 Characteristics of highly Productive People # 8 Avoid meetings at all costs
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Post by fantom on Apr 11, 2017 8:11:58 GMT -6
With technology now a days, I don't see any reason to meet on the weekends. I enjoy time with my family. If you're on your phone all the time enjoying your technology, are you really with your family though? I was thinking the same thing. Plus, when it comes to evaluating players, ours or their's, there may be things that need to be said that wouldn't look good in writing.
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Post by coachmonkey on Apr 11, 2017 8:13:39 GMT -6
With technology now a days, I don't see any reason to meet on the weekends. I enjoy time with my family. If you're on your phone all the time enjoying your technology, are you really with your family though? Yes, I'm rarely on it during the day. On the weekends I will generally only try to do football related things when my kids are in bed. All I really need to know to be prepared are the offensive formations and a top players. It doesn't take hours of watching film to see this. To send off a couple texts takes me a few minutes here and there over the weekend at a time when I am able. I have the added advantage of coaching with the exact same defensive staff for 6 years now so we have a pretty good idea of what each other are thinking.
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 11, 2017 8:24:42 GMT -6
If you're on your phone all the time enjoying your technology, are you really with your family though? Yes, I'm rarely on it during the day. On the weekends I will generally only try to do football related things when my kids are in bed. All I really need to know to be prepared are the offensive formations and a top players. It doesn't take hours of watching film to see this. To send off a couple texts takes me a few minutes here and there over the weekend at a time when I am able. I have the added advantage of coaching with the exact same defensive staff for 6 years now so we have a pretty good idea of what each other are thinking. Are you the DC?
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Post by wolverine55 on Apr 11, 2017 8:28:45 GMT -6
Here's what we do: Saturdays are "off" as a staff--we only play Friday games in Iowa--but it is our responsibility to have our game watched plus at least one of the scout tapes watched by the time we meet at 9 a.m. Sunday morning. During our staff meetings, we talk about what needs fixed based on Friday's result regardless of upcoming opponent, the HC/OC and DC present any scheme changes/adjustments needed based on what they saw on film, and then we watch a scout film together and brainstorm some ideas together.
This meeting is usually three hours tops and by the end of the season can be as short as 1.5 hours. I do think it's important to at least get together and brainstorm some ideas in person, but I also agree that some of the marathon sessions aren't needed. I guess one thing that helps is the only laundry we do for players is game jerseys.
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Post by coachmonkey on Apr 11, 2017 8:30:36 GMT -6
Yes, I'm rarely on it during the day. On the weekends I will generally only try to do football related things when my kids are in bed. All I really need to know to be prepared are the offensive formations and a top players. It doesn't take hours of watching film to see this. To send off a couple texts takes me a few minutes here and there over the weekend at a time when I am able. I have the added advantage of coaching with the exact same defensive staff for 6 years now so we have a pretty good idea of what each other are thinking. Are you the DC? Yep, first guy in will tag as much of the hudl video as possible. Some weekends its me, some its the passing game DC, some its the DL coach. Over the past 6 years we've seen over 100 different formations, few teams in our conference run the same offense. We are typically physically smaller than teams so they try to power at us in power formations. When that doesn't work they will try to spread us out. So we've come up with answers for our system to a lot of different offenses. However, weekend meetings for us "youngerish" coaches seems like a waste, so we don't meet. I understand others feel differently. However its hard to ask people with young families to give up their weekends in my opinion, so we don't. Our head coach is great at helping us all manage our time as coaches, teachers and husbands/fathers. On a side note, we do a lot of character building stuff during the season. It's hard to preach family and ignore your family during the season. The players can see through that.
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 11, 2017 8:34:57 GMT -6
Heck, sounds like you got it all figured out. Maybe you should sell it to people like that one guy on here.
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Post by fantom on Apr 11, 2017 9:32:40 GMT -6
Yep, first guy in will tag as much of the hudl video as possible. Some weekends its me, some its the passing game DC, some its the DL coach. Over the past 6 years we've seen over 100 different formations, few teams in our conference run the same offense. We are typically physically smaller than teams so they try to power at us in power formations. When that doesn't work they will try to spread us out. So we've come up with answers for our system to a lot of different offenses. However, weekend meetings for us "youngerish" coaches seems like a waste, so we don't meet. I understand others feel differently. However its hard to ask people with young families to give up their weekends in my opinion, so we don't. Our head coach is great at helping us all manage our time as coaches, teachers and husbands/fathers. On a side note, we do a lot of character building stuff during the season. It's hard to preach family and ignore your family during the season. The players can see through that. I've never completely understood that "Weekends are for families" argument. I understand not wanting those marathon all-day Saturday and Sunday meetings but I do think that there's value in a short (three hours or so) meeting. For me, all my life, the weekend is over by 5:00 Sunday evening.
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Post by coachmonkey on Apr 11, 2017 10:17:11 GMT -6
Heck, sounds like you got it all figured out. Maybe you should sell it to people like that one guy on here. We just have a system that works for us. I don't have all the answers. That's why we utilize technology. It's almost like meeting, without being in the same room. I know it's a strange concept to many. For many staffs I understand meeting works or is necessary, i was just stating there is also an alternative way that may work. I think it's all about balance and I think we have found that because - it works for us.
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Post by coachmonkey on Apr 11, 2017 10:19:55 GMT -6
Yep, first guy in will tag as much of the hudl video as possible. Some weekends its me, some its the passing game DC, some its the DL coach. Over the past 6 years we've seen over 100 different formations, few teams in our conference run the same offense. We are typically physically smaller than teams so they try to power at us in power formations. When that doesn't work they will try to spread us out. So we've come up with answers for our system to a lot of different offenses. However, weekend meetings for us "youngerish" coaches seems like a waste, so we don't meet. I understand others feel differently. However its hard to ask people with young families to give up their weekends in my opinion, so we don't. Our head coach is great at helping us all manage our time as coaches, teachers and husbands/fathers. On a side note, we do a lot of character building stuff during the season. It's hard to preach family and ignore your family during the season. The players can see through that. I've never completely understood that "Weekends are for families" argument. I understand not wanting those marathon all-day Saturday and Sunday meetings but I do think that there's value in a short (three hours or so) meeting. For me, all my life, the weekend is over by 5:00 Sunday evening. People have completed marathons in just over 2 hours. Many more have completed them in 3 hours.
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Post by fantom on Apr 11, 2017 10:41:44 GMT -6
I've never completely understood that "Weekends are for families" argument. I understand not wanting those marathon all-day Saturday and Sunday meetings but I do think that there's value in a short (three hours or so) meeting. For me, all my life, the weekend is over by 5:00 Sunday evening. People have completed marathons in just over 2 hours. Many more have completed them in 3 hours. I'm not sure that I completely understand your point here.
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Post by coachwoodall on Apr 11, 2017 10:42:04 GMT -6
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Post by agap on Apr 11, 2017 10:54:43 GMT -6
I've said this on a different thread, but I can't think of another husband/father who spends most of his time with his family on the weekends. They're busy working on something or doing some type of hobby. I don't see why it would be different with football. I don't have a family so that's easy for me to say, but it would be unusual for others I know to spend most of the weekend with their family.
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Post by gccwolverine on Apr 11, 2017 11:25:41 GMT -6
I've said this on a different thread, but I can't think of another husband/father who spends most of his time with his family on the weekends. They're busy working on something or doing some type of hobby. I don't see why it would be different with football. I don't have a family so that's easy for me to say, but it would be unusual for others I know to spend most of the weekend with their family. This! Now admittedly I don't have a family of my own but I get around my family (mom, dad, brothers, sisters, uncles, aunts for more that 12-20 hours at a time around the holidays or extended breaks and I find myself looking at a clock every 10 minutes wondering when I can leave. But maybe that's just me.
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Post by carookie on Apr 11, 2017 11:28:16 GMT -6
I'll add that the amount of time spent on the weekend is probably related to how much new stuff you like to put in throughout the season. I coached for a guy who loved installing new fronts, coverages, and MANY blitzes each week; in those instances weekends took a long time.
I've also DC'ed seasons where the playbook we broke camp with is the same one we finished the season with; weekends needed less time.
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Post by carookie on Apr 11, 2017 11:37:47 GMT -6
I've said this on a different thread, but I can't think of another husband/father who spends most of his time with his family on the weekends. They're busy working on something or doing some type of hobby. I don't see why it would be different with football. I don't have a family so that's easy for me to say, but it would be unusual for others I know to spend most of the weekend with their family. Not trying to just play devil's advocate, rather pointing out that I am a (and know lots of others) dad who spends most of my weekend time with my family- at least during the day. Especially when your kids get old enough to be in sports and activities themselves (and still young enough to want you around). Heck, over the past two months I have spent an average of 5 hours a saturday at the ballfield watching softball and baseball games. Now I get that football is a commitment and we all sacrifice for it. But to be less than efficient of my (or anyone's) free time on the weekend under the auspices that I'd just be ignoring my kids to watch sports, be on social media, or whatever other hobby you can think of, is wrong.
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Post by fantom on Apr 11, 2017 11:58:48 GMT -6
I've said this on a different thread, but I can't think of another husband/father who spends most of his time with his family on the weekends. They're busy working on something or doing some type of hobby. I don't see why it would be different with football. I don't have a family so that's easy for me to say, but it would be unusual for others I know to spend most of the weekend with their family. Not trying to just play devil's advocate, rather pointing out that I am a (and know lots of others) dad who spends most of my weekend time with my family- at least during the day. Especially when your kids get old enough to be in sports and activities themselves (and still young enough to want you around). Heck, over the past two months I have spent an average of 5 hours a saturday at the ballfield watching softball and baseball games. Now I get that football is a commitment and we all sacrifice for it. But to be less than efficient of my (or anyone's) free time on the weekend under the auspices that I'd just be ignoring my kids to watch sports, be on social media, or whatever other hobby you can think of, is wrong. I also spent a lot of time with my kids but I also think that the time needed is overstated. Sure you can go to their ballgames and do other activities with them but they're really going to want to spend most of their weekend time playing with their friends. As I said, our meetings were at 5 PM on Sunday. What's the family activity that's going on at that time?
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Post by carookie on Apr 11, 2017 12:17:19 GMT -6
Not trying to just play devil's advocate, rather pointing out that I am a (and know lots of others) dad who spends most of my weekend time with my family- at least during the day. Especially when your kids get old enough to be in sports and activities themselves (and still young enough to want you around). Heck, over the past two months I have spent an average of 5 hours a saturday at the ballfield watching softball and baseball games. Now I get that football is a commitment and we all sacrifice for it. But to be less than efficient of my (or anyone's) free time on the weekend under the auspices that I'd just be ignoring my kids to watch sports, be on social media, or whatever other hobby you can think of, is wrong. I also spent a lot of time with my kids but I also think that the time needed is overstated. Sure you can go to their ballgames and do other activities with them but they're really going to want to spend most of their weekend time playing with their friends. As I said, our meetings were at 5 PM on Sunday. What's the family activity that's going on at that time? For us, usually, family dinner. Not saying its the same for everyone, and as I already stated I am willing to sacrifice my time as well for the job (I willingly accept that). Just don't be wasteful and inefficient with my time and assume its okay because 'I probably am not going to be with my kids anyways.'
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Post by fantom on Apr 11, 2017 12:27:31 GMT -6
I also spent a lot of time with my kids but I also think that the time needed is overstated. Sure you can go to their ballgames and do other activities with them but they're really going to want to spend most of their weekend time playing with their friends. As I said, our meetings were at 5 PM on Sunday. What's the family activity that's going on at that time? For us, usually, family dinner. Not saying its the same for everyone, and as I already stated I am willing to sacrifice my time as well for the job (I willingly accept that). Just don't be wasteful and inefficient with my time and assume its okay because 'I probably am not going to be with my kids anyways.' I don't believe in wasting time either. We don't do things like mark tape, draw scout cards, etc. as a group. I just have a hard time buying into the idea that texting can replace in-person meetings.
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Post by coachmonkey on Apr 11, 2017 12:54:37 GMT -6
For us, usually, family dinner. Not saying its the same for everyone, and as I already stated I am willing to sacrifice my time as well for the job (I willingly accept that). Just don't be wasteful and inefficient with my time and assume its okay because 'I probably am not going to be with my kids anyways.' I don't believe in wasting time either. We don't do things like mark tape, draw scout cards, etc. as a group. I just have a hard time buying into the idea that texting can replace in-person meetings. Hate to hijack the thread, but I am curious, what do you do for 3+ hours? (also, with hudl, you can screen shot things and send it to coaches, which is a huge help in showing what you are talking about for the offense.)
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 11, 2017 13:11:39 GMT -6
Heck, sounds like you got it all figured out. Maybe you should sell it to people like that one guy on here. We just have a system that works for us. I don't have all the answers. That's why we utilize technology. It's almost like meeting, without being in the same room. I know it's a strange concept to many. For many staffs I understand meeting works or is necessary, i was just stating there is also an alternative way that may work. I think it's all about balance and I think we have found that because - it works for us. That was more of a snarky comment to the guy who came on here saying he'd help streamline things for your program only to send you an email and try to sell you a $2k subscription to something. Also, just noticed under your picture says DC. Sorry I didn't see that earlier.
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 11, 2017 13:25:59 GMT -6
I am intrigued by how many more dads are "around" these days, but their kids don't show much difference from kids whose dads aren't.
I just don't know what all these guys that make sure to spend all this time at home do with their kids. I mean, my dad wasn't around every second of my life. He even, GASP!!, missed some of my youth ball games. Somehow, I ended up with my head on straight.
Personal opinion here- I think most guys that "need to be home" that much, do it because their wives want them there so they don't have to do much.
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Post by carookie on Apr 11, 2017 13:58:46 GMT -6
For us, usually, family dinner. Not saying its the same for everyone, and as I already stated I am willing to sacrifice my time as well for the job (I willingly accept that). Just don't be wasteful and inefficient with my time and assume its okay because 'I probably am not going to be with my kids anyways.' I don't believe in wasting time either. We don't do things like mark tape, draw scout cards, etc. as a group. I just have a hard time buying into the idea that texting can replace in-person meetings. I agree wholeheartedly about the texting issue too. Heck, that would probably be even more of an inefficient way to communicate (at least for those of us over 30).
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Post by wingtol on Apr 11, 2017 14:06:50 GMT -6
We meet for about 3 hours on Sat mornings. I like it. We watch our game and maybe two of our opponent. We are also a pretty veteran staff, we have all been together for over 10 years and the guy who wasn't with us that long has like 40 years coaching experience. I think that helps in the way we do things. We can watch the film and BS as we do but also make sure we are on the same page as to corrections and what not from the film. We'll throw on some scout film and just watch, most teams in our region have had the same coaches for awhile so same chit different day from most of them in what they are going to do. I'll watch film on my own over the weekend and probably have already started sometime mid week taking a peek when I get some time at school. The guy with 40 some years does a scouting report and hit chart for the kids and I will draw scout cards off that during the week.
We also have run the wing-t for a long time and our 3-5 on D so we aren't a big game plan type deal where we are going crazy with new formations, motions, concepts, etc. It's more like how are we gonna block buck, trap, waggle against them. We aren't changing what we do so that saves a lot of time. And on D I will focus on what they are doing best that year. We'll run their top 5-6 plays over and over and throw in a few they don't run much so practice planning isn't a huge time killer for us either.
Maybe I'm getting old, 20 years experience at 42, but I like the in person aspect of meeting the next day. Technology is great and we use it but I just feel nothing replaces everyone in the smae place looking at the same thing at the same time. Like the old days before HUDL etc...
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Post by jg78 on Apr 11, 2017 14:40:24 GMT -6
I don't like family excuses. IMO, everyone's free time is equal no matter what they do with it.
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Post by mholst40 on Apr 11, 2017 14:46:13 GMT -6
We meet on Sundays at my house. This year we are going to use this schedule.
5:00-6:00 pm Defensive Meeting (Discuss tendencies, Ready Sheet, D Player of the Week, Grades/Things we need to improve/Practice schedule) 6:00-6:15 pm Whole Staff Meeting (Discuss ST Player of the Week, Weekly Schedule, Weekly Emphasis) 6:15-7:15 pm Offensive Meeting (Discuss tendencies, O Player of the Week, Grades/Things we need to improve/Practice schedule, Pair down formations/play calls)
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Post by footballt05 on Apr 12, 2017 7:04:15 GMT -6
Friday night after the game we sit down eat some pizza, review the film (with notes for each kid), and enter stats. Typically we are out around 12:30ish
Kids come in Saturday morning at 8:30. Some coaches come in earlier to start breaking down film or start entering the call sheets from fridays game. Donuts and yoga for about a 1/2hr, then film for about 45min (coaches and kids). Kids go home or or go watch the JV game.
Coaches split up O and D and start breaking down film and formulating a game plan, creating scouting report, call sheet for Friday, and getting practice plans ready for the week. Get lunch as a staff ordered or community members bring in food. Typically done before 5.
We don't meet Sunday but will talk or text Sunday evening. Personally I won't look at film from Saturday at 5 till Sunday night when my kids go to bed. Then Monday after practice we will meet again to adjust our game plan if needed.
Actually really enjoy Saturdays. Think breaking down film together gets us all on the same page.
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Post by CoachSP on Apr 12, 2017 7:06:35 GMT -6
7-1 on Saturday. Coaches only. -All film breakdown -All scout cards drawn -DC finishes scripts on his own time (coordinators will have a slightly longer day). -Off Sunday. I agree with one of the guys who already said everyone's free time is important no matter how it is spent. I am happy our HC thinks that way as well.
We don't watch the film as a group. We complete the breakdown individually (everyone has a job), come together to look at tendencies, and figure out our adjustments/personnel.
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Post by gccwolverine on Apr 12, 2017 7:15:08 GMT -6
Along those lines... you guys that do these entire staff devotionals... I couldn't work for you. You want to say a prayer before we eat by all means get after it I'll join in too, but a staff devotional or bible study for an extended period of time... Let's focus on the work and lets leave the personal stuff like religion and biblical theory and interpretation at home and personal where it belongs.
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Post by holmesbend on Apr 12, 2017 7:26:14 GMT -6
7-1 on Saturday. Coaches only. -All film breakdown -All scout cards drawn -DC finishes scripts on his own time (coordinators will have a slightly longer day). -Off Sunday. I agree with one of the guys who already said everyone's free time is important no matter how it is spent. I am happy our HC thinks that way as well. We don't watch the film as a group. We complete the breakdown individually (everyone has a job), come together to look at tendencies, and figure out our adjustments/personnel. Saturday mornings are golden aren't they?
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