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Post by utchuckd on Mar 30, 2017 6:41:12 GMT -6
How many helmets do y'all typically have rejected when you send them in for reconditioning? I bought 55 new helmets 3 years ago and sent them in this year. Just got them back and 4 were rejected. That seems high to me for 3 year old helmets.
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Post by **** on Mar 30, 2017 7:02:52 GMT -6
Wow. Only time I remember them getting rejected is when they hit the age limit?
I may have seen a handful get rejected over my career but I can't really think of any times off the top of my head.
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Post by runitupthemiddle on Mar 30, 2017 9:32:56 GMT -6
We just kicked 10 out this year for being to old , and 4 got rejected. We sent in 6 big boxes, so 60 total.
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Post by Yash on Mar 30, 2017 23:14:11 GMT -6
How many helmets do y'all typically have rejected when you send them in for reconditioning? I bought 55 new helmets 3 years ago and sent them in this year. Just got them back and 4 were rejected. That seems high to me for 3 year old helmets. What brand are helmets, and what company rejected them? Is the same guy you buy helmets from rejecting them? Is he trying to pad his pockets by selling you more helmets? Could you ask for specifics about why they were rejected or ask company for replacements since they lasted far less than typical lifespan? |
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Post by scottc on Mar 31, 2017 7:12:19 GMT -6
In general mine are age rejects. However maybe 1 or so a year for defects [cracks etc].
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Post by cqmiller on Mar 31, 2017 7:14:02 GMT -6
I used to get a spreadsheet with each helmet and it always told me what was the cause of it being rejected. See if your rep can get you that info. They should have it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2017 9:06:11 GMT -6
Seems high. We sent around 150 helmets last year and not 1 was rejected.
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Post by funkfriss on Mar 31, 2017 10:09:18 GMT -6
How many helmets do y'all typically have rejected when you send them in for reconditioning? I bought 55 new helmets 3 years ago and sent them in this year. Just got them back and 4 were rejected. That seems high to me for 3 year old helmets. Back in the day, we would get helmets through an equipment company. 10 years ago we went with a dedicated Riddell rep. He comes out every year and checks our helmets after the season and selects the ones he feels need reconditioning based on wear and tear or years of use. There are some helmets that need reconditioning after one year of use. It just depends on the kid using it and how much contact the helmet gets. I'm guessing after three years you might have had a few that were coincidentally overly abused. In 10 years we have never had a helmet rejected other than for being past the 10-year date. We purchase 6-12 new helmets every year to replace the ones that are thrown out every 10 years. |
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Post by runitupthemiddle on Mar 31, 2017 11:04:35 GMT -6
We just kicked 10 out this year for being to old , and 4 got rejected. We sent in 6 big boxes, so 60 total. I told you wrong, it was 80 we sent in, and 6 rejected |
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Post by runitupthemiddle on Mar 31, 2017 11:09:17 GMT -6
How many helmets do y'all typically have rejected when you send them in for reconditioning? I bought 55 new helmets 3 years ago and sent them in this year. Just got them back and 4 were rejected. That seems high to me for 3 year old helmets. Back in the day, we would get helmets through an equipment company.  10 years ago we went with a dedicated Riddell rep.  He comes out every year and checks our helmets after the season and selects the ones he feels need reconditioning based on wear and tear or years of use.  There are some helmets that need reconditioning after one year of use.  It just depends on the kid using it and how much contact the helmet gets.  I'm guessing after three years you might have had a few that were coincidentally overly abused. In 10 years we have never had a helmet rejected other than for being past the 10-year date.  We purchase 6-12 new helmets every year to replace the ones that are thrown out every 10 years. So your states doesn't make u recon every 2 years? |
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Post by cqmiller on Mar 31, 2017 11:14:19 GMT -6
We have to recondition here EVERY year if a helmet is used by a player. If you issue to a kid and he quits 2 days later, you must get it reconditioned... If you do not use a helmet, it can go to the next year, but must be reconditioned at the end of the next year regardless of whether it was used or not.
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Post by bullsvp on Mar 31, 2017 11:23:46 GMT -6
Check the warranty on those rejects. If only 3 years old your may be able to get them replaced under warranty.
We send in about 120 helmets per year and get 2-4 rejected per year that isn't from age. One was from deep gouges, usually it is from cracks aroud. The ear holes, and side clamps for face mask
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Post by funkfriss on Mar 31, 2017 11:49:23 GMT -6
Back in the day, we would get helmets through an equipment company. 10 years ago we went with a dedicated Riddell rep. He comes out every year and checks our helmets after the season and selects the ones he feels need reconditioning based on wear and tear or years of use. There are some helmets that need reconditioning after one year of use. It just depends on the kid using it and how much contact the helmet gets. I'm guessing after three years you might have had a few that were coincidentally overly abused. In 10 years we have never had a helmet rejected other than for being past the 10-year date. We purchase 6-12 new helmets every year to replace the ones that are thrown out every 10 years. So your states doesn't make u recon every 2 years? I could be wrong, but I think it's every 3 here. |
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Post by utchuckd on Mar 31, 2017 12:13:26 GMT -6
These are Schutt that I bought through a local dealer, and we went through him to send them in for reconditioning. Good guy and basically a middle man in the deal from what I can tell. Waiting to hear back from him on why they were rejected. I've had other people tell me reconditioning is supposed to be every 2 years, but he's the dealer and he says 3 years so that's what we did. The AD at the high school is getting me in touch with their Riddell rep to replace them with, not to excited to buy more Schutts right now.
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Post by funkfriss on Mar 31, 2017 12:35:52 GMT -6
Just checked with my rep and he said that there currently is no law requiring reconditioning. He said next year there will be a rule from NOCSAE (National Operating Committee on Standards for Athletic Equipment) that will require helmets be reconditioned every other year or else they can't be recertified.
Still not required, but a good idea for safety and CYA for lawsuits.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Mar 31, 2017 12:41:56 GMT -6
Ridell and Schutt Helmets
We sent out 95 from HS and 4 got rejected.
I think it's an absolute racket...its like $20-25 a pop isn't it?
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Post by hsrose on Mar 31, 2017 12:47:15 GMT -6
I'm in CA so we send ours in every year. Schools I've been at the district pays for the reconditioning of the helmets, safety/liability thing. At the school I'm at now they allocate $5k for this, we cover any cost above the $5k.
We sent in 83, 15 got rejected because of age. I was off on reading the numbers and such, but it was going to be this year or next. And I've got 26 sitting on the shelves because they were not issued last season. But yeah, a kid wears a helmet in practice and it's recondition time.
We go through a vendor that does the legwork. They have no say in what gets done/rejected. We buy new helmets through them but they are separate from Schutt/Riddell so they have no influence on getting more helmets rejected.
I've seen 5 or so helmets be rejected the past 3 years for small cracks and such, usually around the screw holes for the facemask. They normally return every helmet for proof of the rejection reason. We just got rid of a box of 20+ dead helmets that went back far enough to have a couple with full on foam interior with an air bladder lattice built into the foam.
Don't forget that in CA we have a state law about the amount of time we can practice and how much full contact we can have. Not an association rule, a state law. I've never not reconditioned every helmet that was worn.
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Post by runitupthemiddle on Mar 31, 2017 17:19:36 GMT -6
Just checked with my rep and he said that there currently is no law requiring reconditioning. He said next year there will be a rule from NOCSAE (National Operating Committee on Standards for Athletic Equipment) that will require helmets be reconditioned every other year or else they can't be recertified. Still not required, but a good idea for safety and CYA for lawsuits. School I'm at now every 2 years, but I found some that had not. Other schools I've been at, we sent in every helmet that was worn. Another coach I worked for, sent them in if they had been worn, but that was it, since it was only "recommended" to be reconditioned every 2 years. And up until like 6 years, I believe schutt said you could use their helmets for life till they didn't pass recon, only Riddel had the 10 year for hs and 7 for a junior high. But if you think about it, would u want to wear a 10 year old helmet? Or have your kid in one? I wouldn't. |
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Post by bigmoot on Mar 31, 2017 18:20:37 GMT -6
Don't throw those rejects away. Our course clean out the guts. Then decal and stripe them. Sell as souvenirs or give away to seniors.
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Post by runitupthemiddle on Apr 3, 2017 12:42:43 GMT -6
Don't throw those rejects away. Our course clean out the guts. Then decal and stripe them. Sell as souvenirs or give away to seniors. We do, or give to big boosters/community leaders and the adm. If you have enough they make good senior gifts and u can have the team autograph them and raffle at games besides just footballs. And use the screws for extra equipment. We used to take the old air bladders out and use as cones instead of buying cones to save money. |
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Post by macdiiddy on Apr 3, 2017 13:17:37 GMT -6
We recondition every year. Send in about 85-90 helmets a year and maybe get 1 rejected a year from cracks or deep gauges. The vast majority are age related.
6 does seem high. Either it is a terrible helmet model, which we dealt with a long time a go when we bought a few Adams helmets, The guy inspecting them asleep on the job, or just bad luck.
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Post by utchuckd on Apr 3, 2017 19:22:55 GMT -6
They didn't send the rejects back to us.
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Post by macdiiddy on Apr 3, 2017 21:17:36 GMT -6
They didn't send the rejects back to us. Call them and ask for the rejected helmets, I'm not sure if it is too late this year, but if you ask them to send them back to you they will with some of the parts gutted out and a tag or sticker saying rejected. It is obviously easier for them to just hold on to them, strip them if they want, and not deal with packing and shipping them back. |
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Post by silkyice on Apr 4, 2017 7:35:30 GMT -6
These are Schutt that I bought through a local dealer, and we went through him to send them in for reconditioning. Good guy and basically a middle man in the deal from what I can tell. Waiting to hear back from him on why they were rejected. I've had other people tell me reconditioning is supposed to be every 2 years, but he's the dealer and he says 3 years so that's what we did. The AD at the high school is getting me in touch with their Riddell rep to replace them with, not to excited to buy more Schutts right now. Whenever we have rejects I get them to send the helmet shell back to us. It will have a circle drawn around the problem area. |
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Post by coachdawhip on Apr 16, 2017 13:22:36 GMT -6
we sent 120 in this year, had 10 rejected. 7 were Xeniths and 3 riddell. Riddell did the reconditioning. MY AD and Riddell are having a nice conversation right now.
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