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Post by Coach Bennett on Mar 30, 2017 6:12:19 GMT -6
Have any of you either personally told an official that he got a call wrong that ultimately was to your disadvantage or had an opposing coach do something similar with his own team? If so, was it in garbage time or could it potentially have affected the outcome of the game?
E.g. as your RB jets down the sideline and scores he barely touches the sideline but the official doesn't see it. You tell the official no TD and point out where he went OB.
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Post by **** on Mar 30, 2017 7:04:15 GMT -6
I would tell him after the next play.
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Post by fantom on Mar 30, 2017 7:08:40 GMT -6
Have any of you either personally told an official that he got a call wrong that ultimately was to your disadvantage or had an opposing coach do something similar with his own team? If so, was it in garbage time or could it potentially have affected the outcome of the game? E.g. as your RB jets down the sideline and scores he barely touches the sideline but the official doesn't see it. You tell the official no TD and point out where he went OB. Never even occurred to me. He has his job, I have mine. Almost every time that I thought that that had happened when I watched film it turned out that I was wrong. |
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Post by agap on Mar 30, 2017 8:11:14 GMT -6
I've done the opposite and told him he made the right call that was to our disadvantage.
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Post by Coach Bennett on Mar 30, 2017 8:16:09 GMT -6
I would tell him after the next play. Haha. I get that. I was just thinking about how often we talk character and how I would apply that standard to myself. |
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Post by **** on Mar 30, 2017 8:29:41 GMT -6
I would tell him after the next play. Haha. I get that. I was just thinking about how often we talk character and how I would apply that standard to myself. Still being honest, might have just slipped my mind for a play or two! |
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Post by fantom on Mar 30, 2017 8:32:58 GMT -6
I would tell him after the next play. Haha. I get that. I was just thinking about how often we talk character and how I would apply that standard to myself. Let me give you a scenario: In a big game we had what looked to us like a bang-bang play where the opponent's receiver got hit and dropped the ball, not a catch. The official ruled that the receiver had held the ball, fumbled when hit, and we recovered and scored a TD. Broke the game open. All of us coaches were sure that the call (TD for us) was wrong. On film, we saw that actually the receiver had caught it and was turning to run when our guy hit him. Correct call. If we'd called the official's "error" to his attention and he'd listened- which he almost certainly wouldn't- what do I tell our kids after the film showed that the initial call was correct? |
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Post by td4tc on Mar 30, 2017 8:37:43 GMT -6
Have any of you either personally told an official that he got a call wrong that ultimately was to your disadvantage or had an opposing coach do something similar with his own team? If so, was it in garbage time or could it potentially have affected the outcome of the game? E.g. as your RB jets down the sideline and scores he barely touches the sideline but the official doesn't see it. You tell the official no TD and point out where he went OB. You're kidding , right? You're making me feel guilty cause I would more likely praise him for what a great call he made in the above example. |
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Post by pistola on Mar 30, 2017 8:42:07 GMT -6
I would tell him after the next play. Haha. I get that. I was just thinking about how often we talk character and how I would apply that standard to myself. not the same thing to me at all |
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Post by StraightFlexin on Mar 30, 2017 8:44:29 GMT -6
Have any of you either personally told an official that he got a call wrong that ultimately was to your disadvantage or had an opposing coach do something similar with his own team? If so, was it in garbage time or could it potentially have affected the outcome of the game? E.g. as your RB jets down the sideline and scores he barely touches the sideline but the official doesn't see it. You tell the official no TD and point out where he went OB. You're kidding , right? You're making me feel guilty cause I would more likely praise him for what a great call he made in the above example. Reminds me of this damn commercial growing up. Hated this commercial |
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Post by silkyice on Mar 30, 2017 9:40:24 GMT -6
You're kidding , right? You're making me feel guilty cause I would more likely praise him for what a great call he made in the above example. Reminds me of this damn commercial growing up. Hated this commercial How does the kid know that the opposing player who was behind him didn't touch it after he touched it? Players play. Coaches coach. Refs ref. Fans cheer. Admin screws everything up. Everyone has their role! |
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Post by Spread 'em out on Mar 30, 2017 9:54:17 GMT -6
Players play. Coaches coach. Refs ref. Fans cheer. Admin screws everything up. Everyone has their role! Quote of the year right there, haha. |
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Post by coachcb on Mar 30, 2017 9:56:54 GMT -6
Nope... They have their job and we have ours.
But, this is also coming from the guy who was told "your OL are experts at getting away with holding" by an official one game.
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Post by utchuckd on Mar 30, 2017 9:59:50 GMT -6
Applying character to it would demand I tell the official when he got it wrong against my team too, right? He wouldn't change that call, so why would I tip the balance and try to change the call that benefited my team.
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Post by Defcord on Mar 30, 2017 10:16:46 GMT -6
When I was a head baseball coach, we had a kid get hit by a pitch with bases loaded in a close championship game. The umpire asked him if he tried to get out of the way. He said no so the umpire called it a ball and made him stay. Everyone in our dugout was pretty upset. Our book keeper, who was a religious man yelled from the dugout "Save that stuff for Sunday!" It was pretty funny. I called time to see what was going on. The kid said don't worry coach I am going to take care of business. Then he hit a 3 run double so it all worked out for us.
I am not going to get mad at a kid for telling the truth, like the above commercial.
As far as officials I am not going to try to alter an officials judgement call. If at half time some kind of communication mistake took place and the officials tried to make the other team kickoff when they were supposed to receive I would say something.
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Post by 44dlcoach on Mar 30, 2017 10:16:47 GMT -6
I understand the question but in terms of practicality I think it's irrelevant because the official wouldn't change any call based on what I said to him anyway.
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Post by wingtol on Mar 30, 2017 10:26:21 GMT -6
Not my job to enforce the rules during the game as I am sure many refs have pointed out to coaches over the years. And I'm not sure with some of the refs around here if they know it's their own job to enforce the rules!
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Post by td4tc on Mar 30, 2017 10:31:52 GMT -6
How does the kid know that the opposing player who was behind him didn't touch it after he touched it? Players play. Coaches coach. Refs ref. Fans cheer. Admin screws everything up. Everyone has their role! Parents pi$$ and moan. |
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Post by Yash on Mar 30, 2017 23:10:43 GMT -6
I had a ref threaten to throw me out of a game once when I calmly asked if a penalty was thrown for my wide receiver not breaking the bottom of numbers. (No joke, I'm chill on sidelines never yell at refs). So I'm not real sure how this would go over. I'd probably get tossed for trying to do the right thing.
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Post by funkfriss on Mar 31, 2017 10:28:23 GMT -6
I understand it's their job to officiate the rules, but if I know the rules are not being enforced correctly I'll speak up. Never on a subjective call, who knows what he saw vs what I saw.
There have been a couple times I can remember where I have talked with officials about enforcement of a penalty that was to our disadvantage. One was in a football game where they were conferencing about the markoff of a penalty and I told them it should be a 15 yd markoff against us instead of 10 (or something like that...it was a while ago). Another was in a basketball game this past season where they didn't know what to do when I had a kid with the wrong jersey number in the book. They were going to assess a team foul and give our opponent the ball. I told them it was a technical foul on me giving them two free throws and the ball.
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Post by tothehouse on Mar 31, 2017 11:02:39 GMT -6
How many of you go with..."what did you see there ref?"? I mean...if you have some repoire with them they might answer you.
And if I disagree I might go with a "you owe us" with a smile.
It obviously depends on the guy or the crew.
I highly doubt I would go the "character" route...because I have another play to call based on whether they got the call right or wrong.
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Post by bobgoodman on Apr 1, 2017 13:54:01 GMT -6
Have any of you either personally told an official that he got a call wrong that ultimately was to your disadvantageI might be tempted to, & I've heard coaches do it, but I wouldn't. Officials could be pissed off enough that you criticize their calls that go against you, now you want to increase it by pointing out errors the other way? |
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Post by jgordon1 on Apr 1, 2017 14:02:25 GMT -6
we were getting killed one time and we went blantanly off-sides. the ref didn't call it as it was cold and probably wanted to get home..I told him that he saw that and wasn't doing my kids any favors by not calling it. i HATE when refs "help" the weaker team..sometimes its us..sometimes its them..they are there to ref the game not create mercy
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Post by jlenwood on Apr 2, 2017 8:52:56 GMT -6
Applying character to it would demand I tell the official when he got it wrong against my team too, right? I think the way to "apply" character to the games as far as officiating goes is to not be a screaming, demented fool about every call the way some coaches are (and I used to be). Had my son tell me when he played for me that I was embarrassing myself the way I acted towards officials during the games. That hit me like a ton of bricks. I changed from that moment on and low and behold it seemed like things weren't so bad after all. Officials can be dick$, but really they do a good job. It's like everywhere else, a couple seem to define an entire group. I am more inclined to let a guy know when I think he made the right call, whether it was for or against my team, and it seems to let the official know that I am going to be honest in my opinion of the calls. After the trust is built, if you do question something, at least he knows you aren't just bitc*ing about it, that maybe you are right. I have questioned stuff before and had the officials get together and change a call once or twice, but mostly I just go onto the next play and try to forget it. |
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Post by coachbdud on Apr 2, 2017 12:34:14 GMT -6
Have any of you either personally told an official that he got a call wrong that ultimately was to your disadvantage or had an opposing coach do something similar with his own team? If so, was it in garbage time or could it potentially have affected the outcome of the game? E.g. as your RB jets down the sideline and scores he barely touches the sideline but the official doesn't see it. You tell the official no TD and point out where he went OB. no way they screw up too often against us for me to tell them when they screw up in our favor  it's hunger games season #GrindMode #MayTheOffsBeEverInYourFavor #IfTheRefDidntSeeItThenItDidntHappen |
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Post by mnike23 on Apr 3, 2017 9:39:08 GMT -6
Players play. Coaches coach. Refs ref. Fans cheer. Admin screws everything up. Everyone has their role! quote of the year!! |
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Post by tothehouse on Apr 3, 2017 10:20:16 GMT -6
Early in the season...one of the first years I was a coach. The side judge was consistently helping the receiver line up on the LOS. I understand...maybe one time...but it was constant.
I went over to him and said..."that's their coaches job. Don't coach their player. Ref the game. Throw the flag".
I was a 20 year old HC of a JV team. I called timeout to talk to the white hat. I was pissed. I told them..."if I lose a game because they line up wrong and score a TD on us without a penalty...I'm not going to be happy".
Again...I'm too busy coaching...the refs need to be busy reffing.
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Post by joris85 on Apr 3, 2017 10:43:49 GMT -6
I still play myself and am a coach and speaking captain that has been a game official for quite some games as well.
Bare in mind that I am in Europe, so things are different here.
We had a game just yesterday in which the umpire threw a flag for block in the back.
As I am on speaking terms with the officials, I could check what the call was before it was being called.
That gave me the opportunity to quickly say: "You know I lined up in the box, right?"
(I play TE and blocked someone who turned his back to me right out of the POA, so I figured the flag was on me)
Umpire responded with: "you're right, my bad." then turned to the referee and asked to wave the flag off, which he did.
Earlier in the same game, I complimented him on a tough, but correct call against us, which actually overturned a fumble recovery.
It helps to be in the middle of it to get the call right, as long as you don't say they're wrong.
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Post by coachthomason on Apr 5, 2017 11:54:00 GMT -6
When I first became the HC I used to fly off the handle on missed/bad calls all the time. But I slowly realized that that was not good. My players would follow my example and I have yet to see an official say "You know what coach, you were right. Let me pick up that flag."
I have changed a lot since then. I very rarely yell at officials anymore (unless there is a safety concern). I've been working hard to extinguish the "it's the officials fault excuse" from both my staff and the players.
While I don't necessarily tell an official that he got a call/no-call wrong that would have hurt our team in a tight ball game, I have made comments several times to our players/coaches, with in ear shot of an official, that a call that went against us was the right call.
One time (full disclosure - it was a blow out 54-0) a back-up kicker had such a bad kick-off late in the game that it looked like an onside kick and we recovered it. But one of our players had touched the ball before it went ten yards. I started screaming immediately that we had touched the ball too early. The official on our sideline looked right at me, nodded and threw a flag against us for illegal procedure (we had to re-kick).
Dealing with officials always seems to be a crap shoot. So we try to model respectful behavior on the sideline for our staff, our players and our fans more than for the officials. I feel like talking with the officials in a calm manner and mentioning things like "my guys in the booth are seeing (fill in the blank), can you mention it to the white hat/keep an eye open for it?" works a whole lot better than screaming until you're red in the face and have burst blood vessels in your eyes.
That's my two cents, hope it's not too much of a tangent from the op!
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Post by BrendanQB on Apr 5, 2017 12:46:10 GMT -6
Have any of you either personally told an official that he got a call wrong that ultimately was to your disadvantage or had an opposing coach do something similar with his own team? If so, was it in garbage time or could it potentially have affected the outcome of the game? E.g. as your RB jets down the sideline and scores he barely touches the sideline but the official doesn't see it. You tell the official no TD and point out where he went OB. Definitely have told officials they got calls wrong. In crunch time in one game my QB spun out of a sack and put his left hand on the ground to balance before throwing a BOMB of a touchdown. The referee blew the whistle when his hand went down though and went with the "inadvertent whistle" call. Got as heated as I've ever been and it actually made my players start complaining to the refs for the rest of the game, which I'm a big advocator of NOT doing. Basically it just set a bad example for my kids and gave them a reason to start bad-mouthing the refs themselves. If I could do it all over again I'd definitely still let the ref know he got it way, way wrong. It's just how you go about it with refs. Gotta stay composed and calm and give them the facts of why they got the call wrong. |
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