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Post by mrjvi on Mar 3, 2017 9:18:05 GMT -6
Hears them and/or smells them.
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Post by 3rdandlong on Mar 3, 2017 11:31:10 GMT -6
The only reason we stretch is because it's a time for me to take role and a time to reinforce the message of the day. I also encourage my coaches to use it as a time to have some dialogue with players and show some enthusiasm. It's also a good time to have offensive and defensive coaches talk some smack to each other for players to hear. I really want to scrap it because it's a 5 minute period that we don't get back but I see some value. My biggest pet peeve is when coaches stand around and bs with one another or stand off to the side to go over a practice item that should have been planned way on advanced. When that happens, it's my fault.
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Post by runitupthemiddle on Mar 6, 2017 8:12:32 GMT -6
Why, I wonder then, do I see so many teams come out and do Static Stretching for their Halftime warm-up? We don't, never have in 16 years, only active dynamic warmup And if the kids feel they "need" to stretch that's on them, they do it on their own
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Post by CoachMcKie on Mar 6, 2017 8:14:04 GMT -6
I like the air raid approach to warming up, skipping traditional stretching and going through drills at varying speeds. However, all I've ever found is this from an offensive perspective, what would it look like for a defense? Circuits? Our defense has a turn over circuit that they do instead of a stretching period. They go about fifty percent speed and focus on stripping the ball, scooping and scoring, and high pointing a pass. The kids love it and our defense increased their turn over ratio.
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Post by vanden48 on Mar 7, 2017 19:15:01 GMT -6
After reading this thread I am rethinking how we do this next season. We are a Co-Op and the other two schools usually show up around 4:00. Those kids get changed and don't get out to practice for the slow ones until 4:10. If we are starting our team stretch at 4:00 and finishing it at 4:10, they miss it anyways.
Our school gets out at 3:30, I am thinking of having the players meet in the weight room at 3:45 and we do a 30 min workout as our "Warm Up", giving the Co-Op players from the other two schools time to get there and into the weight room to get some pump on. Do some circuit training and a combination of olympic lifts. This would cover the practice warm up and get our team in-season lifting in. When we take field we can go right into an indy session or special teams.
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Post by mrjvi on Mar 7, 2017 20:12:35 GMT -6
Sounds like a decent idea. Only thing I'd be careful of is doing too much shoulder work before a big hitting day. The muscles of the shoulder are heavily involved in stablizing the joint. If too much shoulder work fatigues the shoulder muscles to too great a degree, shoulder instability could be a risk. Did this 1 year and had 3-4 shoulder injuries where we usually had few to none. (other than shoulders just being weak) Other wise, a great use of time in my opinion.
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Post by biggus3 on Mar 8, 2017 6:27:08 GMT -6
I think this is misguided. Static stretching is valuable in a warm up. Just because you don't like it or would rather be doing something else more "productive" doesn't mean you shouldn't do it.
Should your warm up be a yoga session. No.
Should you replace it with the worst drill in America, agility ladders? Maybe, but for me NO.
Should you compare yourself to an animal, who doesn't contort his body to sit in a tiny wooden desk 6 hours a day? No.
When some meathead walks in to the gym and bench presses for the third time that week, what is his warmup? Stretches his pecs and swings his arms back and forth? A little static stretch followed by activating the muscle he just stretched. It makes it move better and "feels good"
When an old man goes to play a pick up basketball game, what is his warm up? He stretches his quads and hamstrings, followed by jumping up and down. Some static stretching followed by reactivates the muscles he just stretched.
Like cats, people also have some instincts as to what they need to OPTIMALLY perform in a nonsurvival situation. Get the muscle gliding right and priming the nervous system. I'd be willing bet if you completely ditch static stretching, that your guys are doing the things I described above in the line waiting for the rope ladders and tackling circuit you replaced it with.
Like most things, the answer lies in the middle.
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Post by M4 on Mar 8, 2017 8:37:18 GMT -6
We're moving away from a structured dynamic warm up and will be doing some active agility drills as our warm, one day a week cone agility starting at 50% transitioning to 100% speed over a 10 minute period, the other day doing an individual group based position specific footwork drills, again starting at 50% and moving to 100% over a 10 minute period.
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Post by newt21 on Mar 8, 2017 10:15:42 GMT -6
We will not be getting rid of our dynamic warm up, but it will be shortened. At my level (middle school) there are often times that we will get off the bus and be given 10 minutes to get ready for the game, gotta get rid of the bus legs somehow!
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Post by biggus3 on Mar 8, 2017 10:46:15 GMT -6
We're moving away from a structured dynamic warm up and will be doing some active agility drills as our warm, one day a week cone agility starting at 50% transitioning to 100% speed over a 10 minute period, the other day doing an individual group based position specific footwork drills, again starting at 50% and moving to 100% over a 10 minute period. Just to play devils advocate, because if you feel more technical work is needed to improve your team then have at it. I get that practice is only so long and prioritize. However, from a performance standpoint, if the goal of a warm up is to gain mobility in tight overused muscles and activate underused muscles to gain stability in joints, why would you then double down and hammer overworked muscles again with more position specific exercises? I'm sure it will help you in the short term, but you could be setting your guys up for injury. It sounds like to me that you should go through your normal warm up and get schedule more Indy time if you're guys need more technical work.
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Post by fballcoachg on Mar 8, 2017 11:08:09 GMT -6
Some good thoughts on both sides...I will say this. Yes we stretch but when we get off the bus or before a game at home and our kids are walking the field there is a lot of running, catching, "Odell" highlight catches, tag, catching punts etc. None of them stretch out that I know of and they are running pretty hard. I also don't remember the last time I saw a class stretch before an activity in gym. While I don't think we are akin to tigers I do think most teens are different than me going out trying to play old man pick up.
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Post by 3rdandlong on Mar 8, 2017 11:14:59 GMT -6
This may be a bit off-topic, but I hate indy time for the sake of indy time. Sometimes it's 20-30 minutes of drill work that isn't exactly applicable to what you're doing that day. I want all of our drill work to be applicable to the game of football. One of the things I've noticed is that often times kids don't see the drill as to how it relates to the game.
Honestly, I feel QB's and RB's working together on mesh drill for zone read is far more productive than running over some step over bags. And if you feel that those drills are very important, then you can incorporate them into your mesh drill.
I think WR's running some routes and catching the ball from a QB is way more valuable than running through a pre-determined pattern of cones or underneath a chute.
Same for defense. Working through run-fits and proper pursuit I feel is much more valuable than spending 20 minutes practicing a picture-perfect form tackle that is rarely utilized in a game.
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Post by M4 on Mar 8, 2017 12:41:24 GMT -6
We're moving away from a structured dynamic warm up and will be doing some active agility drills as our warm, one day a week cone agility starting at 50% transitioning to 100% speed over a 10 minute period, the other day doing an individual group based position specific footwork drills, again starting at 50% and moving to 100% over a 10 minute period. Just to play devils advocate, because if you feel more technical work is needed to improve your team then have at it. I get that practice is only so long and prioritize. However, from a performance standpoint, if the goal of a warm up is to gain mobility in tight overused muscles and activate underused muscles to gain stability in joints, why would you then double down and hammer overworked muscles again with more position specific exercises? I'm sure it will help you in the short term, but you could be setting your guys up for injury. It sounds like to me that you should go through your normal warm up and get schedule more Indy time if you're guys need more technical work. It's an experiment. We discussed it as a staff, some people like the idea, others are hesitant. We decided to go forward and give it a try. We'll see how it goes, we committed to 8 practices with it and then reevaluate if needed.
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Post by M4 on Mar 8, 2017 12:43:51 GMT -6
This may be a bit off-topic, but I hate indy time for the sake of indy time. Sometimes it's 20-30 minutes of drill work that isn't exactly applicable to what you're doing that day. I want all of our drill work to be applicable to the game of football. One of the things I've noticed is that often times kids don't see the drill as to how it relates to the game. Honestly, I feel QB's and RB's working together on mesh drill for zone read is far more productive than running over some step over bags. And if you feel that those drills are very important, then you can incorporate them into your mesh drill. I think WR's running some routes and catching the ball from a QB is way more valuable than running through a pre-determined pattern of cones or underneath a chute. Same for defense. Working through run-fits and proper pursuit I feel is much more valuable than spending 20 minutes practicing a picture-perfect form tackle that is rarely utilized in a game. I agree as well, we've moved more towards a 10 minute "indy" period followed by a 20 minute "group" period indy being, each position, alone, doing individual skills group being, QB and RB doing run mesh or QB and WR's throwing together etc etc. OL being the only position that typically stays in their indy longer before moving to group work.
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Post by TheFootballNerd on Mar 8, 2017 18:56:22 GMT -6
Our Coach makes a script for every practice and (most of the time) gives one to me. It'll say something like "Warm-ups 2:45-3:00" Like it's only supposed to take 15 minutes...They end up being done by almost 3:30. Because they take their sweet freaking time getting over to the field (Because they know they can, cause of warm-ups.) And they're talking and the self-stretches take the longest time on earth. Our HC usually has to pull something from his script because we're always behind schedule.
This is why I'm a fan of this. Doing some light Indy is a great way to start it.
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Post by CBNIndian on Mar 19, 2017 19:03:35 GMT -6
We go straight to bags. Got 2 sets of 4 bags laying on the ground and the kids split up in 2 groups. Sr's in the front. About 3-4 minutes of that then form tackle for the entire team. May take our offense while form tackle is going on and work on 2 minute offense. Then we go into Ext.Pt FG-Gline offense after that. Defense will have a teaching sessions with all that are left over at the other end of the field. After that we may go into some sort of team physical drill. No form run until practice on Thursday which is just a run through in the morning. We do form run before the game on Friday. No stretching at all unless it is in class. Stretch is mostly in the off season or summer..
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