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Post by fantom on Feb 19, 2017 23:10:37 GMT -6
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Post by agap on Feb 20, 2017 0:56:17 GMT -6
I had people tell me that I should be sprinting up and down the sidelines, yelling at everyone, jumping up and down, and doing whatever else to show emotion.
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Post by coachcb on Feb 20, 2017 8:37:44 GMT -6
I've never been able to stand still during a football game. I'm up and down the sideline, talking to the kids, hollering out adjustments, and trying to be as encouraging as possible. Football is one of those sports where kids can perform at a high level even when they're pretty fired up. Other sports are a different story.
I stay pretty calm and stoic when coaching track, wrestling, or basketball as these are sports that require more concentration and less energy in order to perform well. A wrestler doesn't need me jumping up and down from the edge of the mat to get the job done. In fact, their performance can drop significantly if they're energy level gets too high.
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Post by CoachJohnsonMN on Feb 20, 2017 9:26:42 GMT -6
I've never been able to stand still during a football game. I'm up and down the sideline, talking to the kids, hollering out adjustments, and trying to be as encouraging as possible. Football is one of those sports where kids can perform at a high level even when they're pretty fired up. Other sports are a different story. I stay pretty calm and stoic when coaching track, wrestling, or basketball as these are sports that require more concentration and less energy in order to perform well. A wrestler doesn't need me jumping up and down from the edge of the mat to get the job done. In fact, their performance can drop significantly if they're energy level gets too high. I see "calm is contagious" as a reaction to adversity. Yes, a football coach has controlled emotion but how do react when an opponent scores first or a referee blows an obvious call? I was amazed by how calm Bill Belichick was when down 28-3 in the Super Bowl....grab the pencil from behind the ear & not a note or two after down by 25. Then again easy to be that way with Tom Brady at QB.
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Post by coachcb on Feb 20, 2017 9:47:57 GMT -6
I've never been able to stand still during a football game. I'm up and down the sideline, talking to the kids, hollering out adjustments, and trying to be as encouraging as possible. Football is one of those sports where kids can perform at a high level even when they're pretty fired up. Other sports are a different story. I stay pretty calm and stoic when coaching track, wrestling, or basketball as these are sports that require more concentration and less energy in order to perform well. A wrestler doesn't need me jumping up and down from the edge of the mat to get the job done. In fact, their performance can drop significantly if they're energy level gets too high. I see "calm is contagious" as a reaction to adversity. Yes, a football coach has controlled emotion but how do react when an opponent scores first or a referee blows an obvious call? I was amazed by how calm Bill Belichick was when down 28-3 in the Super Bowl....grab the pencil from behind the ear & not a note or two after down by 25. Then again easy to be that way with Tom Brady at QB. We stay calm when it comes to adverse situations. If we're down big early, we make our adjustments, tell the kids to keep their eyes off of the scoreboard and just execute. We stay calm and upbeat about it to keep the kids' heads straight. The kids and staff know to keep their mouths shut with the officials. I will pull the official aside and gripe tactfully.
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Post by CoachSP on Feb 20, 2017 9:49:06 GMT -6
Especially dealing with high school kids. They watch your every move.
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Post by fantom on Feb 20, 2017 10:15:19 GMT -6
One thing that drives me crazy is when you're trying to get or give info but the guy on the phone is ranting about a bad play or bad call. It doesn't happen often-our guys are really good about it- but c'mon, man. We have to get ready for the next play. We have to get this call in. We need the kids to focus on the next play and not the last one.
Also, I think that when a coach overreacts in an adverse situation it gives the kids a vibe, "Well, now we're phuked. Better luck next time.".
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Post by bluboy on Feb 20, 2017 10:31:56 GMT -6
... We have to get ready for the next play. We have to get this call in. We need the kids to focus on the next play and not the last one. Also, I think that when a coach overreacts in an adverse situation it gives the kids a vibe, "Well, now we're phuked. Better luck next time.". I agree 100%. We are constantly telling our kids that this play is the most important play; we can't do anything about the last play. Our HC goes berserk if we rant/rave on the sideline. He wants us to keep coaching, with which I agree. I also think that when a coach overreacts to an adverse situation, it gives the kids an excuse and distracts them.
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Post by freezeoption on Feb 20, 2017 11:05:30 GMT -6
stay calm and coach
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Post by 44dlcoach on Feb 20, 2017 11:45:11 GMT -6
... We have to get ready for the next play. We have to get this call in. We need the kids to focus on the next play and not the last one. Also, I think that when a coach overreacts in an adverse situation it gives the kids a vibe, "Well, now we're phuked. Better luck next time.". I agree 100%. We are constantly telling our kids that this play is the most important play; we can't do anything about the last play. Our HC goes berserk if we rant/rave on the sideline. He wants us to keep coaching, with which I agree. I also think that when a coach overreacts to an adverse situation, it gives the kids an excuse and distracts them. We lost a game a few years ago where some questionable calls did not go our way in the last few minutes, almost all of us were complaining at the officials as it was happening. When we looked back on it later that night we all agreed that the way we handled it was embarrassing and that we had spent way too much time blaming somebody else in front of the team. We decided that night that we really needed to fix the problem, so we light heartedly put some stakes on the line: next person to question an official's call had to pay every coaches bar tab that week!
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Post by fantom on Feb 20, 2017 11:53:09 GMT -6
I agree 100%. We are constantly telling our kids that this play is the most important play; we can't do anything about the last play. Our HC goes berserk if we rant/rave on the sideline. He wants us to keep coaching, with which I agree. I also think that when a coach overreacts to an adverse situation, it gives the kids an excuse and distracts them. We lost a game a few years ago where some questionable calls did not go our way in the last few minutes, almost all of us were complaining at the officials as it was happening. When we looked back on it later that night we all agreed that the way we handled it was embarrassing and that we had spent way too much time blaming somebody else in front of the team. We decided that night that we really needed to fix the problem, so we light heartedly put some stakes on the line: next person to question an official's call had to pay every coaches bar tab that week! I don't know about your staff but here that would be a lot tougher than dropping a buck in the Swear Jar.
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Post by 44dlcoach on Feb 20, 2017 12:16:42 GMT -6
We lost a game a few years ago where some questionable calls did not go our way in the last few minutes, almost all of us were complaining at the officials as it was happening. When we looked back on it later that night we all agreed that the way we handled it was embarrassing and that we had spent way too much time blaming somebody else in front of the team. We decided that night that we really needed to fix the problem, so we light heartedly put some stakes on the line: next person to question an official's call had to pay every coaches bar tab that week! I don't know about your staff but here that would be a lot tougher than dropping a buck in the Swear Jar. Haha yes it was! Thankfully for a few weeks nobody questioned a call, but there was this giant financial weight hanging over everybody's head so we just all started calling each other out during the games trying to get somebody to take the hit and pay up. Finally in the third or fourth week after making the deal two guys questioned an official in the same game and they ended up splitting the tab. We kind of turned it into a fun thing, but we realized we needed to change the way we were acting on the sideline after the game we lost.
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Post by mariner42 on Feb 20, 2017 13:18:01 GMT -6
I agree 100%. We are constantly telling our kids that this play is the most important play; we can't do anything about the last play. Our HC goes berserk if we rant/rave on the sideline. He wants us to keep coaching, with which I agree. I also think that when a coach overreacts to an adverse situation, it gives the kids an excuse and distracts them. We lost a game a few years ago where some questionable calls did not go our way in the last few minutes, almost all of us were complaining at the officials as it was happening. When we looked back on it later that night we all agreed that the way we handled it was embarrassing and that we had spent way too much time blaming somebody else in front of the team. We decided that night that we really needed to fix the problem, so we light heartedly put some stakes on the line: next person to question an official's call had to pay every coaches bar tab that week! My HC is the only one who talks to the officials. Anyone who violates that gets sent to the booth to be on the headset with no one on the other end.
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Post by brophy on Feb 20, 2017 13:31:11 GMT -6
coach during the week, direct on game night.
if you have to be spastic on game day, something didn't get relayed correctly while preparing. No problem, just fix what is going wrong during the week (maybe practices aren't efficient enough).
Always be thinking PEOPLE - PROCESS - PERFORMANCE. If you have the right people (who aren't sabotaging you), then check the process you're using to produce the performance you expect.
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Post by realdawg on Feb 20, 2017 13:34:08 GMT -6
There is a difference in being loud and being calm. I can be in control and be loud. I am the DC. I don't even acknowledge refs calls. Not my job. But by god my corner on the far side of the field is gonna hear my voice if he isn't getting in the right trips adjustment. That's not be out of control. That's coaching your kid where he can hear you.
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Post by scottc on Feb 20, 2017 13:41:53 GMT -6
One thing that drives me crazy is when you're trying to get or give info but the guy on the phone is ranting about a bad play or bad call. It doesn't happen often-our guys are really good about it- but c'mon, man. We have to get ready for the next play. We have to get this call in. We need the kids to focus on the next play and not the last one. Also, I think that when a coach overreacts in an adverse situation it gives the kids a vibe, "Well, now we're phuked. Better luck next time.".
Worked with a younger staff couple of years ago that lived and died on the result of each play. Whether a questionable call or execution screw up. Every play was hats thrown, wild gestures, etc. In my older mellower years I feel like that Friday nights the coaches need to show the calmness. In the end the kids are looking for support or help when things are going bad in games and they look to us for the answers. If they detect panic etc in us doesnt give them much to latch on too IMO.
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Post by carookie on Feb 20, 2017 15:06:35 GMT -6
coach during the week, direct on game night. if you have to be spastic on game day, something didn't get relayed correctly while preparing. No problem, just fix what is going wrong during the week (maybe practices aren't efficient enough). Always be thinking PEOPLE - PROCESS - PERFORMANCE. If you have the right people (who aren't sabotaging you), then check the process you're using to produce the performance you expect. This x A LOT. I have always felt myself to be a pretty outgoing and fun guy, and I bring that to my profession. So during the week, when we are repping drills that could be a bit boring, then I'm gonna be the cruise director and make it a lil more exciting by being fun and excitable. Come Friday night, when players are nervous and on edge then me bouncing around too much would only push them over edge. That being written, I have to be careful about being too stoic or under controlled, because we want to repeat what we do during the week on game night, and if my attitude is too different it might not work.
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Post by brophy on Feb 20, 2017 15:17:45 GMT -6
I'm gonna be the cruise director and make it a lil more exciting by being fun and excitable. eh, direct as in the act of conducting... I teach you how to A We rep A a lot, so you feel comfortable. You get a muscle memory. You develop pattern recognition for A. You make an error executing A, you get corrected. We prepare you to do A within the context of how you will see it on Friday. reserve this for Tues - Thursday.....not needed on Friday If I did my job sufficiently on M-Th, all I have to do on Friday is press "play". Everything you need to know about A on Friday, I would have fully prepared you for, already. You don't need a hype man to perform. If I find that Friday night has a lot of exceptions, requiring my intervention, I need to re-evaluate what I think I'm doing during the week. That doesn't mean to deny your emotions, just don't be fooled thinking the intensity of your emotions equates to anything productive towards performance.
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Post by blb on Feb 20, 2017 15:58:44 GMT -6
Game night, be like a duck - calm on the surface but paddling like heck underneath.
Our kids knew they would only get yelled at if they blew an assignment (mental) or for lack of effort. And it would be on third time, just like with my own kids.
As far as officials - they never lose. They have the whistle and the flag. Right or wrong, no sense pizzing them off.
Never seen one of them change a call yet because a coach yelled loud or often enough.
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Post by CoachJohnsonMN on Feb 20, 2017 16:31:47 GMT -6
"just don't be fooled thinking the intensity of your emotions equates to anything productive towards performance."
But this completely goes against everything I have learned from movies.
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Post by fugulookinat on Feb 20, 2017 16:44:17 GMT -6
Don't take Rorke's comments out of context. He's not saying to not be passionate when you coach, you're in a fight, your emotions will be at a high level. What he's saying is when adversity comes, and it will, deal with it in a calm and relaxed manner....Don't lose your head in that moment, because your kids will mimic your reactions. I'm a Navy vet, and have been through the training, back then the catch phrase was "Palms Down", meaning we would deal with our adversity and never lay blame at another mans feet. Take ownership of the situation and encourage your team to persevere and move on to the next attainable goal, in football it's simply the next play. "Calm is Contagious " is the same type of catch phrase "Palms Down". Coach em hard.....but relax, you got this.
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Post by fantom on Feb 20, 2017 17:06:28 GMT -6
Don't take Rorke's comments out of context. He's not saying to not be passionate when you coach, you're in a fight, your emotions will be at a high level. What he's saying is when adversity comes, and it will, deal with it in a calm and relaxed manner....Don't lose your head in that moment, because your kids will mimic your reactions. I'm a Navy vet, and have been through the training, back then the catch phrase was "Palms Down", meaning we would deal with our adversity and never lay blame at another mans feet. Take ownership of the situation and encourage your team to persevere and move on to the next attainable goal, in football it's simply the next play. "Calm is Contagious " is the same type of catch phrase "Palms Down". Coach em hard.....but relax, you got this. Yeah, calm doesn't have to be quiet. It just means making sure that you're thinking straight and giving appropriate directions clearly. If you're normal boisterous players understand that that's just you being you. If you're normally quiet but go into full Yosemite Sam mode, that doesn't come off well.
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Post by carookie on Feb 20, 2017 17:25:22 GMT -6
I'm gonna be the cruise director and make it a lil more exciting by being fun and excitable. eh, direct as in the act of conducting... I teach you how to A We rep A a lot, so you feel comfortable. You get a muscle memory. You develop pattern recognition for A. You make an error executing A, you get corrected. We prepare you to do A within the context of how you will see it on Friday. reserve this for Tues - Thursday.....not needed on Friday If I did my job sufficiently on M-Th, all I have to do on Friday is press "play". Everything you need to know about A on Friday, I would have fully prepared you for, already. You don't need a hype man to perform. If I find that Friday night has a lot of exceptions, requiring my intervention, I need to re-evaluate what I think I'm doing during the week. That doesn't mean to deny your emotions, just don't be fooled thinking the intensity of your emotions equates to anything productive towards performance. Not quite sure what you are writing here; but I was agreeing with your initial point. Just like calm is contagious, so is enthusiasm, so I will be enthusiastic during the week. That enthusiasm can help carry some through the doldrums a bit. Come friday, I prefer a businesslike attitude, as the players tend to bring enough enthusiasm (although I have been places where they don't and a little enthusiasm is needed).
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Post by fasterthanthefly on Feb 20, 2017 18:08:00 GMT -6
I had people tell me that I should be sprinting up and down the sidelines, yelling at everyone, jumping up and down, and doing whatever else to show emotion. First of all...great article and video!!! This is how I coach. agap I have heard the same thing from some parents and even assistant coaches. When coaches do this it becomes "white-noise" to the players and they have no idea when a situation does become critical, when you do need to raise your voice to get their attention. My kids know...when coach raises his voice you better listen. Otherwise they tune you out if you do this all the time! FTTF
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Post by scottc on Feb 20, 2017 21:28:06 GMT -6
I've never been able to stand still during a football game. I'm up and down the sideline, talking to the kids, hollering out adjustments, and trying to be as encouraging as possible. Football is one of those sports where kids can perform at a high level even when they're pretty fired up. Other sports are a different story. I stay pretty calm and stoic when coaching track, wrestling, or basketball as these are sports that require more concentration and less energy in order to perform well. A wrestler doesn't need me jumping up and down from the edge of the mat to get the job done. In fact, their performance can drop significantly if they're energy level gets too high. Ive heard this too. I saw an article might have been at Alex Kirbys site "Are you a George Constanza Coach?" pretty much episode has George working at Yankees and everytime boss goes by he looked mad/irritated so they thought he was getting work done. Of course if you know Constanza it was just the opposite. Anyway article equated that to coaches who are hoopin hollering chewing out players in eyes of fan. Hey hes coaching. How many times have you heard 'coach needs to get them in locker room and chew them out' yeah that will help other team got 3 guys going to SEC schools and we re starting 7 10th graders. I crack the whip on friday night for lack of effort or bad mental errors [usually personell busts on kicking teams etc.] other than that its like the poster above. Im a duck. Calm on outside but paddling like heck on the inside.
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Post by coachcb on Feb 21, 2017 8:11:00 GMT -6
I've never been able to stand still during a football game. I'm up and down the sideline, talking to the kids, hollering out adjustments, and trying to be as encouraging as possible. Football is one of those sports where kids can perform at a high level even when they're pretty fired up. Other sports are a different story. I stay pretty calm and stoic when coaching track, wrestling, or basketball as these are sports that require more concentration and less energy in order to perform well. A wrestler doesn't need me jumping up and down from the edge of the mat to get the job done. In fact, their performance can drop significantly if they're energy level gets too high. Ive heard this too. I saw an article might have been at Alex Kirbys site "Are you a George Constanza Coach?" pretty much episode has George working at Yankees and everytime boss goes by he looked mad/irritated so they thought he was getting work done. Of course if you know Constanza it was just the opposite. Anyway article equated that to coaches who are hoopin hollering chewing out players in eyes of fan. Hey hes coaching. How many times have you heard 'coach needs to get them in locker room and chew them out' yeah that will help other team got 3 guys going to SEC schools and we re starting 7 10th graders. I crack the whip on friday night for lack of effort or bad mental errors [usually personell busts on kicking teams etc.] other than that its like the poster above. Im a duck. Calm on outside but paddling like heck on the inside. The kids know I'm p-ssed off when my tone goes flat. And, I have learned to give out a pretty serious message without getting worked up. We had chit effort during one half of a game and we were down by 21 to a team we should have been blowing out. I kept it together in the locker room as best I could. I sat all of the kids down, told them to be quiet and REALLY listen what I had to say. I then proceeded to tell them that I was beyond disappointed with the effort I was seeing and that those people who weren't giving us their all had better pick it up at the half or they'd be sitting the rest of the game. I did so without screaming or yelling at them: a flat, serious tone of voice. "If you don't get it done, I'll find someone who will". Most of them pulled it together and played harder but we benched two of them within a series or two. We lost the game by 7 points but it sent a message. The way I conveyed that message made a difference. I think we would have lost by a lot more and benched more kids had I screamed or yelled.
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Post by blb on Feb 21, 2017 8:26:52 GMT -6
If you are always yelling or loud, eventually the kids will tune you out, so even if your message is a valid one it will not be received.
You need to learn how to use your voice, can't be a robot. Must think about what you do and say. The more I coached I didn't raise my voice often but when I did the kids understood it was danm important.
It is not necessary to be a "juice" man to get your team ready to play Friday night. There are of course coaches who have success using dramatic or emotional means. Point is you don't have to be an actor of the method school to motivate.
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Post by cwaltsmith on Feb 21, 2017 8:38:04 GMT -6
Good stuff. Im an intense guy. I have learned that over the last 10 years, kids mental state have changed. When my coach got in my butt, it made me trying harder to please and bare down more. Kids today (alot of them) have never been yelled at in their entire life. They dont know how to handle it and they shut down. Coaching is not the same today as it was 10 to 15 years ago.
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Post by coachfloyd on Feb 21, 2017 8:41:44 GMT -6
Ive shattered my share of clip boards in my day. With that being said, when things go bad Ive found that its better to be calm and reassure the kids of what we are doing and in their ability. The only thing I go really nuts about is WR's jumping or not lining up correctly. That always sets me off. I had a boss a couple of years ago that would always say, "Guys work the problem."
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Post by coachcb on Feb 21, 2017 8:43:21 GMT -6
If you are always yelling or loud, eventually the kids will tune you out, so even if your message is a valid one it will not be received. You need to learn how to use your voice, can't be a robot. Must think about what you do and say. The more I coached I didn't raise my voice often but when I did the kids understood it was danm important. It is not necessary to be a "juice" man to get your team ready to play Friday night. There are of course coaches who have success using dramatic or emotional means. Point is you don't have to be an actor of the method school to motivate. Tale of two teams at a camp: We were playing in a round robin deal against two other teams. Both were Wing-t. Team 1: center misses his replacement block for the BSG on Bucksweep, BSG trips and play goes to hell. The center's footwork was poor and the OL coach screamed at him and told him to "be an athlete" even after the kid stated that he didn't know the footwork. He showed the kid the footwork but continued his ranting. This team didn't win a game all year. Team 2: center does the same thing as the center from Team 1. Again, bad footwork. The OL coach walks over, calmly demonstrates the footwork and sends the kid back out there. We lost to this team in the state title game several months later.
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