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Post by larrymoe on Feb 14, 2017 12:28:03 GMT -6
If you think your kids are actually paying attention to you, or understand what you are saying if they are, you have entirely different kids than I've ever encountered in my life. Most chalk time I've ever been a part of has been mostly beneficial in satisfying that coach's ego. Really? I think you have structured your chalk time completely wrong Never had one.
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Post by bdm on Feb 14, 2017 12:38:08 GMT -6
Need em. Classroom time is very important. Especially for install. More meetings earlier on in the season. At least once a week though is necessary. Assuming that no one learns from meetings and chalk is as ignorant as saying that no one learns from walk through. Each kid learns differently. Big picture thinkers will want to see the whole thing and it will make more sense for them there then it will just having them walk to a place on a field. But other kids will do much better physically working through it. Im all for a walk through as it is necessary. But I only want to do it before stretches and everything because once we stretch were full speed through the whole practice. Also if your kids can't pay attention in the class for football then what the heck are they doing in the classroom?? The meetings shouldnt be longer than a class period anyways but it can also serve as a way to help their study habits and attentiveness in class. When they behave in our football meetings and have good study habits in there then it helps translate to the classroom as well. They are shown and forced to behave correctly and unfortunately a lot of these kids haven't really been taught that. 1 last thing - if you don't have any meeting or chalk time because you don't think it helps them then what would happen to a kid that goes off to play in college?? How is he going to be able to learn and manage in those meetings if he doesn't understand how to read a whiteboard or watch film? I agree that having meetings in important to get the scheme and concepts down. I don't remember ever having meetings in high school where coach got up on the white board and went through plays. I played in college and we met for hours each day during camp and then had meetings during the season and I did just fine. Guys will adapt to whatever they need to adapt to however they need to adapt to it.
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Post by Wingtman on Feb 14, 2017 12:41:08 GMT -6
I once had a Hall of Fame coach in our state tell me "High School boys are thinking about one thing all day (you can guess what that is). If you're lucky enough to get their attention for two hours of practice, you're doing something right."
I'm kind of in the "no chalk talk" crew, because of that, and because we have the attention span of nats on coke.
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Post by newhope on Feb 14, 2017 13:21:53 GMT -6
Do you care to expand on this, because I have to completely disagree with that statement If you think your kids are actually paying attention to you, or understand what you are saying if they are, you have entirely different kids than I've ever encountered in my life. Most chalk time I've ever been a part of has been mostly beneficial in satisfying that coach's ego. The key is to keep it short--twenty minutes max. Most of the kids I've encountered do just fine in a 20 minute classroom session. You know, kind of like we demand that they do throughout the rest of their day, except better since it's coaches running the session and they know what the expectation is.
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Post by newhope on Feb 14, 2017 13:23:40 GMT -6
Really? I think you have structured your chalk time completely wrong Never had one. Just curious: if you've never had one, how would you possibly know whether they work or not?
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 14, 2017 13:33:49 GMT -6
Just curious: if you've never had one, how would you possibly know whether they work or not? I've never had one personally as a HC. Have been on staffs as a low level assistant that have had them and had them in college.
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Post by rsmith627 on Feb 14, 2017 13:37:49 GMT -6
I love how all of my posts that I think are dumbass questions turn into semi-controversial topics. Gotta love the offseason.
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Post by fcboiler87 on Feb 14, 2017 13:57:44 GMT -6
I've seen all kinds of things having worked under 8 different head coaches. I think you can get away with them if you keep them short. But as an HC myself it just wasn't my philosophy. I did just a brief chalk talk on day one of the summer to go over some things - less than 10 minutes - and then we hit the field and never looked back. Our DC would hold a weekly scouting report session and did have a hand out but this did not exceed 10 minutes either. We would always line things up on the field and walk through if it was new and then rep it out. We had our ups and downs but never once did I go back and think "man I wish we would have met more." Our issues were certainly not X/O related.
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Post by carookie on Feb 14, 2017 14:59:18 GMT -6
What about meeting time spent NOT on X & O stuff. I worked with a coach, and believe me this is not an exaggeration, who would spend over 2 hours a week (counting Saturdays) in meetings about other stuff: mostly attitude, gotta want it, stories about others who wanted it and made it, etc.
How much meeting time should we devote to non X & O stuff?
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Post by pvogel on Feb 14, 2017 16:33:05 GMT -6
Its really just like the classroom. Just like teaching government or english or something, except its way more interesting. Don't get why its so difficult to be productive.
Ya you don't wanna be just wingin it and drawing on the board as you go. Should be planned and carried out efficiently. Maybe a ppt slide or 2 of what youre installing and then some film. Or just some film in general. No longer than 45 mins or a longer class period. Get in, get out, get going. But it helps the visual learners and the big picture learners. Walk through is good for kinesthetic but some people need the visual. Ya the PST knows he is down blocking but what does a good one look like? Why is it essential to the play?
If your kids can't pay attention to 45 mins of football classroom I have a hard time imagining how they or their coaches function in the classroom.
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Post by carookie on Feb 14, 2017 17:05:01 GMT -6
Its really just like the classroom. Just like teaching government or english or something, except its way more interesting. Don't get why its so difficult to be productive. Ya you don't wanna be just wingin it and drawing on the board as you go. Should be planned and carried out efficiently. Maybe a ppt slide or 2 of what youre installing and then some film. Or just some film in general. No longer than 45 mins or a longer class period. Get in, get out, get going. But it helps the visual learners and the big picture learners. Walk through is good for kinesthetic but some people need the visual. Ya the PST knows he is down blocking but what does a good one look like? Why is it essential to the play? If your kids can't pay attention to 45 mins of football classroom I have a hard time imagining how they or their coaches function in the classroom. I think the difference is in how you evaluate. In my history class most of my evaluations are those that can be practiced in a typical classroom environment. In football you evaluate by playing, playing is physical (kinesthetic); whether you are a visual learner, auditory learner, or kinesthetic learner you are going to have to take a kinesthetic test come friday night (or whenever you play). Now, can some learn by being shown a film? Yes. But in the end the majority of what is being asked of them is kinesthetic; and as such there should be a proportional representation of our practice time matching our request of them. Now, can my players pay attention for 45 minutes a day? Of course. But asking them to go over on a ppt, film, white board, lecture, whatever for 45 minutes a day would not be conducive to getting them the best prepared for a kinesthetic evaluation (especially if I only have 3 hours a day to use). If the game were played by seeing which team can have the most players draw up everyone else's job on the whiteboard I'd spend more time doing that. As it is, I don't know if anyone would say that we should completely get rid of all meetings, rather what is the appropriate amount. Even those who are on the negative side of the idea of meeting do meet in different ways (mostly talking on the field). That being written I have been in programs that would meet in the classroom for 10+ a week during the season, and have found that this is NOT conducive to winning. I believe based on the time allotted most programs to work in season, and the complexity that most HS programs tend to operate at a more optimum number would be 45 minutes on Monday during the game week + a Saturday film review.
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Post by pvogel on Feb 14, 2017 17:14:07 GMT -6
Its really just like the classroom. Just like teaching government or english or something, except its way more interesting. Don't get why its so difficult to be productive. Ya you don't wanna be just wingin it and drawing on the board as you go. Should be planned and carried out efficiently. Maybe a ppt slide or 2 of what youre installing and then some film. Or just some film in general. No longer than 45 mins or a longer class period. Get in, get out, get going. But it helps the visual learners and the big picture learners. Walk through is good for kinesthetic but some people need the visual. Ya the PST knows he is down blocking but what does a good one look like? Why is it essential to the play? If your kids can't pay attention to 45 mins of football classroom I have a hard time imagining how they or their coaches function in the classroom. I think the difference is in how you evaluate. In my history class most of my evaluations are those that can be practiced in a typical classroom environment. In football you evaluate by playing, playing is physical (kinesthetic); whether you are a visual learner, auditory learner, or kinesthetic learner you are going to have to take a kinesthetic test come friday night (or whenever you play). Now, can some learn by being shown a film? Yes. But in the end the majority of what is being asked of them is kinesthetic; and as such there should be a proportional representation of our practice time matching our request of them. Now, can my players pay attention for 45 minutes a day? Of course. But asking them to go over on a ppt, film, white board, lecture, whatever for 45 minutes a day would not be conducive to getting them the best prepared for a kinesthetic evaluation (especially if I only have 3 hours a day to use). If the game were played by seeing which team can have the most players draw up everyone else's job on the whiteboard I'd spend more time doing that. As it is, I don't know if anyone would say that we should completely get rid of all meetings, rather what is the appropriate amount. Even those who are on the negative side of the idea of meeting do meet in different ways (mostly talking on the field). That being written I have been in programs that would meet in the classroom for 10+ a week during the season, and have found that this is NOT conducive to winning. I believe based on the time allotted most programs to work in season, and the complexity that most HS programs tend to operate at a more optimum number would be 45 minutes on Monday during the game week + a Saturday film review. Totally fair. And the saturday film plus 45 min is my money zone. Thats all I want. Im just arguing that I believe its essential and absolutely beneficial to get that time in.
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