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Post by redcoach on Feb 10, 2017 12:14:50 GMT -6
I was saying that about 20% of our boys go out for football each year. However half of the other schools who we play in sports have about the same amount of kids in their schools but have up to 40% of their boys going out for football.
What I'm saying is that our youth program wins and kids want to play on the team. The high school program losses and most of the time can't even score and its harder to get kids to come out for the team.
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Post by wingtol on Feb 10, 2017 12:16:23 GMT -6
Let's see a parent/booster/employee/alum advertising a head coach job and telling them what offense they need to run to get the job. Sounds like a dream where do I send my application...
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Post by CS on Feb 10, 2017 12:19:00 GMT -6
What if I brought the Facemelter? Would that be considered?
But seriously, you need a guy who can build a program, not an offense. Solid weight room numbers and good schemes of any kind will help
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Post by redcoach on Feb 10, 2017 12:24:14 GMT -6
Yes there are people that still care as much as I do but they are parents of younger kids that are looking to the future. Most of the parents at the high school level seems to have given up hope. So there is a mix of people in the community. I feel that the coaches we have had have other jobs and things going on and don't have or don't want to put in the time this job needs. Because where the program is currently it will be even more work to get everything in place to even start trying to build the program up.
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Post by fantom on Feb 10, 2017 12:24:26 GMT -6
I was saying that about 20% of our boys go out for football each year. However half of the other schools who we play in sports have about the same amount of kids in their schools but have up to 40% of their boys going out for football. What I'm saying is that our youth program wins and kids want to play on the team. The high school program losses and most of the time can't even score and its harder to get kids to come out for the team. i don't think that your goals here are realistic. Maybe some schools have those percentages but I doubt that many do. My school has an enrollment of 1600, which would give us about 800 boys. 40% would give us 320 players.
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Post by mnike23 on Feb 10, 2017 12:27:43 GMT -6
28 teachers in a 6-12 school in the upper middle western ohio. a local is the only one that has any sense to apply for that job. nobody from florida, texas, alabama, california, georgia, is applying for that. maybe someone from dayton, fort wayne, muncie, lima, toledo would apply as a last resort, getting back in the game, stepping stone. but seriously, its cold as hell there and not much if anything to do. winters suck, summer is like 8 weeks, its grey from october to april. it snows in march sometimes.
your school is 96.7% white golf is your best sport its ok. not every school where i coach is good at football either. I was the HC at a school with 3800 kids but 88% hispanic and my last fall as HC I ended with 28 kids on varsity( less than 10% of the boys(1600 boys). we won 6 games in 3 years, made the school more money in 3 seasons than they had in 25 yrs, new uniforms, new wt room, new, new, new, new, but JIMMIES N JOES matter....my 2nd year we had 1 kid over 6ft tall at a skill position.... feeder program has over 500 kids in it. but they dont like high school football....why, its hard, you have to come to summer workouts, you have to come on saturday, you have to be committed. there is no guarantee to play rules, coach yells, coach doesnt like me, etc.etc.etc.etc... red, football is not your guys thing. and your not the AD. let themm pick the coach. its not your job. drive the bus.
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Post by redcoach on Feb 10, 2017 12:29:08 GMT -6
I changed the main post to represent more what we really need in a coach.
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Post by fballcoachg on Feb 10, 2017 13:16:00 GMT -6
But put the right coach/leader - Who will get to know the kids - Who will recruit with in the school - Who will work with boys - Who will implement a good weight lifting program. - Who will put the right kids in the right spot. - Who will use a blocking scheme that our smaller lineman can execute. - Who will run an offense that our less skilled backs can run. - Who will work with the Jr High and Youth Programs - Who will stick it out and be in it for the long run - Who will spend the hours needed watching game film to help our kids to get better and to know our opponets - Who will be a leader and set the example We are a very small school with only 212 total kids 9th through 12th grade. So over the past few years our football team has averaged around 22 kids on the team. You and your buddies need to apply for the job or you need to get out of the way...since I highly doubt you'll do the latter, please apply and try to get the job. Seriously...otherwise you will just undercut the guy who gets it and provide excuses upon excuses. 1,2,3,9,10-all common expectations, should be taken care of by any half competent person period...I'm assuming they were more taken care of with the last few coaches than you believe 4-This is where you need to just be the coach or get out of the way...who decides if the right kids are in the right spot? Why is this being questioned? We lift 3 times a week for an hour and a half during the school year, lift and run 3 times a week for 2 hours in the summer, go to 4-5 7 on 7s, have 10 camp days that are 3 hours each, are in doubles for roughly 3 weeks, have 3 scrimmages, and practice 2 hours a night for 4 days a week in season...the coach has the best insight as to who should be where. 5-6-you claim your team has no talent but should be winning...not a coaching issue 7-agreed, but do you really want him to work WITH them or do what they want him to do??? You want a say/the dominant say and so do some of your friends and fellow youth coaches. 8-Why would he if all of the parents are constantly telling him what he should do, what he can't do, who he should play, and how he should operate? Believe it or not, there are many coaches that want to go somewhere and stay there for their careers, the climate you are describing isn't even one that many people will want to look at as a stepping stone due to the overreach of the adults not due to the lack of talent at the school. Your school doesn't have talent currently but clearly doesn't have a winning culture/atmosphere conducive to winning. This is more a community problem than it is a coach issue, it's the attitudes in the community of "wanting what is best" which is code word for "I know what is best and everyone should see that my way is best" and I will bad mouth anyone that doesn't succeed. Look at the successful small schools in your state...no one of any weight is telling Minster, Marion Local, Marion Pleasant, Coldwater, Liberty Benton, McComb, Covington or Mogadore coaches what to do, what kids to play where, or what scheme to run and being taken seriously. You know where that does happen?? Schools that lose like your school that want immediate results without giving genuine support or with a refusal to admit the sincere situation. Even in down years, those first schools mentioned are supported, on the whole coaches are allowed to coach and administration doesn't bend to the whim of every community member that thinks they know better. So I hope you genuinely apply or get out of the way, but being a roadblock, which your attitude and a clearly a certain portion of your community is, is not going to do anything to help. You will not get a coach of any form of quality by trying to dictate or insinuate that you have the winning blueprint and that their predecessors were all stubborn idiots (which your list implies), luckily for Ridgedale not all coaches in NW Ohio will read your post.
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Post by coachfloyd on Feb 10, 2017 13:36:33 GMT -6
You keep saying you dont want another guy who will just come in and do what they want. Thats what the head coach gets to freakin do. Why would any legitimate coach want to come there with obviously no athletes and then get told by the boosters to do things their way? Excuse me if Im not reading this thread correctly.
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Post by wiscohscoach on Feb 10, 2017 13:38:32 GMT -6
This has turned into one of the strangest threads I've ever witnessed here on Coachhuey.com
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 10, 2017 13:43:35 GMT -6
Why do any of you give a flying {censored} what they want out of their coach? It's their job, they can require whatever they want.
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Post by fantom on Feb 10, 2017 14:48:01 GMT -6
This has turned into one of the strangest threads I've ever witnessed here on Coachhuey.com Stick around.
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Post by seabass on Feb 10, 2017 15:09:12 GMT -6
Why do any of you give a flying {censored} what they want out of their coach? It's their job, they can require whatever they want. That is a fact and should be respected. Everyone should have the right to fail. Some people just don't even know what they don't know and that can be hard to watch, especially as a coach.
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Post by fantom on Feb 10, 2017 15:12:05 GMT -6
Why do any of you give a flying {censored} what they want out of their coach? It's their job, they can require whatever they want. Oh, I don't care. I'm only here for the entertainment value.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2017 15:12:07 GMT -6
I always laugh when somebody is complaining about their school's lousy football program and then say, "I've coached pee wee football, I'm thinking I might just take over the program myself." You do that, big fella.
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Post by wingtol on Feb 10, 2017 15:28:23 GMT -6
Reading a bit more and being a parent there you probably won't like this but it sounds like you have a genetics problem more than a coaching problem. 5 wins in 6 years makes it sound like there is more of a jimmy and joes problem than an X and O problem. Not trying to be a total dick but I have seen programs like this before where they are just physically out matched year after year. Go through coaches all the time and offenses but some places just don't have the dudes no matter what, that will kill you no matter what in HS football.
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Post by brophy on Feb 10, 2017 15:43:19 GMT -6
redcoach, what does your school's Track program look like? EDIT :.....whoa.... www.maxpreps.com/high-schools/ridgedale-rockets-(morral,oh)/football/all_time_roster.htm doesn't look like a healthy program going back to 2006 if you can only muster 30-some kids out for football (Fr-Sr)
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Post by blb on Feb 10, 2017 15:58:32 GMT -6
red, you obviously need to take the job.
You know what needs to be done.
Whether you know HOW to do it and the kids will go along with you, well...
Get back to us in a year or two.
Good luck!
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Post by redcoach on Feb 10, 2017 16:24:47 GMT -6
The Track team has had parents coaching it.
I know that two of the last 4 Head Coaches we have had haven't ever coached High School Football before. I can't say for a fact about the other two. We can't get a teacher coach to come because there are no teacher spots open. So you can't draw in a coach that would need to move.
The school has let the Head Coach do what he wants and guess what we have got.
School lets out at 3pm football players are told they should left until the coaches show up at 5pm. Guess who watches over them NO one, so most go home, go hang out at a stores, or goof off till the coaches show up. We have one pep rally each year for home coming. Coaches don't recruit with in the school because they don't get there till 5pm. There isn't and hasn't been no real structure to the program for the past 8 years, because of the people who have taken the HC job. I'm not saying that the people who took the job didn't feel like they tried or did what they could. I'm saying they didn't do what a Head Coach should and needs to.
It has came down to Aug with no coach so they just take anyone. That said what coach is going to move to a school and coach a team for only $5700 a year and no teaching job. Each time a coach quits they wait all the way till the last minute hoping a teaching job opens up. At that point they take who ever so that the boys still get to play football. After seeing this happen over and over again for the past 8 years, it has made me think that I may need to do something my self, because what has been going on isn't working. The people/coaches that have taken the job isn't taking care of the things that need to be taken care of and the school has just let them do what they want because that is all they can get for now.
Yes it still has the old coaches name on the website because they are hoping a teaching spot opens up and if not come Aug they will take whoever will take the job.
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Post by seabass on Feb 10, 2017 16:39:20 GMT -6
The Track team has had parents coaching it. I know that two of the last 4 Head Coaches we have had haven't ever coached High School Football before. I can't say for a fact about the other two. We can't get a teacher coach to come because there are no teacher spots open. So you can't draw in a coach that would need to move. The school has let the Head Coach do what he wants and guess what we have got. School lets out at 3pm football players are told they should left until the coaches show up at 5pm. Guess who watches over them NO one, so most go home, go hang out at a stores, or goof off till the coaches show up. We have one pep rally each year for home coming. Coaches don't recruit with in the school because they don't get there till 5pm. There isn't and hasn't been no real structure to the program for the past 8 years, because of the people who have taken the HC job. It has came down to Aug with no coach so they just take anyone. That said what coach is going to move to a school and coach a team for only $5700 a year and no teaching job. Each time a coach quits they wait all the way not to the wire hoping a teaching job opens up. At that point they take who ever so that the boys still get to play football. After seeing this happen over and over again for the past 8 years has made me think that I may need to do something my self because what has been going on isn't working. The people/coaches that have taken the job isn't doing anything on the list and the school has just let them do what they want because that is all they can get for now. Sounds like you might have talked yourself into applying. No special scheme is going to fix all of that but a person might be able to.
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Post by redcoach on Feb 10, 2017 16:42:05 GMT -6
So even though I have never coached High School Football I thought that I could at least try and get all the small thing on the list taken care of.
- Have practice right after school or a study hall and help with homework then have practice. - Get some kind of advanced PE/ life fitness/ weight lifting class started during school. - Work with the Middle School and youth coaches to try and get on the same page and run the same offense and defense - Go into the school and recruit - Have the seniors go door to door recruiting during the summer if need be. - Bring pep rallies back - Have the football team go to the grade school once or twice a month to help kids with reading or something - Take field trips with the team
All I'm saying is to get this program back on track because it has just been let go far too long.
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Post by Chris Clement on Feb 10, 2017 16:45:17 GMT -6
You have five kids in the same high school at the same time? I'm assuming "red coach" refers to your hair colour? Teasing, of course, but that's a little crazy.
But this is a really really dumb job posting. It's self-defeating, any good coaches will be spooked. Even good coaches who run a wing-T won't touch that ish.
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Post by redcoach on Feb 10, 2017 16:57:01 GMT -6
My own kids are 1st, 2nd, two 3rd, and 5th grades. So I have a few years till my kids are there, but something needs to be done before then.
Now you see why I was looking at stepping up and had made a few different posts asking for help so that I could do the best that I could. However I got told several times that I'm no coach and/or I don't know enough to do the job. So I then made this post knowing that any decent coach could get a better job somewhere else. So until a teaching job opens up that a coach would be willing to take we have what we have. So just let it keep going a long like it has been or step in and do something about it?
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Post by redcoach on Feb 10, 2017 17:05:26 GMT -6
Some of us parents have kids 7th grade down that will be in High School in a few years, so we want to get our program back on track. So we don't want the same kind of people/coaches who have been taking the job and doing what they have been.
If a real coach came to are school they would say OK you have a field, looker room, weight room, and kids but you do not have a Football program.
Long story short I have got crap for saying I could use some help so that I could try and step up and try to make a difference. I have also got crap for saying that we want a coach that does A, B, C and not X, W, Z. All because we don't want this joke of a program to continue.
So what do I do, because I'm wrong no matter what in a lot of your eye's? I can't sit by for another 8 years just watching and doing nothing.
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Post by 19delta on Feb 10, 2017 17:06:30 GMT -6
The Track team has had parents coaching it. I know that two of the last 4 Head Coaches we have had haven't ever coached High School Football before. I can't say for a fact about the other two. We can't get a teacher coach to come because there are no teacher spots open. So you can't draw in a coach that would need to move. The school has let the Head Coach do what he wants and guess what we have got. School lets out at 3pm football players are told they should left until the coaches show up at 5pm. Guess who watches over them NO one, so most go home, go hang out at a stores, or goof off till the coaches show up. We have one pep rally each year for home coming. Coaches don't recruit with in the school because they don't get there till 5pm. There isn't and hasn't been no real structure to the program for the past 8 years, because of the people who have taken the HC job. I'm not saying that the people who took the job didn't feel like they tried or did what they could. I'm saying they didn't do what a Head Coach should and needs to. It has came down to Aug with no coach so they just take anyone. That said what coach is going to move to a school and coach a team for only $5700 a year and no teaching job. Each time a coach quits they wait all the way till the last minute hoping a teaching job opens up. At that point they take who ever so that the boys still get to play football. After seeing this happen over and over again for the past 8 years, it has made me think that I may need to do something my self, because what has been going on isn't working. The people/coaches that have taken the job isn't taking care of the things that need to be taken care of and the school has just let them do what they want because that is all they can get for now. Yes it still has the old coaches name on the website because they are hoping a teaching spot opens up and if not come Aug they will take whoever will take the job. Apologies if I have missed this, but are you acting in an official capacity by posting the opening and the job description here? Or are you acting on your own? In other words, are you someone who is in a position to hire the next head coach? Or are you just taking it upon yourself as a community member to attract applicants?
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Post by redcoach on Feb 10, 2017 17:16:14 GMT -6
Will I do the hiring NO have I talked to the AD and school board about it yes. We have had three community meetings with the school about the future of our program over the past month and a half. At this time the school is taking applications. That said the one coach that applied backed out.
So no I'm not doing the hiring and I involved and know what is going on and being done and where we are in the process? Yes.
Can I say that our schools head football coach quit? Yes Can I say that our school is looking for a new head coach? Yes Can I say that the parents who go to the board meetings want A, B, and C out of our next head coach? Yes Do I know where we are in the process? Yes
But am I doing the hiring NO
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Post by brophy on Feb 10, 2017 17:20:33 GMT -6
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Post by redcoach on Feb 10, 2017 17:25:16 GMT -6
Thanks brophy that is an idea and at least something to look into.
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Post by Chris Clement on Feb 10, 2017 17:40:44 GMT -6
I feel for you, truly I do, so I'm trying to help you out here. At the clinic consider talking to current head coaches to see if you can get a tip on an assistant who'd come recommended and who'd be willing to help you build something. Someone who can be organized and put up with building something.
It will take a few years to get rolling. Your schemes have not been your problem, I'm confident of that. It seems like things are a bit of a mess right now over there, so you can right the ship by bringing in a guy and giving him a mandate to work without being questioned and harangued all the time. People fearing for their jobs do desperate things for short term reasons.
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Post by redcoach on Feb 10, 2017 17:55:41 GMT -6
Thanks Chris Clement I will look into doing just that.
We will need someone willing to walk into a school that really doesn't currently have a program and build it up from nothing. Which will be a lot of work up front, but I and a few other parents would be willing to help.
I was in the military so I don't have a problem following as long as I have confidence in who is leading. I will even do what I can to help and back them up. But that has not been the case for these past years.
I also understand that its going to take years. To be honest we're not even looking at going to the playoffs. That is so far off in our minds that we don't care about that right now. I would just like to get on the scoreboard and win a few games may be work our way up to winning half our games at some point. But again we know that this will take years, which is why we want a change now.
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