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Post by redcoach on Feb 9, 2017 18:26:08 GMT -6
Ridgedale High School 3165 Hillman-Ford Rd Morral Ohio 43337 www.ridgedale.k12.oh.us/But put the right coach/leader - Who will get to know the kids - Who will recruit with in the school - Who will work with boys - Who will implement a good weight lifting program. - Who will put the right kids in the right spot. - Who will use a blocking scheme that our smaller lineman can execute. - Who will run an offense that our less skilled backs can run. - Who will work with the Jr High and Youth Programs - Who will stick it out and be in it for the long run - Who will spend the hours needed watching game film to help our kids to get better and to know our opponets - Who will be a leader and set the example We are a very small school with only 212 total kids 9th through 12th grade. So over the past few years our football team has averaged around 22 kids on the team. Here are two other links with information about our school MaxPreps.com and Public School Review
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Post by vanden48 on Feb 10, 2017 9:20:59 GMT -6
Why is running the wing-t a prerequisite to apply? I am at a very small school and run the EnZone system and have averaged over 48 points a game. Find a good coach and let him run what he is comfortable running.
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Post by **** on Feb 10, 2017 9:26:41 GMT -6
Why is running the wing-t a prerequisite to apply? I am at a very small school and run the EnZone system and have averaged over 48 points a game. Find a good coach and let him run what he is comfortable running. At least now you know not to apply! Better than getting the job and finding out in August
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Post by spos21ram on Feb 10, 2017 9:38:27 GMT -6
Let the HC decide what he wants to run once he sees the talent level and strengths of his personnel.
Going off your other thread, beggars can't be choosers. If you get a qualified coach interested, let him make these decisions.
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Post by redcoach on Feb 10, 2017 9:49:16 GMT -6
We have had 4 different Head Coaches over the past 8 years, which ran what they wanted. That said two different coaches tried running the spread and it just doesn't work for us. Another tried running the power I and well we don't have the lineman for it. For our school some offenses just don't work. There for, I would like a Head Coach that is more on the same page as we are. Not saying other offenses can't do well with the right program/kids.
The last good coach/team ( over 12 years ago) we had ran the Wing-T. We went to the playoffs 4 different years. So we know the Wing-T fits our school and kids. We are done getting coaches to come here that just want to experiment with our kids and program.
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Post by Chris Clement on Feb 10, 2017 9:57:09 GMT -6
And where do you fit in with this program?
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Post by jrk5150 on Feb 10, 2017 10:27:05 GMT -6
I'm just casually wondering, if you hire a coach who runs Wing T and you still don't have success, will the next posting require Double Wing?
Personally, I'd start with a good coach and work from there. Scheme is pretty much the least important element of having a winning program. It's amazing how many good programs have coaches who miraculously stumble on the best scheme for their program - gee, I wonder how that happens?
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Post by redcoach on Feb 10, 2017 10:40:37 GMT -6
School Alumni School employee Community Member Parent to five kids that currently attend the school One of only a few people that really care enough about the school to attend the school board meetings A booster club member A Youth Football coach for our 4th, 5th, and 6th graders Someone how has been seriously considering taking the job my-self if we can't find a good Head Coach.
My family, friends, my-self, have all went here and its the only school that my kids have went to sense kindergarten. We want to see this school and its sports do well, so my self and a few others are very involved. All that said, we already know that the odds are we will not find a Head Coach who is going to come to this school and care more about it and our kids then we do.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Feb 10, 2017 10:41:21 GMT -6
We have had 4 different Head Coaches over the past 8 years, which ran what they wanted. That said two different coaches tried running the spread and it just doesn't work for us. Another tried running the power I and well we don't have the lineman for it. For our school some offenses just don't work. There for, I would like a Head Coach that is more on the same page as we are. Not saying other offenses can't do well with the right program/kids. The last good coach/team ( over 12 years ago) we had ran the Wing-T. We went to the playoffs 4 different years. So we know the Wing-T fits our school and kids. We are done getting coaches to come here that just want to experiment with our kids and program. maybe those guys just suck at coaching?
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Post by redcoach on Feb 10, 2017 10:59:43 GMT -6
Maybe they aren't good coaches, maybe they ran what they new and not what would work best for the kids we have. I have seen people on here say run what your know. I have seen people say run the offense that best fits your kids. I have seen so many different post that everyone seems to have their own idea of what works and doesn't work. I do believe some coaches fit better in some programs then others. So I can't really say if the last 4 coaches couldn't do better with a different program, all I can say is that they weren't able to do anything with ours.
All that said I know its going to be very hard to get a good coach to come to our school. The last good coach we had at our school had 4 really good years and then moved on to a bigger school with a bigger football program. We are in the last division with very few kids to even have a football team. We have won 5 games in 6 years so we are as low as you can go for Ohio football. The only place to go from here is up. So in my opinion we are a school that is going to get a coach that no one wants or that is just starting out.
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Post by carookie on Feb 10, 2017 11:01:30 GMT -6
School Alumni School employee Community Member Parent to five kids that currently attend the school One of only a few people that really care enough about the school to attend the school board meetings A booster club member A Youth Football coach for our 4th, 5th, and 6th graders Someone how has been seriously considering taking the job my-self if we can't find a good Head Coach. My family, friends, my-self, have all went here and its the only school that my kids have went to sense kindergarten. We want to see this school and its sports do well, so my self and a few others are very involved. All that said, we already know that the odds are we will not find a Head Coach who is going to come to this school and care more about it and our kids then we do. Then why further limit your search to someone who runs a very specific offense? Why not have that (bolded text) be your top criteria as opposed to running a very specific scheme? Look, I get it, you had a guy who was successful doing something; so you mistakenly attach his success to one aspect of what he did. But your criteria makes two assumptions that are most likely false. 1) That your successful coaches success was primarily due to the offense he runs. There are a lot of smart HS coaches on here who will all tell you the same thing: your X's and O's (specific scheme) are not the main reason for success. This is mostly media hype to sell the idea of a 'genius coach/schemer'; it doesnt work that way. 2) That the kids in your school are somehow different than others, and uniquely suited to run the wing-T. You have to realize that you are mistakenly attaching the key to success that you once had, as well as your recent failures, to a scheme. But there are many other variables out there that play a larger role: quality of coaching, player talent, opposition, etc. You certainly don't think the New England Patriots would mandate that their next HC be required to wear hoodies with cutoff sleeves just because they once had a successful coach do it? I guarantee you there is a coach out there who is willing to love your kids and care deeply that they grow into quality men, that they work hard, fly right, and strive to be a success on and off the field. I pray that you don't lose the opportunity to hire that coach based on something as irrelevant as his specific offensive scheme.
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Post by rsmith627 on Feb 10, 2017 11:12:20 GMT -6
I'll come there and run the Wing-T. I have zero experience and very little knowledge of it.
Just kidding. I wouldn't come there for any amount of money for that level of micromanaging from boosters, most of whom will likely not know dick about football (not trying to imply that the OP doesn't know what he is talking about).
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Post by redcoach on Feb 10, 2017 11:17:00 GMT -6
You have really good points Carookie and I don't think that the Wing-T offense is the only offense that will work. I also don't think that you can have any one coach and run the Wing-T and it will work. I really do know that there are a lot of other things that all add up to being successful. I don't have all the answers and the I guess it would be better to say
We would like to field a Running Offense designed for a 22 man football team with smaller players." - We don't have the athletes to run a spread offense. - We don't have the lineman to run the power I.
Would that be better?
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Post by mnike23 on Feb 10, 2017 11:21:33 GMT -6
ive read the threads. brother, you cant say that running the wing t is a prerequisite to coaching at your school. 1st-are you doing the hiring 2nd-maybe the AD/Principal would like a say so in it.
I have ran the wing t for 15+ years, spread for 8, been a DC, OC, HC, ran specials, and every position on the field. no parent is telling me what offense I will run.
I will run what I see fits to the kids. and thats that. any coach that has some sense will say the same dam thing. you cant force an offense that you like because billy jo bob said it was good and you saw some youtube videos on it and it looks neat.
it doesnt matter if tubby raymond himself is coming in there with bruce cobleigh and denny creehan running positions and chuck klausing and rich erydeli too.... said it in other thread----jimmies n joes. you may not be a wing t team. not much to pick from in 212 kids in school. maybe option is better maybe a spread guy that can teach it well comes in and lights teams up.
you want a good coach, dont make some absurd assumptions that wing t is the only offense that can be ran at your school....
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Post by CS on Feb 10, 2017 11:24:24 GMT -6
Why don't you just take the job yourself? Run the wing-t and be done with it.
For what it's worth unless those schemes the other guys ran were unsound grab bag horse sh!t that wasn't the problem. Maybe the talent just isn't there anymore.
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Post by rsmith627 on Feb 10, 2017 11:25:12 GMT -6
Snark aside, it sounds like whatever panel that hired the last several HCs should be replaced too. They aren't doing a very good job if it has been that bad.
Any offense can win anywhere if you know how to tweak it and put whatever dudes you do have in a position to be successful.
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Post by blb on Feb 10, 2017 11:25:40 GMT -6
I'm not unsympathetic red, but -
If you only have 22 kids total 9-12 in the program playing 11-man Football, I don't think who the coach is or what offense he runs will matter.
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Post by redcoach on Feb 10, 2017 11:28:24 GMT -6
I understand rsmith627 but you also have to look at it from our end of things as well. We have had coaches come and go doing things their way just to leave and didn't help build anything. It finally gets to a point were you get tired of people coming in doing things their way and it doesn't work and they leave having done nothing. This has went on for 8 years. People has had their kids go all the way through high school with the same thing year after year. This is our school, this is our community, these are our kids. So yes you finally get to the point were you start looking into things your self. Some times you have to look at things in a way that no one is going to do as good of a job as you will if you really care about something so much that you will put any amount of time into it in order to make it happen. But yes we have been just sitting back letting each coach do their thing for 8 years and 4 coaches and well its not working.
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Post by mnike23 on Feb 10, 2017 11:34:17 GMT -6
was on your website, the jobs not even posted? shows you have a football coach? red, im not sure this is the best way to find a football coach. you may be tired of this that and the 3rd, but no coach in their right mind is gonna walk into that situation and feel comfortable. you cant build chicken salad out of chicken chit...regardless.... again jimmies n joes. its not a football school. pretty evident. it is what it is.
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Post by dbeck84 on Feb 10, 2017 11:37:35 GMT -6
We have had 4 different Head Coaches over the past 8 years, which ran what they wanted. That said two different coaches tried running the spread and it just doesn't work for us. Another tried running the power I and well we don't have the lineman for it. For our school some offenses just don't work. There for, I would like a Head Coach that is more on the same page as we are. Not saying other offenses can't do well with the right program/kids. The last good coach/team ( over 12 years ago) we had ran the Wing-T. We went to the playoffs 4 different years. So we know the Wing-T fits our school and kids. We are done getting coaches to come here that just want to experiment with our kids and program. Is there a CoachHuey Hall of Fame? If not, we need to create one just for this post.
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Post by **** on Feb 10, 2017 11:43:42 GMT -6
IMO if you've won 5 games in 6 years you have a weight room problem and not a football problem.
No athletes = No wins
Average athletes with sound scheme = A decent year
A lot of athletes = A lot of wins
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Post by redcoach on Feb 10, 2017 11:45:13 GMT -6
blb half the schools we play are the same size school we are. To be 100% honest I think only 3 other schools that we play are larger schools then us. So is't not like all the other schools we are playing have far more kids to pull from. That being said most of them have more kids coming out for the team. We have kids that don't want to go out for football because "we suck", " we never win", "I don't want to get hurt for basketball", "I don't like the coach", and so on. Currently about 20% or less of our boys go out for football. Yet this is a lot higher at the youth level, but we win at the youth level.
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Post by mnike23 on Feb 10, 2017 12:01:07 GMT -6
212 total kids how many boys? half? so 106 boys in school 20% would be around 20 kids which is what you have.
youth level winning does not constitute wins at high school. when you have an over developed 4th grader or a 9 yr old 2nd grader that is on weight, but is older lighter, what does 90% of those mite might coaches do....run some type of single wing/wildcat, my kid is faster than anyone on the field and he can chase down every person in the league.....
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Post by redcoach on Feb 10, 2017 12:04:53 GMT -6
We have all kinds of problems and none of the last 4 coaches that was allowed to run things their way has fixed any of them.
Everyone one I talk to in person and on the internet can pick on this and that. The point out things that are wrong, which I could make a list that went on and on, but most of that falls on the head coach. Because at our school we have let them run things their way, but its not working.
Everything I try to think of or do, everyone is quick to say they wont work. But no one is coming up with things to help, no one else is stepping up to the plate. I not the kind of person that gives up on things, I'm not going to give up on our school, program, or kids. Some not all but some people in our community just feel nothing will work.
But put the right person/coach/leader in the role that will get to know the kids - Who will recruit with in the school - Who will work with boys - Who will implement a good weight lifting program. - Who will put the right kids in the right spot. - Who will use a blocking scheme that our smaller lineman can execute. - Who will run an offense that our less skilled backs can run. - Who will work with the Jr High and Youth Programs - Who will stick it out and be in it for the long run - Who will be a leader and set the example
This is the kind of coach we need not a cocky guy that just say I will do what I want.
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Post by blb on Feb 10, 2017 12:05:27 GMT -6
blb half the schools we play are the same size school we are. To be 100% honest I think only 3 other schools that we play are larger schools then us. So is't not like all the other schools we are playing have far more kids to pull from. That being said most of them have more kids coming out for the team. We have kids that don't want to go out for football because "we suck", " we never win", "I don't want to get hurt for basketball", "I don't like the coach", and so on. Currently about 20% or less of our boys go out for football. Yet this is a lot higher at the youth level, but we win at the youth level.
That was my point. It's not your enrollment, it's your participation.
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Post by fantom on Feb 10, 2017 12:08:07 GMT -6
"I don't want to get hurt for basketball" That's the one that I was looking for. Maybe no football coach will have a chance there until something gets straightened out with the basketball coach. Other than that, they all come straight from "The Big Book of Excuses", which kids don't even have to read anymore because it's all on YouTube.
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Post by StraightFlexin on Feb 10, 2017 12:10:32 GMT -6
Sound like a cancer job! Run this offense to be like the last guy that was successful which was over a decade ago. Total nightmare
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Post by CS on Feb 10, 2017 12:11:13 GMT -6
blb half the schools we play are the same size school we are. To be 100% honest I think only 3 other schools that we play are larger schools then us. So is't not like all the other schools we are playing have far more kids to pull from. That being said most of them have more kids coming out for the team. We have kids that don't want to go out for football because "we suck", " we never win", "I don't want to get hurt for basketball", "I don't like the coach", and so on. Currently about 20% or less of our boys go out for football. Yet this is a lot higher at the youth level, but we win at the youth level. Youth participation is higher at every school and then falls off. We had 90 kids out for 7th-grade football this year and probably 15-20 will make it to their senior year.
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Post by mnike23 on Feb 10, 2017 12:11:33 GMT -6
ohsaa website says 338 students. with a declining enrollment every year since 2010.
boys golf was the only team I saw that had wins in the fall.
is it by chance that your school isnt an athletic school? said it before, square peg round hole. regardless of what YOU want, maybe its not a priority for anyone else....
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Post by mnike23 on Feb 10, 2017 12:13:04 GMT -6
"I don't want to get hurt for basketball" That's the one that I was looking for. Maybe no football coach will have a chance there until something gets straightened out with the basketball coach. Other than that, they all come straight from "The Big Book of Excuses", which kids don't even have to read anymore because it's all on YouTube. except the basketball team is 0-16 this year......
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