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Post by aceback76 on Feb 10, 2017 14:14:52 GMT -6
Unmotivated men hesitate to "lay their bodies on the line" be in warfare, or football (a FORM of warfare)! This quote has been attributed to many great military leaders, AND football coaches! I coached in close to 500 games in my career (HS & College) and found it to be invariably true for US! "The mental is to the physical as 4 is to 1" I never said unmotivated. My point is that motivation can vary and in some cases lead to intensity without fostering team morale. The original question was how do you find morale in film. Your answer was that it is easy to find morale by the team that plays with the most intensity. I don't think that is always the case. I think morale and motivation are both important but pertaining to the question of how you find morale on film, I do not believe it it simply comes down to intensity. Sorry you are unable to see it on film. I can SEE it on film (when we grade EFFORT)!!!
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Post by Defcord on Feb 10, 2017 14:23:32 GMT -6
I never said unmotivated. My point is that motivation can vary and in some cases lead to intensity without fostering team morale. The original question was how do you find morale in film. Your answer was that it is easy to find morale by the team that plays with the most intensity. I don't think that is always the case. I think morale and motivation are both important but pertaining to the question of how you find morale on film, I do not believe it it simply comes down to intensity. I can SEE it on film!!! Ok. Is there anything besides intensity that displays morale? I am not trying to be argumentative, I am being inquisitive. It's easy to quantify turnovers, but how do others besides you recognize morale to make your original post applicable?
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Post by aceback76 on Feb 10, 2017 14:32:40 GMT -6
Ok. Is there anything besides intensity that displays morale? I am not trying to be argumentative, I am being inquisitive. It's easy to quantify turnovers, but how do others besides you recognize morale to make your original post applicable? Being ABLE to see this is acquired through experience of the coach, grading an individual & not just watching the path of the ball on film I never thought there were any questions about highly motivated individuals always giving their best for the welfare of the TEAM! Don't know how many MORE indicators you expect from a player!!! Notice the definition of "MORALE" (below) includes "team spirit" (& other things BESIDES "intensity")! mo·rale noun the confidence, enthusiasm, and discipline of a person or group at a particular time. "their morale was high" synonyms: confidence, self-confidence, self-esteem, spirit(s), team spirit, enthusiasm
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Post by Defcord on Feb 10, 2017 15:03:31 GMT -6
Ok. Is there anything besides intensity that displays morale? I am not trying to be argumentative, I am being inquisitive. It's easy to quantify turnovers, but how do others besides you recognize morale to make your original post applicable? Respectfully, how many years have you coached, & on what levels? Being ABLE to see this is acquired through experience of the coach, grading an individual & not just watching the path of the ball on film I never thought there were any questions about highly motivated individuals always giving their best for the welfare of the TEAM! Don't know how many MORE indicators you expect from a player!!! Notice the definition of "MORALE" (below) includes "team spirit"! mo·rale noun the confidence, enthusiasm, and discipline of a person or group at a particular time. "their morale was high" synonyms: confidence, self-confidence, self-esteem, spirit(s), team spirit, enthusiasm I have coached 14 years at both high school and college levels. Admittedly still learning the intricacies of this game on a multitude of levels. I hope to never stop learning whether I have coached 100 games or 500 games. I understand the idea of morale and I think it is different than motivation. Is it possible for a player to be highly motivated and play without enthusiasm? Morale includes enthusiasm. There are players that will play hard because they are conditioned to through consequences. The players that played for Coach Knight played hard but they weren't all enthusiastic about the experience. That is just one example where a player has intensity in the playing field and may not have high morale because he dreads the experience. I know how to watch film without watching the ball. I do not know how to find morale. I do think I can find who is playing hard or not. Is morale simply playing hard or is it more than that?
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Post by aceback76 on Feb 10, 2017 15:38:27 GMT -6
Respectfully, how many years have you coached, & on what levels? Being ABLE to see this is acquired through experience of the coach, grading an individual & not just watching the path of the ball on film I never thought there were any questions about highly motivated individuals always giving their best for the welfare of the TEAM! Don't know how many MORE indicators you expect from a player!!! Notice the definition of "MORALE" (below) includes "team spirit"! mo·rale noun the confidence, enthusiasm, and discipline of a person or group at a particular time. "their morale was high" synonyms: confidence, self-confidence, self-esteem, spirit(s), team spirit, enthusiasm I have coached 14 years at both high school and college levels. Admittedly still learning the intricacies of this game on a multitude of levels. I hope to never stop learning whether I have coached 100 games or 500 games. I understand the idea of morale and I think it is different than motivation. Is it possible for a player to be highly motivated and play without enthusiasm? Morale includes enthusiasm. There are players that will play hard because they are conditioned to through consequences. The players that played for Coach Knight played hard but they weren't all enthusiastic about the experience. That is just one example where a player has intensity in the playing field and may not have high morale because he dreads the experience. I know how to watch film without watching the ball. I do not know how to find morale. I do think I can find who is playing hard or not. Is morale simply playing hard or is it more than that? I don't know your "purpose" in all those questions, but motivation (precedes morale) & morale are the same to me, period!. Take this up with Clements - he's still struggling to learn the game & loves to debate!
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Post by Chris Clement on Feb 10, 2017 15:40:28 GMT -6
This is really starting to sound like an accidental case of confirmation bias.
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Post by blb on Feb 10, 2017 16:11:53 GMT -6
Okay, aceback -
Assuming you are correct:
How did you coach "Morale"?
How did that help you defeat teams that had equally "high" morale?
Did you just have better players than those teams?
Or did you just out-coach them?
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Post by silkyice on Feb 10, 2017 16:27:40 GMT -6
Okay, aceback - Assuming you are correct: How did you coach "Morale"? How did that help you defeat teams that had equally "high" morale? Did you just have better players than those teams? Or did you just out-coach them? Pre-game warmups - duh. Pre-game speech. Double duh Half-time speech. Triple duh. Don't you watch football movies. Oh, I bet when you watch them you just watch the ball.
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Post by blb on Feb 10, 2017 16:40:28 GMT -6
Okay, aceback - Assuming you are correct: How did you coach "Morale"? How did that help you defeat teams that had equally "high" morale? Did you just have better players than those teams? Or did you just out-coach them? Pre-game warmups - duh. Pre-game speech. Double duh Half-time speech. Triple duh. Don't you watch football movies. Oh, I bet when you watch them you just watch the ball.
One of the best teams I had in 31 years as a head coach never said "Boo" during Pre-Game Warmups, or otherwise.
Just went about their business.
In fact, they would chuckle at teams that did all the whooping, hollering, chants, etc.
But - once the ball was in the air, man - you could HEAR them play.
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Post by silkyice on Feb 10, 2017 17:00:01 GMT -6
Pre-game warmups - duh. Pre-game speech. Double duh Half-time speech. Triple duh. Don't you watch football movies. Oh, I bet when you watch them you just watch the ball.
One of the best teams I had in 31 years as a head coach never said "Boo" during Pre-Game Warmups, or otherwise.
Just went about their business.
In fact, they would chuckle at teams that did all the whooping, hollering, chants, etc.
But - once the ball was in the air, man - you could HEAR them play.
So you are just admitting that you are just watch the ball kind of coach?
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Post by agap on Feb 10, 2017 17:30:33 GMT -6
What's the 6 second interval in practice?
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Post by Defcord on Feb 10, 2017 19:08:08 GMT -6
I have coached 14 years at both high school and college levels. Admittedly still learning the intricacies of this game on a multitude of levels. I hope to never stop learning whether I have coached 100 games or 500 games. I understand the idea of morale and I think it is different than motivation. Is it possible for a player to be highly motivated and play without enthusiasm? Morale includes enthusiasm. There are players that will play hard because they are conditioned to through consequences. The players that played for Coach Knight played hard but they weren't all enthusiastic about the experience. That is just one example where a player has intensity in the playing field and may not have high morale because he dreads the experience. I know how to watch film without watching the ball. I do not know how to find morale. I do think I can find who is playing hard or not. Is morale simply playing hard or is it more than that? I don't know your "purpose" in all those questions, but motivation (precedes morale) & morale are the same to me, period!. Take this up with Clements - he's still struggling to learn the game & loves to debate! The purpose of my questions were to distinguish if there is a difference between motivation and morale. If the answer is no and both simply are observed through players playing hard, then I agree that intensity is vital to the game. If on the other hand there is an added dynamic to morale beyond simply playing hard, I was wondering how to observe that to gain an advantage whether it come from opponent scouting or self scouting.
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Post by Defcord on Feb 10, 2017 19:13:47 GMT -6
This is really starting to sound like an accidental case of confirmation bias. I am probably guilty of this, wasn't my intention.
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Post by Chris Clement on Feb 11, 2017 10:07:02 GMT -6
I have coached 14 years at both high school and college levels. Admittedly still learning the intricacies of this game on a multitude of levels. I hope to never stop learning whether I have coached 100 games or 500 games. I understand the idea of morale and I think it is different than motivation. Is it possible for a player to be highly motivated and play without enthusiasm? Morale includes enthusiasm. There are players that will play hard because they are conditioned to through consequences. The players that played for Coach Knight played hard but they weren't all enthusiastic about the experience. That is just one example where a player has intensity in the playing field and may not have high morale because he dreads the experience. I know how to watch film without watching the ball. I do not know how to find morale. I do think I can find who is playing hard or not. Is morale simply playing hard or is it more than that? I don't know your "purpose" in all those questions, but motivation (precedes morale) & morale are the same to me, period!. Take this up with Clements - he's still struggling to learn the game & loves to debate!
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Post by wiscohscoach on Feb 11, 2017 11:25:37 GMT -6
So what we've learned in this thread...
Ace can see something nobody else can on film. He is confirmed ultimate supreme ruler.
End thread.
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Post by silkyice on Feb 11, 2017 18:08:27 GMT -6
I don't know your "purpose" in all those questions, but motivation (precedes morale) & morale are the same to me, period!. Take this up with Clements - he's still struggling to learn the game & loves to debate! Yep. I bet you just watch the ball when you watch film.
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