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Post by redcoach on Feb 7, 2017 12:31:20 GMT -6
Hi all
I had posted this in the Offense forums, but its not just an offence question, so I think I should have posted it here. Anyway I'm posting it here now. Sorry
First I will give you a little insight.
- Our school is a small school averaging about 53 total students per grade. - We average about 18 to 26 kids on the football team each year. - We have went through 5 coaches over the past 10 years. - Each coach brings in a different offense, the last one was the spread. - We have won 5 total games over the past 6 years.
Yes this school/program is in need of help. Last years coach has just quit so we are in need of another coach. That said the school doesn't have a lot of money and there are no teaching positions open. The last few coaches had other full time jobs so they were doing good to start practice at 5pm each night.
All this said I'm self employed and I drive school bus for the school. I played football in high school and have always been a very big fan of the game. However the only coaching that I have done was a few years at the grade school level with 3rd grade through 5th grade.
So I know that I'm not really the best person for the job, however so far its not looking good for our football program. There for, I'm really thinking of taking on this task and what all I could try and to to help this program.
Some of the things that I think that I could offer are
- Be available to start practice by 3:30pm everyday after school. - Help with scheduling pep rallies. - Help find schools to play during our football season and or scrimmages. - Be available during school hours from time to time in order to try and recruit new players with in the school. - Have all our games recorded - Watch game film to try and find ways that we can improve. - Drive (bus) the team to and from all away games. - Work with the junior high and elementary school football programs and coaches in order to build the high school football program for the future.
Things that I would like to implement
- I would like to be able to pay a highlight video of the game from the week before on the lunchroom TV on Fridays during lunch hours.
- I would like for an advanced PE/weightlifting class to be offered during school hours. If we don't have the personnel/staff available to cover a class like this for one or two periods a day, then as the head coach I would be willing to do it. (Currently any and all weightlifting is done after school so very few kids really do it.)
- Some kind of yearly team field trips to help build moral and team relationships.
Over all goal
- Work with the school, coaches, parents, and players to build our football program up.
Now we get to my Questions to all of you.
With so little support and very few kids to pick from, who hasn't been training and conditioning the way they should have been.
Oh and we may have all new coaches as well.
What would be the best Offence and Defense to run?
I have been checking out the 425 Defense, I really like everything that I have read and see about it so far.
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Post by mnike23 on Feb 7, 2017 12:34:00 GMT -6
posted in other spot, but will here too...
jimmies n joes brother....x an o doesnt matter if you cant______
your not gonna run spread with no qb your not gonna run the I with a small OL your not gonna run 4 man front with 3 DL kids
find out who you have personnel wise, what they do best and then fit scheme around that. from the sounds of it, you dont have alot of kids. in my years of coaching, your going to need a ball control offense and play smart, simple, sound defense. keep away from the other team, shorten the game to possessions, not time. run the play clock to 1 and snap, type of game. make it a 10 possession game.
with that being said, im not sure you know exactly what your getting yourself into. the things you have written above all seem like things that need to be done, but honestly.....the head coach is CEO, President, COO, fundraiser, field painter, laundry guy, order of equipment, equipment guy, grass mower, stat keeper, hudl operator, community liason, head of rectuiting, dean of discipline, dad to all, father of none. your looking at your life being pretty much flipped upside down in terms of time committment, caring for a program, fixing what seems to be broken. your home life will be turned around as well. kiss personal time good bye. you will be texting kids, talking to coaches, watching game film, turning laundry over, mowing the field, for weeks on end. friday night games turn into saturday morning films to sunday gameplans for a solid august thru november. throw in offseason workouts, both 3 and 4 day variety from jaunary to july and now you are a football coach fulltime and a husband/father/golfer/pickup hoops/business man part time. you will be selecting coaches, debating with them for hours on end about what to do with joey who was a jerk in class today and whether or not you should run the wing T and have a shot or hunh like those guys in oregon.
if it were just coaching monday thru friday from 3-6 and playing friday nights, would def be the best job ever.... but its not that. its alot more. more than I have said here... this is just a taste.....
being the HC isnt all its cracked up to be, but also is 1 of the greatest things I have ever, ever done. and the hardest....
good luck.
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Post by redcoach on Feb 7, 2017 12:53:22 GMT -6
Thanks for the reply mnike23 and I understand what your saying.
The problem is that we haven't had a real full time coach in over 8 years. So the ball is getting dropped with most of everything that you have listed and has been for the past 8 years. Plus at this point no one else is stepping up. I also have 3 boys of my own (3rd and 5th graders) who goes to this school and I would like for there to be a nice football program for them when they get to high school. I don't have all the answers, but someone needs to do the job right and as of the past 8 years it hasn't been happening.
We can't heir a full time coach We don't have a teaching position open to heir a teaching coach Most of the people have full time jobs and say they don't have time for it
I would love for a real coach to come take our program over and turn things around. However, that don't seem likely and we don't have a lot of options right now. Plus I really don't want another person taking it on, part time, after work, and really not putting their heart into it. The boys on that field and the program deserves more then that.
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Post by mnike23 on Feb 7, 2017 13:01:53 GMT -6
your in a tough boat brother.
im not saying dont jump in, but it will be with both feet. and, its a tough gig. with 5 wins in 6 years it sounds like its really tough.
from the sounds of it, the school system either doenst care for a winner or it isnt a priority.
whats the home crowds like? who gets that money? if its football, then they care. i can almost promise its the athletic dept. they keep all the revune to pay for other sports... whats the dominnant sport at school? theres 1 at every school, wrestling, girls basketball, baseball, soccer, etc... maybe try and get with that coach and see what they are doing to be as good as they are?
tough job it sounds like.
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Post by redcoach on Feb 7, 2017 13:09:27 GMT -6
Yes the athletic dept gets it Yes they use it for all the sports The home crowed is small because of the lack of wins. However back in the yearly 2000's when we went to the playoffs 4 different years there were all kinds of people coming to the games. That coach moved on to another school and our program hasn't done anything sense.
Football makes the most money (more people go to watch football), But basketball has more players. The school does well at basketball and baseball.
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Post by spos21ram on Feb 7, 2017 13:34:44 GMT -6
posted in other spot, but will here too... jimmies n joes brother....x an o doesnt matter if you cant______ your not gonna run spread with no qb your not gonna run the I with a small OL your not gonna run 4 man front with 3 DL kids find out who you have personnel wise, what they do best and then fit scheme around that. from the sounds of it, you dont have alot of kids. in my years of coaching, your going to need a ball control offense and play smart, simple, sound defense. keep away from the other team, shorten the game to possessions, not time. run the play clock to 1 and snap, type of game. make it a 10 possession game. with that being said, im not sure you know exactly what your getting yourself into. the things you have written above all seem like things that need to be done, but honestly.....the head coach is CEO, President, COO, fundraiser, field painter, laundry guy, order of equipment, equipment guy, grass mower, stat keeper, hudl operator, community liason, head of rectuiting, dean of discipline, dad to all, father of none. your looking at your life being pretty much flipped upside down in terms of time committment, caring for a program, fixing what seems to be broken. your home life will be turned around as well. kiss personal time good bye. you will be texting kids, talking to coaches, watching game film, turning laundry over, mowing the field, for weeks on end. friday night games turn into saturday morning films to sunday gameplans for a solid august thru november. throw in offseason workouts, both 3 and 4 day variety from jaunary to july and now you are a football coach fulltime and a husband/father/golfer/pickup hoops/business man part time. you will be selecting coaches, debating with them for hours on end about what to do with joey who was a jerk in class today and whether or not you should run the wing T and have a shot or hunh like those guys in oregon. if it were just coaching monday thru friday from 3-6 and playing friday nights, would def be the best job ever.... but its not that. its alot more. more than I have said here... this is just a taste..... being the HC isnt all its cracked up to be, but also is 1 of the greatest things I have ever, ever done. and the hardest.... good luck. I agree will all you said, but some of those coaching duties you speak of are rarities. I know there are some, but it's very unlikely that high school coaches are going to be required to mow the grass and line fields.
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Post by fantom on Feb 7, 2017 13:48:10 GMT -6
posted in other spot, but will here too... jimmies n joes brother....x an o doesnt matter if you cant______ your not gonna run spread with no qb your not gonna run the I with a small OL your not gonna run 4 man front with 3 DL kids find out who you have personnel wise, what they do best and then fit scheme around that. from the sounds of it, you dont have alot of kids. in my years of coaching, your going to need a ball control offense and play smart, simple, sound defense. keep away from the other team, shorten the game to possessions, not time. run the play clock to 1 and snap, type of game. make it a 10 possession game. with that being said, im not sure you know exactly what your getting yourself into. the things you have written above all seem like things that need to be done, but honestly.....the head coach is CEO, President, COO, fundraiser, field painter, laundry guy, order of equipment, equipment guy, grass mower, stat keeper, hudl operator, community liason, head of rectuiting, dean of discipline, dad to all, father of none. your looking at your life being pretty much flipped upside down in terms of time committment, caring for a program, fixing what seems to be broken. your home life will be turned around as well. kiss personal time good bye. you will be texting kids, talking to coaches, watching game film, turning laundry over, mowing the field, for weeks on end. friday night games turn into saturday morning films to sunday gameplans for a solid august thru november. throw in offseason workouts, both 3 and 4 day variety from jaunary to july and now you are a football coach fulltime and a husband/father/golfer/pickup hoops/business man part time. you will be selecting coaches, debating with them for hours on end about what to do with joey who was a jerk in class today and whether or not you should run the wing T and have a shot or hunh like those guys in oregon. if it were just coaching monday thru friday from 3-6 and playing friday nights, would def be the best job ever.... but its not that. its alot more. more than I have said here... this is just a taste..... being the HC isnt all its cracked up to be, but also is 1 of the greatest things I have ever, ever done. and the hardest.... good luck. I agree will all you said, but some of those coaching duties you speak of are rarities. I know there are some, but it's very unlikely that high school coaches are going to be required to mow the grass and line fields. Depends where you are. I've never lined a field in my life but at some places it's just a part of the job. From what the OP said I have a hunch that that school is one.
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Post by humble on Feb 7, 2017 14:00:08 GMT -6
posted in other spot, but will here too... jimmies n joes brother....x an o doesnt matter if you cant______ your not gonna run spread with no qb your not gonna run the I with a small OL your not gonna run 4 man front with 3 DL kids find out who you have personnel wise, what they do best and then fit scheme around that. from the sounds of it, you dont have alot of kids. in my years of coaching, your going to need a ball control offense and play smart, simple, sound defense. keep away from the other team, shorten the game to possessions, not time. run the play clock to 1 and snap, type of game. make it a 10 possession game. with that being said, im not sure you know exactly what your getting yourself into. the things you have written above all seem like things that need to be done, but honestly.....the head coach is CEO, President, COO, fundraiser, field painter, laundry guy, order of equipment, equipment guy, grass mower, stat keeper, hudl operator, community liason, head of rectuiting, dean of discipline, dad to all, father of none. your looking at your life being pretty much flipped upside down in terms of time committment, caring for a program, fixing what seems to be broken. your home life will be turned around as well. kiss personal time good bye. you will be texting kids, talking to coaches, watching game film, turning laundry over, mowing the field, for weeks on end. friday night games turn into saturday morning films to sunday gameplans for a solid august thru november. throw in offseason workouts, both 3 and 4 day variety from jaunary to july and now you are a football coach fulltime and a husband/father/golfer/pickup hoops/business man part time. you will be selecting coaches, debating with them for hours on end about what to do with joey who was a jerk in class today and whether or not you should run the wing T and have a shot or hunh like those guys in oregon. if it were just coaching monday thru friday from 3-6 and playing friday nights, would def be the best job ever.... but its not that. its alot more. more than I have said here... this is just a taste..... being the HC isnt all its cracked up to be, but also is 1 of the greatest things I have ever, ever done. and the hardest.... good luck. I agree will all you said, but some of those coaching duties you speak of are rarities. I know there are some, but it's very unlikely that high school coaches are going to be required to mow the grass and line fields. I've coached at the 3A level in Louisiana and Arkansas. Only a select few schools didn't have to paint their lines or mow their field. Usually due to them having turf. Aside from that it's very common.
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Post by redcoach on Feb 7, 2017 15:39:10 GMT -6
Our school has a grounds keeper that keeps the grass cut and the lines painted. You have to remember our head coach only gets paid $5000 a year, he doesn't get a monthly income.
From everything that I have read/researched I was leaning towards
Wing-T - for Offence - I was thinking that we would need to control the clock as much as we could, so having a running offense would work for that. I also like the idea of cross or down blocking. Plus having 4 back share the ball might work out best for our small school with most kids playing both ways. I also like the idea that you could play in a shotgun and add a lot more passing in if at some point in time down the road that you got a nice passing QB.
425 - for Defense - I really like how this defense can be used against the spread, trips, and the run. I like the idea that you can have it so your players can just make simple reads, so they can focus on trying to play fast.
These are just my thoughts
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Post by badtotheflexbone on Feb 7, 2017 18:43:20 GMT -6
I think the hardest thing is finding good, reliable, hardworking/loyal assistants. You can only do so much as one person. Good luck sir
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Post by 53 on Feb 7, 2017 19:36:27 GMT -6
Since you don't have a lot of experience coaching, I'd be looking for a simple offense and defense from a box.
Your biggest struggle is going to be finding quality assistants. Find three guys that you trust and then teach them what you want football wise.
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Post by mnike23 on Feb 8, 2017 7:31:59 GMT -6
posted in other spot, but will here too... jimmies n joes brother....x an o doesnt matter if you cant______ your not gonna run spread with no qb your not gonna run the I with a small OL your not gonna run 4 man front with 3 DL kids find out who you have personnel wise, what they do best and then fit scheme around that. from the sounds of it, you dont have alot of kids. in my years of coaching, your going to need a ball control offense and play smart, simple, sound defense. keep away from the other team, shorten the game to possessions, not time. run the play clock to 1 and snap, type of game. make it a 10 possession game. with that being said, im not sure you know exactly what your getting yourself into. the things you have written above all seem like things that need to be done, but honestly.....the head coach is CEO, President, COO, fundraiser, field painter, laundry guy, order of equipment, equipment guy, grass mower, stat keeper, hudl operator, community liason, head of rectuiting, dean of discipline, dad to all, father of none. your looking at your life being pretty much flipped upside down in terms of time committment, caring for a program, fixing what seems to be broken. your home life will be turned around as well. kiss personal time good bye. you will be texting kids, talking to coaches, watching game film, turning laundry over, mowing the field, for weeks on end. friday night games turn into saturday morning films to sunday gameplans for a solid august thru november. throw in offseason workouts, both 3 and 4 day variety from jaunary to july and now you are a football coach fulltime and a husband/father/golfer/pickup hoops/business man part time. you will be selecting coaches, debating with them for hours on end about what to do with joey who was a jerk in class today and whether or not you should run the wing T and have a shot or hunh like those guys in oregon. if it were just coaching monday thru friday from 3-6 and playing friday nights, would def be the best job ever.... but its not that. its alot more. more than I have said here... this is just a taste..... being the HC isnt all its cracked up to be, but also is 1 of the greatest things I have ever, ever done. and the hardest.... good luck. I agree will all you said, but some of those coaching duties you speak of are rarities. I know there are some, but it's very unlikely that high school coaches are going to be required to mow the grass and line fields. where do you coach at, because I want to come there. Ive been a head coach or coordinator for the last 13 years. every place I have been someone on the football staff has taken care of both of those things. Ive mowed more practice fields and gamefields than I care to speak of. as far as lining the field, again, where do yo coach at. I want to go there. other than 2 seasons of coaching on turf, the football staff lines the field. whos going to do it? the athletic director? or some kids in a PE class? i took care of my fields for this reason. when a team walks into my stadium, what is the first thing they see? the field. the stands, the locker rooms. if its a pile of crap, that measn you dont give a dam about it and I can bet your on field play is similar. if its nice, taken care of, that means you do give a dam and the on the field is probably the same. now again, jimmies n joes play that part. but at least I could be respected for having the nicest turf in the area.
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Post by mnike23 on Feb 8, 2017 7:34:21 GMT -6
Our school has a grounds keeper that keeps the grass cut and the lines painted. You have to remember our head coach only gets paid $5000 a year, he doesn't get a monthly income. From everything that I have read/researched I was leaning towards Wing-T - for Offence - I was thinking that we would need to control the clock as much as we could, so having a running offense would work for that. I also like the idea of cross or down blocking. Plus having 4 back share the ball might work out best for our small school with most kids playing both ways. I also like the idea that you could play in a shotgun and add a lot more passing in if at some point in time down the road that you got a nice passing QB. 425 - for Defense - I really like how this defense can be used against the spread, trips, and the run. I like the idea that you can have it so your players can just make simple reads, so they can focus on trying to play fast. These are just my thoughts agree with you man. the 4-2-5 defense is great. my only issue would be having the rotation of kids on the dline. need atleast 6 and with your numbers htat may be an issue.
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Post by huddlehut on Feb 8, 2017 8:04:12 GMT -6
The Wing-T is the way to go! Run a few plays well (basic wing-t package/series) from a lot of formations. Be simple but look complex.
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Post by spos21ram on Feb 8, 2017 8:13:20 GMT -6
I agree will all you said, but some of those coaching duties you speak of are rarities. I know there are some, but it's very unlikely that high school coaches are going to be required to mow the grass and line fields. where do you coach at, because I want to come there. Ive been a head coach or coordinator for the last 13 years. every place I have been someone on the football staff has taken care of both of those things. Ive mowed more practice fields and gamefields than I care to speak of. as far as lining the field, again, where do yo coach at. I want to go there. other than 2 seasons of coaching on turf, the football staff lines the field. whos going to do it? the athletic director? or some kids in a PE class? i took care of my fields for this reason. when a team walks into my stadium, what is the first thing they see? the field. the stands, the locker rooms. if its a pile of crap, that measn you dont give a dam about it and I can bet your on field play is similar. if its nice, taken care of, that means you do give a dam and the on the field is probably the same. now again, jimmies n joes play that part. but at least I could be respected for having the nicest turf in the area. Little ole Rhode Island. Game field including our practice field are cut and lined regulary by our school/town maintenance employees. The field is always set up and prepped for us on game day too.
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Post by coachchambers on Feb 8, 2017 8:20:54 GMT -6
Wing-T is what you want, do not try and over complicate
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Post by mnike23 on Feb 8, 2017 9:06:18 GMT -6
where do you coach at, because I want to come there. Ive been a head coach or coordinator for the last 13 years. every place I have been someone on the football staff has taken care of both of those things. Ive mowed more practice fields and gamefields than I care to speak of. as far as lining the field, again, where do yo coach at. I want to go there. other than 2 seasons of coaching on turf, the football staff lines the field. whos going to do it? the athletic director? or some kids in a PE class? i took care of my fields for this reason. when a team walks into my stadium, what is the first thing they see? the field. the stands, the locker rooms. if its a pile of crap, that measn you dont give a dam about it and I can bet your on field play is similar. if its nice, taken care of, that means you do give a dam and the on the field is probably the same. now again, jimmies n joes play that part. but at least I could be respected for having the nicest turf in the area. Little ole Rhode Island. Game field including our practice field are cut and lined regulary by our school/town maintenance employees. The field is always set up and prepped for us on game day too. nice. 19 high schools, with #20 being built for next fall right now, where I live. 3 turf fields in county right now. the goal (from what I have heard) is that all 20 schools will get turf. 1 at a time, starting with the fields that are in worst shape and spend the most money on field maintenence up to the 17th that is pristine-being last. that field, is like agusta national. it doesnt need turf! wish I didnt have to spend 3-10 hrs a week doing that stuff.
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Post by redcoach on Feb 8, 2017 10:38:33 GMT -6
Our school has a grounds keeper that keeps the grass cut and the lines painted. You have to remember our head coach only gets paid $5000 a year, he doesn't get a monthly income. From everything that I have read/researched I was leaning towards Wing-T - for Offence - I was thinking that we would need to control the clock as much as we could, so having a running offense would work for that. I also like the idea of cross or down blocking. Plus having 4 back share the ball might work out best for our small school with most kids playing both ways. I also like the idea that you could play in a shotgun and add a lot more passing in if at some point in time down the road that you got a nice passing QB. 425 - for Defense - I really like how this defense can be used against the spread, trips, and the run. I like the idea that you can have it so your players can just make simple reads, so they can focus on trying to play fast. These are just my thoughts agree with you man. the 4-2-5 defense is great. my only issue would be having the rotation of kids on the dline. need atleast 6 and with your numbers htat may be an issue. Well we wont know till we see who all comes out for football. I'm hearing that 27 boys are saying that they are coming out for football next year. That said they range from 9th to 12th grade, so some are going to be really small to be starting. But who knows if all 27 will come out and how many will need to play both ways. However it would be nice if we could have enough to switch in and out.
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Post by redcoach on Feb 8, 2017 10:56:24 GMT -6
As for Offense it sounds like I might be on the right track with the Wing-T. The only other Offense that even stood out to be was the Double Wing. Is one or the other better for a small school like ours or not really? As of right now we haven't had a passing game in the past few years. That said you never know what the future holds.
I have never seen a DW offense in person but I was watching some Youtube video's and they made it look unstoppable. Now I know anything can be stopped but I'm just saying it looked like it could be a really productive offense that could be hard to stop.
That said the Wing-T didn't look quit as dominant in the video's, but it looked as if you could change it up more. For example, if you don't have a passing QB you could be mostly a running team. However if you got a good QB from time to time. Then you could change things up a bit and add more passing and even play out of the shotgun.
Please correct me if I'm wrong about any of this. I just want to pick the right offense for use and start getting all the information I can about it. I really want to study it so that I know it in side and out before I start trying to teach it to others.
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Post by spos21ram on Feb 8, 2017 11:10:49 GMT -6
A couple years ago we ran the double wing and it was extremely simple and very effective. Our freshmen ran it the best. They ran about 6 plays, won every game by 30 or more (we were loaded with good RB's). The reason I'm suggesting the DW though is because the simplicity of the blocking scheme. Counter and Power were blocked the same exact way up front. Wedge is simple to teach as well.
Whatever offense you decide on, it just has to be simple enough where it can be repped over and over again. You may have low numbers and low talent, but they'll play above expectations if thet are perfect in everything that doesn't require talent. Knowing their blocking rules and consistently executing them to a T will go a long way.
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Post by fantom on Feb 8, 2017 11:14:32 GMT -6
As for Offense it sounds like I might be on the right track with the Wing-T. The only other Offense that even stood out to be was the Double Wing. Is one or the other better for a small school like ours or not really? As of right now we haven't had a passing game in the past few years. That said you never know what the future holds. I have never seen a DW offense in person but I was watching some Youtube video's and they made it look unstoppable. Now I know anything can be stopped but I'm just saying it looked like it could be a really productive offense that could be hard to stop. That said the Wing-T didn't look quit as dominant in the video's, but it looked as if you could change it up more. For example, if you don't have a passing QB you could be mostly a running team. However if you got a good QB from time to time. Then you could change things up a bit and add more passing and even play out of the shotgun. Please correct me if I'm wrong about any of this. I just want to pick the right offense for use and start getting all the information I can about it. I really want to study it so that I know it in side and out before I start trying to teach it to others. Don't take this the wrong way but if the only thing that you know about an offense is what you see on YouTube my best advice would be: DO NOT TAKE THIS JOB. You're not remotely ready to be a HC and everything that see here has "disaster" written all over it. This could be the most miserable year of your life and everybody involved may very well end up mad at everyone else. If you do take the job, I'd recommend that you run Wing T. There are a lot or resources available for it and you're going to need as much info as you can get. Good luck.
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Post by mnike23 on Feb 8, 2017 11:19:04 GMT -6
wing t ball control, lots of misdirection, lots of angle blocking(easier than base man blocks), simple to teach, hard to stop. can shorten the game to possessions. will make bad team avg, avg to good, good to great, and so on. its the most common offense in high school football. you can multiple formation it 100/900, red/blue, flip and flop wing and TE. trips them some and so on and so forth.
double wing isnt that much different. other than, its more of a power offense. its power, super power, toss sweep, counter and for the most part thats about it. some wedge . i believe you can do the same thing in the wing t. you can run double wing(red) and run power/super power and be very good at it.
another option for you is this; split back veer. its basically 3 plays. its easy to install. its boring, methodical and all those things. but it works. and when it doesnt work, it still works. you dont need horses to run it and hogs in the front. you need kids that are tough. a qb that can take a beating and get up and pitch the ball. when it doesnt work you install midline as defense will do some things to give blocking schemes fits.
just another thought.
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Post by mnike23 on Feb 8, 2017 11:23:55 GMT -6
As for Offense it sounds like I might be on the right track with the Wing-T. The only other Offense that even stood out to be was the Double Wing. Is one or the other better for a small school like ours or not really? As of right now we haven't had a passing game in the past few years. That said you never know what the future holds. I have never seen a DW offense in person but I was watching some Youtube video's and they made it look unstoppable. Now I know anything can be stopped but I'm just saying it looked like it could be a really productive offense that could be hard to stop. That said the Wing-T didn't look quit as dominant in the video's, but it looked as if you could change it up more. For example, if you don't have a passing QB you could be mostly a running team. However if you got a good QB from time to time. Then you could change things up a bit and add more passing and even play out of the shotgun. Please correct me if I'm wrong about any of this. I just want to pick the right offense for use and start getting all the information I can about it. I really want to study it so that I know it in side and out before I start trying to teach it to others. Don't take this the wrong way but if the only thing that you know about an offense is what you see on YouTube my best advice would be: DO NOT TAKE THIS JOB. You're not remotely ready to be a HC and everything that see here has "disaster" written all over it. This could be the most miserable year of your life and everybody involved may very well end up mad at everyone else. If you do take the job, I'd recommend that you run Wing T. There are a lot or resources available for it and you're going to need as much info as you can get. Good luck. spot on. thats why I said what I did above. its not as easy as just putting an offenSe out there and a defense, that you learned off a video and go play.. there is so much more to being the guy in charge. with 27 or 127. its backbreaking, heart aching, lonely being the boss. but....can be the most rewarding thing you have ever done. i would think hard and long about this.
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Post by coachchambers on Feb 8, 2017 11:37:56 GMT -6
As for Offense it sounds like I might be on the right track with the Wing-T. The only other Offense that even stood out to be was the Double Wing. Is one or the other better for a small school like ours or not really? As of right now we haven't had a passing game in the past few years. That said you never know what the future holds. I have never seen a DW offense in person but I was watching some Youtube video's and they made it look unstoppable. Now I know anything can be stopped but I'm just saying it looked like it could be a really productive offense that could be hard to stop. That said the Wing-T didn't look quit as dominant in the video's, but it looked as if you could change it up more. For example, if you don't have a passing QB you could be mostly a running team. However if you got a good QB from time to time. Then you could change things up a bit and add more passing and even play out of the shotgun. Please correct me if I'm wrong about any of this. I just want to pick the right offense for use and start getting all the information I can about it. I really want to study it so that I know it in side and out before I start trying to teach it to others. My opinion is run a methodical wing t, pound the rock but keep it simple. Run a few base plays and run them well. I would look up the Deleware Wing T stuff or there is a huge thread on here about a simple wing t. I would suggest running Trap, Buck Sweep, Belly, and Dive. If you want to get fancy and think they could handle it you could add in power, down which is fullback power with the psg, and rocket/pitch. Then passing wise I would try and get a handle on getting a PA for every run, and maybe three drop backs. Good luck
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Post by southidcoach on Feb 8, 2017 12:44:29 GMT -6
I don't want to discourage you but you do not sound prepared to walk into a situation as dire as the one you describe. If the school has become a revolving door of coaches it is going to require much more than a good scheme. I recommend you find an experienced coaching staff near you and try to work with them for a year or two at the very least. I know it feels like you would be bailing on the local school but you are not the right guy for the job right now. That doesn't mean you can't become the right guy for the job.
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Post by redcoach on Feb 8, 2017 12:53:08 GMT -6
Thanks for your honesty southidcoach
I have thought about that, but I have found that its hard to get into other programs around here, because they promote with in from the grade school guys on up. Now I might be able to get in with another grade school coaching staff, but then I don't think I will get out of it what I'm needing.
Its sad not any of the other schools around who have coaches at all levels wants to come coach here. I haven't taken the job yet, because I keep looking for other options. While at the same time if I do I really want to have everything I need to do it the best I can.
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Post by veerfan on Feb 8, 2017 14:18:30 GMT -6
Little ole Rhode Island. Game field including our practice field are cut and lined regulary by our school/town maintenance employees. The field is always set up and prepped for us on game day too. nice. 19 high schools, with #20 being built for next fall right now, where I live. 3 turf fields in county right now. the goal (from what I have heard) is that all 20 schools will get turf. 1 at a time, starting with the fields that are in worst shape and spend the most money on field maintenence up to the 17th that is pristine-being last. that field, is like agusta national. it doesnt need turf! wish I didnt have to spend 3-10 hrs a week doing that stuff. There isn't a parent group or booster club that could help take the burden off of you and your staff? I'm in Illinois and we are lucky to have someone who is excellent at getting our fields ready to go. He lines both practice and game fields. But, I have been in other programs where the parents did the lining of the fields.
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Post by southidcoach on Feb 8, 2017 14:39:28 GMT -6
Have you spoken with the AD at the school yet and expressed your interest?
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Post by redcoach on Feb 8, 2017 16:13:54 GMT -6
Yes I spoke with the AD last week. We both want the best for the program and would love for an experianced coach to take the job. However if none will then it may fall on me long as I'm willing. I just don't want to wait till July and then get told its all on me if I'm willing. So I thought I would spend this time learning all I can about everything I can. I would rather be as prepared as possible then to not be.
I also know the last coach we had for the past 3 years was someones dad and he only took it because no one would. To be honest our last true coach was 5 couches ago, which has been over 8 years ago. They have just been getting anyone who would be willing to take the job ever sense. No true coach will take the job for only 5k a year and or no teaching job to help up the income. So we are stuck and have been for some time now.
Its just hard going to the games year after year and knowing in a few more years my kids will be there. Something needs to happen someone needs to take the job who cares enough to put in the time and do it right. The old military guy in me has a hard time standing idly by watching, when everything is falling apart. My mentality is I will follow when I have good leadership, but when there is poor or no leadership I have a habit of picking up the pieces and taking over. I'm at the point of 8 years is enough and if no other coach is going to come along then dang it I will do all that I can. I'm done waiting and hoping for something that doesn't ever seem like its going to happen. Sometimes you have to stop waiting and just do it yourself.
I would like to thank all of you for your time and insight. I have a few ideas and I will push forward them them.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Feb 8, 2017 16:20:23 GMT -6
"Run the wing t" is easy to say but... do you know anything about the wing-t? You can't dabble in it, you have to know and love it for it to be successful. It's even hard to say "wing-t" and get a job these days unless you have a proven track record of success in it.
Run what you know because you can teach what you know.
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