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Post by CS on Feb 5, 2017 6:00:20 GMT -6
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Post by mrjvi on Feb 5, 2017 7:14:10 GMT -6
I hope this topic gets talked about. I've got mixed opinions. Want to hear what others think. My opinions might fill a small book.
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Post by ccscoach on Feb 5, 2017 7:27:02 GMT -6
I think it depends on the coaching. If you have competent people there is no issue if not you're in trouble.
You can't legislate everything in life.
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Post by coachjm on Feb 5, 2017 8:31:57 GMT -6
Millions of kids have played football for a 100 years with the vast majority having no issue. Creating legislation to dictate on what activities is crazy in my mind. The awareness and changes in our instruction due to the concussion concerns in my mind are a great thing. I know I'm a better and safer instructor of the game now then I was 10 years ago due to this.
With regards to youth football I have never been a huge proponent of it, however, my 9 year old played this year. He wanted to, I felt the league he was in did a good job of protecting and instructing kids and the overall contact level and head to head contact was nearly non existent. I may feel differently in a year or two but his first experience with the game was a positive one in which I was never worried about his safety or any other kids safety it was a long way from the stuff you see on TV.
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Post by brophy on Feb 5, 2017 10:34:20 GMT -6
I have always thought that kids shouldn't play tackle football until 7th grade 6th at the earliest for several reasons. One being most of the kids font have proper fitting equipment. sounds like you agree with the bill, then
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Post by chi5hi on Feb 5, 2017 10:59:41 GMT -6
Sometimes we should take a minute and just watch children on the playground...they play games where they tackle each other, all the time! Let kids play and they work in tackling.
All except the soccer players...who just practice holding their girlfriend's purse.
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Post by Davs on Feb 5, 2017 11:12:14 GMT -6
Millions of kids have played football for a 100 years with the vast majority having no issue. Creating legislation to dictate on what activities is crazy in my mind. The awareness and changes in our instruction due to the concussion concerns in my mind are a great thing. I know I'm a better and safer instructor of the game now then I was 10 years ago due to this. With regards to youth football I have never been a huge proponent of it, however, my 9 year old played this year. He wanted to, I felt the league he was in did a good job of protecting and instructing kids and the overall contact level and head to head contact was nearly non existent. I may feel differently in a year or two but his first experience with the game was a positive one in which I was never worried about his safety or any other kids safety it was a long way from the stuff you see on TV. I agree with this 100%. Of course I am biased since I coach youth besides high school. What scares me is you have plenty of bad coaches out there. This will be what ends youth football I think. At both the high school and youth level we are very carful with what we do at the high school level we never go live. At the youth level I only have to live sessions both in the preseason to get the kids adjusted to full contact. Any other time we are all thud. We work hard on the heads up stuff along with the hawk tackling. We have stayed healthy and been very successful at both levels. The problem I have with youth football is we have lots of meat heads trying to relive their glory years through their kids. Not everyone is doing what I do, and many other high quality youth coaches do. I once heard a coach from another team of 9 year olds that we were killing bitch at the head coach that they needed to start hitting and hit all the time in practice. I got pissed and told him good luck with that we never hit and we are killing you. I have seen this game save some kids from going down the wrong path at an early age, and I would hate to see it go.
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Post by CS on Feb 5, 2017 13:55:45 GMT -6
I have always thought that kids shouldn't play tackle football until 7th grade 6th at the earliest for several reasons. One being most of the kids font have proper fitting equipment. sounds like you agree with the bill, then Yeah. Some people have had good experiences with peewee football but I havnt been around many peewee programs that have the money to properly equip the kids. As far as coaching goes that's all relative in my opinion. There are dumba$$es in high school ball that do dangerous things as well. I just don't really see the need for kids to play tackle football in 5th grade or lower. I was at a program a few years agho where they started in 1st grade. What exactly are they accomplishing that early?
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 5, 2017 14:35:55 GMT -6
I would not be disappointed to see youth football doe entirely, but my thoughts have little to do with safety.
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Post by Davs on Feb 5, 2017 15:22:33 GMT -6
I would not be disappointed to see youth football doe entirely, but my thoughts have little to do with safety. So what are the reasons?
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Post by jgordon1 on Feb 5, 2017 16:01:49 GMT -6
I am in favor of it. I think kids don't need to tackle in their earlier years..they can still learn the game, grow some more, get more athletic.. i am sick of watching 3rd and 4th graders getting yelled at and running head first into each other.
To the poster above trashing soccer, here's what I know: at least around here, the kids playing soccer are coached by trained coaches using a REAL Program, all doing similar drills using the same terminology. The kids are actually having fun..never ONCE have a seen a coach scream at a kid.
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Post by mahonz on Feb 5, 2017 16:05:23 GMT -6
Do away with football below the Freshman HS level and you just killed off the Sport.
Odd none of you can see this. Your participation numbers would dwindle to the point you'd eventually have to close up shop. And yes I've heard the argument ad nauseum that this move would have no adverse effect on your own Program. Maybe but eventually you will have no one left to play against.
If you think for one minute that a kid that has never played football pre HS but has played all the others Sports is just going to show up out of the blue his 9th grade year...you are a fool.
Youth Sports, all of them are fast becoming a specialization thing. Like it or not....agree to disagree all you want....I live it every year. Its a real thing. May as well do everything possible to keep football in the conversation regardless of what you may think otherwise.
Or...bone up on your baseball skills so you can coach Fall Baseball or even LAX when it takes the place of football. That is already happening in spades.
Im a really good youth coach only because I have already made all the mistakes and now know what not to do anymore. Currently I have conversations with maybe half my team every off season about returning to play another season. Why? Has nothing to do with safety and I mean absolutely ZERO. Has to do with the fact that football is a grind too them. Three practice sessions a week and then play one game. Each Regular Season is only 8 games. This compared to baseball or LAX where they practice once or twice per week and then play 3 or 4 games a week with a 25+ Regualr Season Schedule. They experience this in the Spring for the first time and are hooked. Then find out they can do it all over again in the Fall.
Football has simply become....too much work for some and specialization is very real.
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Post by 33coach on Feb 5, 2017 16:15:04 GMT -6
i dunno, riddel makes properly fitting equipment for youth... we start at 7 years old. id feel sorry for anyone who coaches younger then that. the problem with this is, the moment we say ok, and stop pushing youth football... soccer numbers grow, football declines. tough to tell a kid in the 8th grade to switch sports from something he has been playing for 7 years......
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Post by 33coach on Feb 5, 2017 16:18:14 GMT -6
I am in favor of it. I think kids don't need to tackle in their earlier years..they can still learn the game, grow some more, get more athletic.. i am sick of watching 3rd and 4th graders getting yelled at and running head first into each other. To the poster above trashing soccer, here's what I know: at least around here, the kids playing soccer are coached by trained coaches using a REAL Program, all doing similar drills using the same terminology. The kids are actually having fun..never ONCE have a seen a coach scream at a kid. ok so in that world. how do you convince a kid who is in a soccer system, to hang up the shin guards and come play a sport they have never played before?
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Post by ahall005 on Feb 5, 2017 16:18:57 GMT -6
To the poster above trashing soccer, here's what I know: at least around here, the kids playing soccer are coached by trained coaches using a REAL Program, all doing similar drills using the same terminology. The kids are actually having fun..never ONCE have a seen a coach scream at a kid. I would say that is true of most youth football teams as well as most youth sports. There are going to be bad coaches in all sports at all levels. I would guess that 99% of youth football teams are not like the garbage that we see on friday night tykes.
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Post by 33coach on Feb 5, 2017 16:20:31 GMT -6
i am sick of watching 3rd and 4th graders getting yelled at and running head first into each other. if we are going to talk about coaching issues in youth football......... hell, after the last few months of highschool coaches getting caught peeing on players and licking syrup off of them in the locker room.... you could make the argument that kids shouldnt play football at all.
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Post by runitupthemiddle on Feb 5, 2017 16:25:56 GMT -6
sounds like you agree with the bill, then Yeah. Some people have had good experiences with peewee football but I havnt been around many peewee programs that have the money to properly equip the kids. As far as coaching goes that's all relative in my opinion. There are dumba$$es in high school ball that do dangerous things as well. I just don't really see the need for kids to play tackle football in 5th grade or lower. I was at a program a few years agho where they started in 1st grade. What exactly are they accomplishing that early? I think they should play flag football until 5th grade.
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Post by utchuckd on Feb 5, 2017 16:43:07 GMT -6
Hell there's a 2-4 year old softball league in our county. I'm sure it's probably a don't keep score 'training league' type thing, but that's 2 year olds playing an organized sport.
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Post by dytmook on Feb 5, 2017 16:55:02 GMT -6
I can't get my two year old to pee in the right place all the time let alone run the right direction.
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Post by Coach Bennett on Feb 5, 2017 16:55:18 GMT -6
Yeah. Some people have had good experiences with peewee football but I havnt been around many peewee programs that have the money to properly equip the kids. As far as coaching goes that's all relative in my opinion. There are dumba$$es in high school ball that do dangerous things as well. I just don't really see the need for kids to play tackle football in 5th grade or lower. I was at a program a few years agho where they started in 1st grade. What exactly are they accomplishing that early? I think they should play flag football until 5th grade. I'd even go through sixth where we live since modified starts in 7th around here. I bet participation numbers would actually rise with flag compared to our youth contact league. We ran two weekend sessions of flag in a local gym for K-3 and 4-6th grade recently and the feedback was tremendous. Parents are asking when the next days are going to be.
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Post by fantom on Feb 5, 2017 16:59:23 GMT -6
Do away with football below the Freshman HS level and you just killed off the Sport. If you think for one minute that a kid that has never played football pre HS but has played all the others Sports is just going to show up out of the blue his 9th grade year...you are a fool. Youth Sports, all of them are fast becoming a specialization thing. Like it or not....agree to disagree all you want....I live it every year. Its a real thing. May as well do everything possible to keep football in the conversation regardless of what you may think otherwise. I disagree. Kids who don't play organized youth football still play football. It just won't be organized, padded football. They'll play 2 on 2, 4 on 4, or whatever in their yard or whatever patch of grass that they can find. None of my HS teammates played youth football because there was no youth football. One thing that we all had in common was that we couldn't wait to get to HS so that we could play on a real football team. P.S.: Very few of our OL played youth football. Couldn't make weight.
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Post by 33coach on Feb 5, 2017 17:04:24 GMT -6
Do away with football below the Freshman HS level and you just killed off the Sport. If you think for one minute that a kid that has never played football pre HS but has played all the others Sports is just going to show up out of the blue his 9th grade year...you are a fool. Youth Sports, all of them are fast becoming a specialization thing. Like it or not....agree to disagree all you want....I live it every year. Its a real thing. May as well do everything possible to keep football in the conversation regardless of what you may think otherwise. I disagree. Kids who don't play organized youth football still play football. It just won't be organized, padded football. They'll play 2 on 2, 4 on 4, or whatever in their yard or whatever patch of grass that they can find. None of my HS teammates played youth football because there was no youth football. One thing that we all had in common was that we couldn't wait to get to HS so that we could play on a real football team. if backyard football is equivalent to organized football...why have kids play HS football at all? why not wait till university?
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Post by fantom on Feb 5, 2017 17:12:46 GMT -6
I disagree. Kids who don't play organized youth football still play football. It just won't be organized, padded football. They'll play 2 on 2, 4 on 4, or whatever in their yard or whatever patch of grass that they can find. None of my HS teammates played youth football because there was no youth football. One thing that we all had in common was that we couldn't wait to get to HS so that we could play on a real football team. if backyard football is equivalent to organized football...why have kids play HS football at all? why not wait till university? Where did I say that it's equivalent?
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Post by jgordon1 on Feb 5, 2017 17:23:08 GMT -6
I am in favor of it. I think kids don't need to tackle in their earlier years..they can still learn the game, grow some more, get more athletic.. i am sick of watching 3rd and 4th graders getting yelled at and running head first into each other. To the poster above trashing soccer, here's what I know: at least around here, the kids playing soccer are coached by trained coaches using a REAL Program, all doing similar drills using the same terminology. The kids are actually having fun..never ONCE have a seen a coach scream at a kid. ok so in that world. how do you convince a kid who is in a soccer system, to hang up the shin guards and come play a sport they have never played before? I am still in favor of flag football
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Post by 33coach on Feb 5, 2017 17:46:53 GMT -6
ok so in that world. how do you convince a kid who is in a soccer system, to hang up the shin guards and come play a sport they have never played before? I am still in favor of flag football flag football isnt football.... it just isnt. no blocking, no tackling, no break down, no leverage...... no football... all flag does is push kids further away from football... when their tackle coach says "put on these pads in the heat, and practice is 5 days a week..." they will just go and play something easier (like flag)
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Post by 33coach on Feb 5, 2017 17:54:32 GMT -6
at some point we have to admit as coaches that our sport is a Pain in the A$$ to participate in compaired to others.
and getting kids indoctrinated early has led to the high number of HS players in the country.
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Post by utchuckd on Feb 5, 2017 18:01:30 GMT -6
We don't get new players at the middle school. If they didn't play in the youth league they don't come out for us.
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Post by CS on Feb 5, 2017 18:01:43 GMT -6
i dunno, riddel makes properly fitting equipment for youth... we start at 7 years old. id feel sorry for anyone who coaches younger then that. the problem with this is, the moment we say ok, and stop pushing youth football... soccer numbers grow, football declines. tough to tell a kid in the 8th grade to switch sports from something he has been playing for 7 years...... I didn't say there wasn't properly fitting equipment I said that the programs I have seen don't have the money to equip the kids properly
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Post by 33coach on Feb 5, 2017 18:04:58 GMT -6
We don't get new players at the middle school. If they didn't play in the youth league they don't come out for us. thats us too, killing youth football would end our MS program those kids who we get, wouldnt start football in the 7th grade, because they have already invested 5-6 years in soccer and parents prefer specialization these days....
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Post by CS on Feb 5, 2017 18:07:08 GMT -6
I'm not sure how it is where you guys live but soccer is the least of our worries. He!!, the girls even call soccer players grass fairies.
I think it just depends on the area, but I don't see a problem with kids playing flag football up to 6th grade then strapping on some pads. I think it would build anticipation and keep kids from being burnt out.
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