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Post by 19delta on Feb 1, 2017 17:27:19 GMT -6
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Post by rosey65 on Feb 2, 2017 7:33:10 GMT -6
WTF?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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Post by CS on Feb 2, 2017 7:42:06 GMT -6
"Even I got peed on in High School." I would have beat someone's a$$ if they peed on me in high school. That article is crazy!
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Post by coachphillip on Feb 2, 2017 7:42:32 GMT -6
Whenever I read stuff like this I never know how to react. How in the hell, as an adult, can you watch stuff like this go on and not do something?
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Post by rosey65 on Feb 2, 2017 8:11:05 GMT -6
"Even I got peed on in High School." I would have beat someone's a$$ if they peed on me in high school. That article is crazy! Right??? Bro, do you listen to yourself when you talk? I know we dont know the whole story, but with quotes like that...
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Post by blb on Feb 2, 2017 8:15:33 GMT -6
Several years after I left a school the Football team had a hazing scandal involving "Tea Bagging."
The head coach, who was also a vice principal, was punished by being made principal.
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Post by brophy on Feb 2, 2017 8:16:06 GMT -6
didn't someone bring this up in the "Team Bonding" thread last month?
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Post by coachcb on Feb 2, 2017 8:20:06 GMT -6
I'm at a loss for words.. That is a whole new level is idiocy right there.
When I wrestled in high school, the seniors had a "hazing ritual" where all of the freshmen would stand there and get snapped with a wet towel. I got snapped about a dozen times but I got twice as many punches in before hand.
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Post by mariner42 on Feb 2, 2017 8:36:41 GMT -6
Whenever I read stuff like this I never know how to react. How in the hell, as an adult, can you watch stuff like this go on and not do something? Culture Defeats Strategy?
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Post by carookie on Feb 2, 2017 9:57:55 GMT -6
This to me is why I am shocked whenever I hear about coaching staffs that don't explicitly monitor the locker room. This stuff happens more often then I think most people want to admit, and it will continue to happen as long as it is allowed. The only thing unique about this case is that the coaches knew about it, allowed it, and then admitted to allowing it. As it is, I know a number of coaching staffs where nobody monitors the locker room; but I guess that gives them some plausible deniability.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2017 12:56:45 GMT -6
Whenever I read stories like this or the one about Coach Syrup Slurper the problems in our program become very small and I feel really good about our coaching staff and kids.
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Post by 3rdandlong on Feb 2, 2017 20:32:29 GMT -6
A couple of my thoughts. The coach is not quoted directly as saying that absurd comment. It's coming from the parents. Sometimes things get lost in translation. We have to be very very careful as coaches. There is a very fine line between boys being boys and behavior that can cause damage. IMO, a "birthday beatdown" where guys joke around and don't get too violent with the birthday boy is an example of "boys being boys." But in today's society, you cannot defend stuff like that. Peeing on people and tea bagging people is just plain disgusting.
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Post by jlenwood on Feb 3, 2017 6:18:51 GMT -6
You know what I don't get, is as coaches everyone is looking for the "leaders" on the team to step up. If this situation doesn't scream for a leader to step up and stop this kind of stuff, what kind of culture do you have in your program? I agree there is stuff that goes on in the locker room that we as coaches don't know happens, but big ticket items like this seems like you would find out.
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Post by SconnieOC on Feb 3, 2017 7:13:43 GMT -6
The crazy thing... their on-field culture was really solid. One of the better programs in the state over the last decade or so. Not necessarily in terms of state championships (their region is pretty tough) but regular season wins/conference championships. I wonder how much of the coaches ignoring it, was consciously because they were winning, and how much was him just being ignorant.
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Post by coachfloyd on Feb 3, 2017 7:25:45 GMT -6
As a dude, I can't see why you would want to do this to someone else.
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Post by rosey65 on Feb 3, 2017 7:29:34 GMT -6
The crazy thing... their on-field culture was really solid. One of the better programs in the state over the last decade or so. Not necessarily in terms of state championships (their region is pretty tough) but regular season wins/conference championships. I wonder how much of the coaches ignoring it, was consciously because they were winning, and how much was him just being ignorant. "...whats the big deal?...I was peed on in high school..."
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Post by blb on Feb 3, 2017 7:36:04 GMT -6
As a dude, I can't see why you would want to do this to someone else.
Stuff like this would never have crossed my mind.
Who thinks up these things? Yes, I've heard of them happening before, but with all the recent emphasis on combatting hazing and bullying - what kind of mind(s) think these would be some good things to do?
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Post by coachfloyd on Feb 3, 2017 8:18:24 GMT -6
As a dude, I can't see why you would want to do this to someone else.
Stuff like this would never have crossed my mind.
Who thinks up these things? Yes, I've heard of them happening before, but with all the recent emphasis on combatting hazing and bullying - what kind of mind(s) think these would be some good things to do?
If it did cross my mind, the next thing to cross my mind would be, "My parents are going to literally kill me." Our coaches last year really didnt understand that stuff like this goes on in the lockerroom. It drove me nuts. I was hudl guy after practice and other guys had locker room duty. I would hear them going nuts in there so I would walk over and no coaches would be in there. I jumped them every time because you are talking about losing more than just your job. Which is also another reason for my dislike of having nonfaculty coaches.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2017 11:35:34 GMT -6
Many years ago when one of my sons was a senior there was a sophomore in the locker room - a bigger, very muscular/athletic kid - that thought it was hilarious to grab middle school football players after they had gotten undressed, spin them around and simulate drilling them in the can. He always picked on the smaller, weaker players and the kids were horrified. Some of the JV kids laughed about it, others just shook their heads, others just told him, "You're an idiot" but nobody physically intervened. It was bad enough that a couple of the kids came crying to practice one day and the whole thing came out. I was furious that my own son didn't stop it but he said that he was in the varsity locker room and had no idea it was happening. I told my younger sons that if anybody ever pulled that crap with them they had the green light to whoop ass. This happened under our previous HC that never had anybody watching the locker room. Our current HC always has somebody in the locker room to make sure nothing is openly going on.
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Post by carookie on Feb 3, 2017 13:36:37 GMT -6
As a dude, I can't see why you would want to do this to someone else. Not to take this in a primal direction but its basically prison mentality, or kind of like Lord of the Flies. These types of actions are not rare but have been going on throughout history. As with most bullying/hazing situations its about establishing yourself as being dominant to those around you; this is done by you elevating yourself or degrading others. Sexual assaults are often seen as the most psychologically degrading, and often times viewed socially as being a stigma that impossible to recover from. So it is, the bully psychologically and socially establishes himself as completely, and sometimes permanently, dominant when he performs these acts. What makes it worse is that mob mentality often plays a role when this happens and really causes it to snowball. Players start to subconsciously buy into the "bully or be bullied" aspect and join the mob as a complicit means of survival. We'd all like to hope that we have leaders on our team that can stop this stuff, the truth is we do...US. Coaches need to lead by being active in patrolling and stopping locker room hazing and bullying.
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Post by 19delta on Feb 3, 2017 16:35:20 GMT -6
As a dude, I can't see why you would want to do this to someone else. I think a lot of guys who engage in this kind of stuff secretly get off on it. It's like when schools used to let boys dress up as girls during Homecoming Week festivities. There are always a couple guys who enjoy doing it a LITTLE too much...
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Post by 33coach on Feb 3, 2017 16:56:52 GMT -6
"forced un-consensual sexual assault." - isnt that rape?
why is no one going to jail?
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Post by 33coach on Feb 3, 2017 17:02:23 GMT -6
As a dude, I can't see why you would want to do this to someone else. I think a lot of guys who engage in this kind of stuff secretly get off on it. It's like when schools used to let boys dress up as girls during Homecoming Week festivities. There are always a couple guys who enjoy doing it a LITTLE too much... after reading some of the lawsuit... there is plenty of 'getting off' in that locker room.... wtf is wrong with people.
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Post by tothehouse on Feb 3, 2017 17:12:42 GMT -6
At first...I thought...nothing could be worse than syrup. Then I kept reading.
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Post by 33coach on Feb 3, 2017 17:15:16 GMT -6
At first...I thought...nothing could be worse than syrup. Then I kept reading. that coach got fired about a month ago. his school is about 20 minutes from me.
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Post by mariner42 on Feb 3, 2017 19:42:30 GMT -6
At first...I thought...nothing could be worse than syrup. Then I kept reading. that coach got fired about a month ago. his school is about 20 minutes from me. My gf is badgering me to apply there so she can be pickled off Paso Robles wine 24/7.
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Post by nhs40 on Feb 4, 2017 8:37:26 GMT -6
I think it goes back to the idea that some coaches have that we have to be "friends" with our players. If we are harsh, or discipline, our players, some coaches feel like you lose a team. I disagree. If you are looking to be "friends" with HS players, you are not doing your job. The kids have enough friends. They need people strong enough to say, that's not funny, or cool, or acceptable. This is how you conduct yourself as a young man. I have had some young coaches that really struggle with this. HS players are very different than the college players. I know this policy of befriending everyone is very popular, but HS kids need people to give limits. Just my thoughts.
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Post by 33coach on Feb 4, 2017 15:54:46 GMT -6
that coach got fired about a month ago. his school is about 20 minutes from me. My gf is badgering me to apply there so she can be pickled off Paso Robles wine 24/7. you should. and then when you get the job, call me for an interview.
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Post by CS on Feb 5, 2017 6:30:53 GMT -6
The crazy thing... their on-field culture was really solid. One of the better programs in the state over the last decade or so. Not necessarily in terms of state championships (their region is pretty tough) but regular season wins/conference championships. I wonder how much of the coaches ignoring it, was consciously because they were winning, and how much was him just being ignorant. New book idea,"tea bagging and golden showers defeat strategy." That would be an interesting clinic talk
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Post by 33coach on Feb 5, 2017 12:58:17 GMT -6
The crazy thing... their on-field culture was really solid. One of the better programs in the state over the last decade or so. Not necessarily in terms of state championships (their region is pretty tough) but regular season wins/conference championships. I wonder how much of the coaches ignoring it, was consciously because they were winning, and how much was him just being ignorant. New book idea,"tea bagging and golden showers defeat strategy." That would be an interesting clinic talk i can see the glazier talk title now... " "Shower" your way to a championship. "
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