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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 14:38:50 GMT -6
When a coach asks for help with a particular part of their scheme, whatever it is , and and another coach suggests they run an entirely different scheme altogether
This is why it is important to stay on topic in any thread one replies to. Or else don't reply.
Human beings as a species do not appreciate unsolicited advice - having a "better idea" - and typically will resent the person offering it for doing so.
I agree, but that also doesn't mean unsolicited advice is bad, at least not all, some of the best advice I have ever been given wasn't something I asked for But as you said when its something out of left field, and especially when someones a fan of something and its wholesale answer type thing it drives me nuts
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 14:46:13 GMT -6
When a coach asks for help with a particular part of their scheme, whatever it is , and and another coach suggests they run an entirely different scheme altogether Unsolicited suggestions in general make me a rage, especially during the game. "Hey coach, call this play." Sweet. We didn't rep it all week because it wasn't in the game plan I shared out, and nobody ever suggested it when I asked for desired additions and subtractions. I've seen that on a much grander scale during a post season game last year and I think it may have cost the assistant his job.
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Post by bleefb on Jul 14, 2017 8:11:43 GMT -6
I don't think that you really wish that at all. Some of the potential fallout from independent 7 on 7 teams (And these have gone way beyond "potential" in some areas): - Recruiting kids from one HS to another that's favored by the 7 on 7 coaches. - Confusing kids when the 7 on 7 coaches teach different techniques and/or have different philosophies and priorities that you do. - Convincing kids to miss your workouts and team events to participate in 7 on 7. - Violations of state association or NCAA recruiting rules that may embarrass or cause sanctions for your program even though you had nothing to do with them (See "Basketball, AAU"). We have private 7-7 clubs in Southern California. The biggest issue I've had is that they tell these kids you should be playing a specific position and if your high school coach doesn't play you there you need to transfer because that coach is going to cost you a scholarship. Of course the parents who are paying the guy eat it up like it's gospel. We've lost multiple potential all league players because of this. We've never really had an issue with conflict of events or anything with scheme. (We are a spread offense and 2 high defense in our base). Even though it probably isn't defined as an "issue" because it doesn't effect the program, I have a personal issue with 7-7 coaches trying to take credit for developing scholarship players that they handpicked to participate in their club. It's not just coaches. We had a super academic kid one year who got a perfect score on the SAT, all AP classes, All A's. The kid was a freaking genius! My buddy, who taught one of the AP classes, used to joke that the kids success was all because of his teaching. He was joking, but a few of the other AP teachers were serious. That's like taking credit for a seven foot center's height! People will try to ride the coattails of their athletes (or sons:Levar Ball) all the time. Its also true on the academic side.
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Post by famar on Jul 20, 2017 20:25:53 GMT -6
Probably already been said somewhere in this thread, and I apologize if I'm being redundant, but refs who ignore the rule book and come up with their own interpretations, or the ones who decide that you're up by enough points and see phantom penalties.
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Post by coachlou17 on Jul 24, 2017 21:21:20 GMT -6
Just getting done with summer...pretty much anything having to do with 7-on-7 tourneys sends me into RAGE. These are pretty much a joke anymore.
We aren't doing them next offseason. Screw it. We'll schedule days with other real coaches I know are going to run their stuff and not try to win 7-on-7 titles.
My 7-on-7 gripes...
- Coaches who go and draw up 7-on-7-specific plays that they'd never run in a real game.
- Same goes for defenses. Crazy defenses with press man and no regard for alignment. Example - press man with every guy taking away inside leverage with 2 deep safeties.
- 7-on-7 QB's with no regard for getting depth in the pocket or taking their drops. Many of them take one step...or keep stepping up, up, up in the pocket from the gun. I guess these guys have the best offensive lines in America. 3 or 4 times this summer I saw QB's in 7-on-7 throw the ball while they were past the LOS.
- More on QB depth. QB's who take no drop and then throw deep. Guess what you're like 7 yards closer to the LOS than you ever will be in a game. Let's not act like that doesn't make a huge difference.
- Teams that tout 7-on-7 titles. The school I currently coach at did this last season. Won a couple 7-on-7 tournaments...and then went 0-10.
Can you tell I despise these things? LOL. What's annoying is 7-on-7 has basically transformed into it's own separate sport. It's flag football...with no running. Shoot...one tournament we played on this summer we played on fields that were 6 or 7 yards narrower then a normal field. That was great for spacing.
Almost all of these things are nothing more than a waste of money. Entrance fees, time spent, money for a bus driver and gas. We'd be better off organizing our own with like-minded schools and using 1/3 of the money we'd spent to feed the kids afterwards.
Which is what we'll do next year.
I hate 7-on-7.
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Post by natenator on Jul 26, 2017 13:55:32 GMT -6
Players who watch more film in the week after football is done than they did during the season. Screw getting better... all about them highlight tapes I guess.
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Post by rsmith627 on Jul 26, 2017 15:10:56 GMT -6
Players who watch more film in the week after football is done than they did during the season. Screw getting better... all about them highlight tapes I guess. This is a really good one.
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Post by coachZL on Jul 26, 2017 15:11:41 GMT -6
-We had tryouts for baseball yesterday and 6 kids didn't have physicals yet. And they have been constantly reminded by our HC since fall ball that A.) they have to have a physical to practice and B.) Physicals last for one calendar year. I have seen this in coaching football and baseball at a couple of the schools I have been at. It's abundantly frustrating to have kids and parents that don't have that stuff ready on day 1. A few years back I had a situation like that. 4 of our top 6 DB's going into the season didn't get their clearance forms taken care of in time, obviously we needed to fill those positions in. Well one of the kids we filled in with was, at the time, a part time DB and backup WR (only because he was truly focusing on playing more at WR). He was probably 9th on the depth chart as a DB. Well this kid had no choice but to get in there and play a lot while those other kids were getting cleared. He ended up holding on to a starting corner spot all year and then went on to walk on at CAL (where he is still currently playing corner). It was great for the kid in the long run but I was so frustrated with those 4 at the time. Needless to say, when those kids finally did get cleared most of them were not to happy about their playing time giving me a bunch of "yeah but" when I told them he was playing better than them.
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Post by coachZL on Jul 26, 2017 15:46:29 GMT -6
Probably already been said somewhere in this thread, and I apologize if I'm being redundant, but refs who ignore the rule book and come up with their own interpretations, or the ones who decide that you're up by enough points and see phantom penalties. We had a call along those lines in one of our games last year. Our TE caught the ball in the end zone, both feet in, and the ref called it incomplete. When we asked him at half time why he called it incomplete his response was "Well, the pass was incomplete because the ball was out of bounds. I saw both his feet in but when I saw the catch, the ball was clearly out of bounds, therefore makes it an incomplete pass." all we did was chuckle, our OC said very calmly "Thanks for your explination but that is wrong" Before the second half started he came over to our sideline and acknowledged that he had made a mistake after talking to the head ref.
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Post by Defcord on Jul 26, 2017 16:44:04 GMT -6
-We had tryouts for baseball yesterday and 6 kids didn't have physicals yet. And they have been constantly reminded by our HC since fall ball that A.) they have to have a physical to practice and B.) Physicals last for one calendar year. I have seen this in coaching football and baseball at a couple of the schools I have been at. It's abundantly frustrating to have kids and parents that don't have that stuff ready on day 1. A few years back I had a situation like that. 4 of our top 6 DB's going into the season didn't get their clearance forms taken care of in time, obviously we needed to fill those positions in. Well one of the kids we filled in with was, at the time, a part time DB and backup WR (only because he was truly focusing on playing more at WR). He was probably 9th on the depth chart as a DB. Well this kid had no choice but to get in there and play a lot while those other kids were getting cleared. He ended up holding on to a starting corner spot all year and then went on to walk on at CAL (where he is still currently playing corner). It was great for the kid in the long run but I was so frustrated with those 4 at the time. Needless to say, when those kids finally did get cleared most of them were not to happy about their playing time giving me a bunch of "yeah but" when I told them he was playing better than them. I wish the kids that filled if for us at times were good enough to walk on at Cal. Some of our were lucky to walk at all. I will give them credit though for taking care of business on the paperwork.
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Post by coachZL on Jul 27, 2017 10:01:10 GMT -6
That kid worked his tail off. He's mostly on special teams but does get some of those end of game minutes. Every coach on our staff was surprised when we found out that he ended up making the team. To be fair that was the only time we/I have had that happen.
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Post by coachcrabb2 on Jul 30, 2017 13:08:10 GMT -6
Public HS who "recruit" and have shady backroom deals in order to stock their roster and Poach local talent away from schools FOR YEARS!!!
Private schools I get it they have things to offer kids and then that's all gravy but public schools that have "apartments" and other grey area loopholes drive me bananas
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Post by Defcord on Aug 1, 2017 16:11:48 GMT -6
The NFHS concussion, cardiac arrest, and heat courses annually make me rage. I know these are all serious issues but they should let us try the quiz before making us watch the video again after the first time.
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Post by coachklee on Aug 1, 2017 16:58:48 GMT -6
A few years back I had a situation like that. 4 of our top 6 DB's going into the season didn't get their clearance forms taken care of in time, obviously we needed to fill those positions in. Well one of the kids we filled in with was, at the time, a part time DB and backup WR (only because he was truly focusing on playing more at WR). He was probably 9th on the depth chart as a DB. Well this kid had no choice but to get in there and play a lot while those other kids were getting cleared. He ended up holding on to a starting corner spot all year and then went on to walk on at CAL (where he is still currently playing corner). It was great for the kid in the long run but I was so frustrated with those 4 at the time. Needless to say, when those kids finally did get cleared most of them were not to happy about their playing time giving me a bunch of "yeah but" when I told them he was playing better than them. I wish the kids that filled if for us at times were good enough to walk on at Cal. Some of our were lucky to walk at all. I will give them credit though for taking care of business on the paperwork. I'm thinking most of us wish we had starters who could walk-on at Cal!!!
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Post by coachwoodall on Aug 1, 2017 17:39:37 GMT -6
I had one this morning, thought I was going to pop a gasket. Short story long
Our turf field is about 11 years old and so is our Mondo track. Time for some repairs. Welp, of course it is scheduled for this summer after spring ball/track is over. Then it gets moved back to July. Well before our clinic/dead week, we learn they MIGHT be ready to start on the 1st day of practice (July 31). No problem, we have 2 grass fields adjacent that we can use, just are going to have to juggle all 3 teams with times. Oh, and by the way our field maintenance guys already can seem to figure how to handle a Bermuda grass field which really isn't that hard (sand it, skin it to the ground, slice it, and drown it in water). And double oh, they finally realized that those brown patches are fungus and need to replaced.
Yeah, they started the first day, at least they waited until after practice. But on the flip side they didn't bother to replace the sod. So get out to the field day 2 this morning and my great plan for a tempo pursuit/high energy/make the most of these dagjim no contact days was out the window.
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Post by hunhdisciple on Aug 1, 2017 20:55:53 GMT -6
A few years ago, a new school opened. The state classified them straight in the middle, and the school got a massive influx of students due to open enrollment for the first year or so.
They get out in our district, with almost double the student population. They come play us, bring 4 buses of players and I heard some of their fans talking that "we must not be good, because not many kids are playing." They got moved into correct sized class after a few years, but they all seemed so smug about themselves before.
I'm always a guy who ultimately doesn't care what happens in games that don't concern me. I want my friends to win, but I want good-for-the-sport games all the way around. Except for them. I wanted them to lose by 50 every chance they got.
Our state commisoner got a lot of heat over that.
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Post by 50slantstrong on Aug 28, 2017 14:58:31 GMT -6
I have one more thing that makes me rage but it's extremely uncommon. A guy I work with is a former assistant coach who coached a couple of local underachieving schools. He tells me at least once a week he'd love to coach again but the programs in the area aren't run the way programs should be run. He also tells me he deserves to be a defensive coordinator and he can shut down any offense with his defense. I know this isn't a common rager for most people but it is for me and my personal day to day life because I have to listen to him everyday. New school year, same guy...today he told me he didn't want to coach at a school because he heard they were going to run an "ancient" single wing offense that anybody can shut down. We're playing that team this week and they're running a no-huddle pistol veer with a wing and ran for about 300 yards against a (typically) good program in their first game last Friday. What a bozo. That's a red flag for anybody interviewing potential assistants - if they think offenses aren't good because they're "old". Down block, base block, reach block, read a defender and make him wrong and use angles to your advantage. That is the foundation of offensive football and has been for over 100 years. People like this don't deserve to call themselves "coach"....
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Post by rsmith627 on Aug 28, 2017 17:16:32 GMT -6
I have one more thing that makes me rage but it's extremely uncommon. A guy I work with is a former assistant coach who coached a couple of local underachieving schools. He tells me at least once a week he'd love to coach again but the programs in the area aren't run the way programs should be run. He also tells me he deserves to be a defensive coordinator and he can shut down any offense with his defense. I know this isn't a common rager for most people but it is for me and my personal day to day life because I have to listen to him everyday. New school year, same guy...today he told me he didn't want to coach at a school because he heard they were going to run an "ancient" single wing offense that anybody can shut down. We're playing that team this week and they're running a no-huddle pistol veer with a wing and ran for about 300 yards against a (typically) good program in their first game last Friday. What a bozo. That's a red flag for anybody interviewing potential assistants - if they think offenses aren't good because they're "old". Down block, base block, reach block, read a defender and make him wrong and use angles to your advantage. That is the foundation of offensive football and has been for over 100 years. People like this don't deserve to call themselves "coach".... I once read that veer ain't football. Poor some syrup on that offense. It's over.
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Post by freezeoption on Aug 28, 2017 17:40:38 GMT -6
be careful with the syrup, that will get you into trouble
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Post by fantom on Aug 29, 2017 9:03:57 GMT -6
I have another one. In our game last week we had an injured player Overall, it wasn't terrible but he pissed two plays: a strip sack for a TD and a 90 yard pick-six. I don't really care about seeing the plays myself but both guys are college prospects. They need those plays on their highlight video. It's not the kid's fault, it's our's.
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Post by The Lunch Pail on Aug 29, 2017 9:45:04 GMT -6
I have to add another to this list:
I'm trying to get my DL to start watching their KEY for movement and not the ball. We've struggled with our hands to target and being able to react to the block in front of us. So now every time it's a 3rd down, everyone on our sideline, including a few coaches are constantly yelling out "watch the ball", even though I'm trying to get our guys to stop doing that. I'm going to bring it up to some of the coaches sometime (to be fair, they don't coach DL), but it's still annoying to be contradicted every time it's 3rd down.
So basically "watch the ball" is now right up there with the infamous "hit somebody", "wrap up", and "hold on to the ball" phrases I never want to hear on our sidelines
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 10:44:15 GMT -6
Another for me, is hearing how stupid our players are. They are nuts, crazy, even out of control at times, but stupid they are not.
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Post by fkaboneyard on Aug 29, 2017 11:15:30 GMT -6
Rage for me is a JV head coach that thinks it's his job to win the JV league championship instead of preparing kids to play varsity. So he installs his own plays and tweaks the varsity playbook to what he knows (or thinks he knows).
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Post by dytmook on Aug 29, 2017 11:31:15 GMT -6
I have another one. In our game last week we had an injured player Overall, it wasn't terrible but he pissed two plays: a strip sack for a TD and a 90 yard pick-six. I don't really care about seeing the plays myself but both guys are college prospects. They need those plays on their highlight video. It's not the kid's fault, it's our's. Will the other team share their copy?
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Post by fantom on Aug 29, 2017 11:33:23 GMT -6
I have another one. In our game last week we had an injured player Overall, it wasn't terrible but he pissed two plays: a strip sack for a TD and a 90 yard pick-six. I don't really care about seeing the plays myself but both guys are college prospects. They need those plays on their highlight video. It's not the kid's fault, it's our's. Will the other team share their copy? Efforting. It's not something that we need urgently right now.
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Post by 44dlcoach on Aug 29, 2017 14:29:11 GMT -6
I have to add another to this list: I'm trying to get my DL to start watching their KEY for movement and not the ball. We've struggled with our hands to target and being able to react to the block in front of us. So now every time it's a 3rd down, everyone on our sideline, including a few coaches are constantly yelling out "watch the ball", even though I'm trying to get our guys to stop doing that. I'm going to bring it up to some of the coaches sometime (to be fair, they don't coach DL), but it's still annoying to be contradicted every time it's 3rd down. So basically "watch the ball" is now right up there with the infamous "hit somebody", "wrap up", and "hold on to the ball" phrases I never want to hear on our sidelines Drives me nuts too. I've gone with "stay onsides", or "eyes on your man" as alternatives. Freaking DBs are still constantly saying "watch the ball".
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Post by tothehouse on Aug 29, 2017 15:51:53 GMT -6
Last Friday. Our RB1 gets ejected on defense. Was as soft as a pillow on the play...takes a hit...then throws a kid to the ground. Kid gets up and starts shoving our guy. All in all it looked like off setting penalties. NOPE!!! We get the flag and the ejection. Nothing for the other team. That made me RAGE. And I'm in the booth. Soooooooooooo I'm telling HC on headset. "Ask the guy what he's going to write in his report!!!! Ask him!!!" White hat says, "he thinks our guy threw a punch" Report comes back over the weekend. Back judge says..."no punch thrown". White hat says, "not sure if a punch was thrown". What does the film say? ? Film says...no punch thrown. RAGE on this part II. HC has to go to an appeal an hour away. Review panel looks at report. Looks at film. In under 3 minutes says..."kid can play next weekend". Mother {censored}!!! MORAL TO THE STORY....Don't throw calls around when you "think" you saw something. And for our kid? Fill the damn hole faster and not get blocked off the face of the Earth so you feel like fighting.
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Post by coachwoodall on Aug 30, 2017 6:17:41 GMT -6
I have to add another to this list: I'm trying to get my DL to start watching their KEY for movement and not the ball. We've struggled with our hands to target and being able to react to the block in front of us. So now every time it's a 3rd down, everyone on our sideline, including a few coaches are constantly yelling out "watch the ball", even though I'm trying to get our guys to stop doing that. I'm going to bring it up to some of the coaches sometime (to be fair, they don't coach DL), but it's still annoying to be contradicted every time it's 3rd down. So basically "watch the ball" is now right up there with the infamous "hit somebody", "wrap up", and "hold on to the ball" phrases I never want to hear on our sidelines We say, "Watch the ball" to clue the kids that it's a situation that the offense might go on a hard count.
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Post by CS on Aug 30, 2017 6:29:38 GMT -6
I have to add another to this list: I'm trying to get my DL to start watching their KEY for movement and not the ball. We've struggled with our hands to target and being able to react to the block in front of us. So now every time it's a 3rd down, everyone on our sideline, including a few coaches are constantly yelling out "watch the ball", even though I'm trying to get our guys to stop doing that. I'm going to bring it up to some of the coaches sometime (to be fair, they don't coach DL), but it's still annoying to be contradicted every time it's 3rd down. So basically "watch the ball" is now right up there with the infamous "hit somebody", "wrap up", and "hold on to the ball" phrases I never want to hear on our sidelines We say, "Watch the ball" to clue the kids that it's a situation that the offense might go on a hard count. We say,"Ball Key." Same premise though
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Post by blb on Aug 30, 2017 6:45:49 GMT -6
I have to add another to this list: I'm trying to get my DL to start watching their KEY for movement and not the ball. We've struggled with our hands to target and being able to react to the block in front of us. So now every time it's a 3rd down, everyone on our sideline, including a few coaches are constantly yelling out "watch the ball", even though I'm trying to get our guys to stop doing that. I'm going to bring it up to some of the coaches sometime (to be fair, they don't coach DL), but it's still annoying to be contradicted every time it's 3rd down. So basically "watch the ball" is now right up there with the infamous "hit somebody", "wrap up", and "hold on to the ball" phrases I never want to hear on our sidelines "Move on movement (of OL-key you are aligned on)!"
"Their QB is not talking to YOU (with cadence)!"
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