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Post by coachbro13 on Apr 11, 2017 13:51:41 GMT -6
I think X's and O's matter more to young guys because they still have a lot to learn schematically. As a young coach myself, there's so much I want to learn that it makes my head spin. But as you grow in experience, I'd guess that scheme matters less because you're more sound in what you like to do and you're more focused on development of the players and program.
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Post by spos21ram on Apr 11, 2017 16:38:37 GMT -6
The easy answer for me is yes a little bit but, a big reason for that is as I've gotten older and more experienced I've realized that X's and O's have a lot less of an impact on winning than I thought when I was younger. As for chalk war type exercises....I've never really held much weight in those because most of the time we're drawing up stuff knowing what the other guy is drawing and vice versa. It's like both teams knowing what the other is running on the next play. I can do that by myself. What I think would be pretty cool, but kind of dorky I guess, but if both coaches draw up an O and D play without the other seeing it, then show eachother. See who theoretically would have won the play then discuss. I'd be interested to hear more on this perspective. I'm still that young coach who spends a lot of time on X's and O's because I see a lot of value in that. If you have players not fully committed, selfish, missing or late to practice, going through the motions at practice, doing nothing in the off season, poor culture, etc. it doesn't matter how much of an offensive guru you are, your teams wont win d***.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 16:20:59 GMT -6
The better conditioned ,better coached your kids are the less you actually need .
Won our 4th state title in 5 years this year , i think we ran a total of 8 plays...played 3 coverages on defense theres over 100 offensive plays in the playbook alone
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Post by td4tc on Apr 14, 2017 10:36:31 GMT -6
Trying to figure out a way to get my X's and O's to create a positive turnover ratio and score more non offensive TD's ( if that's possible ). Cause those are the stats that matter for getting W's even when my Jimmies aren't as good as your Joe's. Not all the "ESPN" stats like total yards and averages.
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Post by BrendanQB on Apr 14, 2017 12:50:05 GMT -6
The better conditioned ,better coached your kids are the less you actually need . Won our 4th state title in 5 years this year , i think we ran a total of 8 plays...played 3 coverages on defense theres over 100 offensive plays in the playbook alone This is exactly how I wish our teams could play, but our head coach has a playbook that's about 75 plays and 20 formations deep. Do you have any advice on how to get to that point? I've always been worried that if you only run a few formations/plays/coverages you can get too predictable. But I also get that if it's all you practice, you can get damn good at it and predictability is really irrelevant at that point.
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Post by morris on Apr 15, 2017 19:41:43 GMT -6
The better conditioned ,better coached your kids are the less you actually need . Won our 4th state title in 5 years this year , i think we ran a total of 8 plays...played 3 coverages on defense theres over 100 offensive plays in the playbook alone I'd like to hear more about this and similar things than chalk wars
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 5:29:10 GMT -6
The better conditioned ,better coached your kids are the less you actually need . Won our 4th state title in 5 years this year , i think we ran a total of 8 plays...played 3 coverages on defense theres over 100 offensive plays in the playbook alone I'd like to hear more about this and similar things than chalk wars Absolutely
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Post by cjwe on Apr 25, 2017 10:39:52 GMT -6
The more I coach the less interested I am in scheme. There's only 8 gaps with two tight ends.
So long as you can force the Defense to play unsound to defend one of those gaps, they will weaken themselves at one of the remaining 7 gaps. Decide how and which gap you Attack & how to take advantage of the weakened gaps & commit to it.
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Post by coachcb on Apr 25, 2017 10:52:35 GMT -6
We had our first full staff meeting this last Sunday and we didn't talk much about the new defense we will be installing next fall. We talked, at length, about various drills that we needed to run to be sound. It was a far more productive conversation than me drawing Xs and Os on the whiteboard. I was happy with the staff's response as no one tried to start a chalkboard war. They asked about the basics of the defense and then we talked about how we were going to install it.
It's been a long time since I have been in a meeting like that.
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Post by bobdoc78 on Apr 25, 2017 11:44:41 GMT -6
We ask our players to do all and everything to be successful. My job as a coach is to do everything I can also. I am going to do everything I can to be the best chalk coach I can. Its something I can control.
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Post by pistola on Apr 25, 2017 11:55:29 GMT -6
The better conditioned ,better coached your kids are the less you actually need . Won our 4th state title in 5 years this year , i think we ran a total of 8 plays...played 3 coverages on defense theres over 100 offensive plays in the playbook alone This is exactly how I wish our teams could play, but our head coach has a playbook that's about 75 plays and 20 formations deep. Do you have any advice on how to get to that point? I've always been worried that if you only run a few formations/plays/coverages you can get too predictable. But I also get that if it's all you practice, you can get damn good at it and predictability is really irrelevant at that point. i hope for your sake he doesn't have a computer or access to coach huey lol
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 17:46:58 GMT -6
The better conditioned ,better coached your kids are the less you actually need . Won our 4th state title in 5 years this year , i think we ran a total of 8 plays...played 3 coverages on defense theres over 100 offensive plays in the playbook alone This is exactly how I wish our teams could play, but our head coach has a playbook that's about 75 plays and 20 formations deep. Do you have any advice on how to get to that point? I've always been worried that if you only run a few formations/plays/coverages you can get too predictable. But I also get that if it's all you practice, you can get damn good at it and predictability is really irrelevant at that point. Bobby bowden once said "Keep the run game small, carry no fat in the run game , Don't add a play unless you are removing one " The best way to be unpredictable , is to be balanced , and by balance I mean able to utilize the pass game and run game equally well, if you can do that then one aspect feeds the other . But until you can execute your offense as flawlessly as possible, I wouldn't concern myself with being predictable or not , because unless your kids know how to execute the play, and make adjustments on the fly (Which they can do much more effectively with fewer plays) it won't matter how many formations you use. Now formations are a little bit different topic, formations will give you certain advantage, depending on the play, therefore your run game and pass game should be tied via formations It's fine to have a deep playbook, if you don't try to implement all of it in one season However if the HC has a playbook that deep, you aren't going to get there unless he decides so, and even that usually depends on certain factors , such as experience, in some cases ego, or the possibility they may be fired. It may take a few L's to get there . Some guys are fine with and can win with 5 run plays, some guys feel they have to have a little bit of everything and try to run all of it , some guys find a middle ground where they have a ton but use only certain portions of it each season. These guys in Michigan running the Wing T from full house sets, they hardly change at all, they rarely even pass, yet they churn out thousands of yards on the ground with a minimal amount of run plays. Triple option teams probably carry the least amount of fat in the run game, because they can't do more , they just don't have the time .
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Post by coachcb on Apr 26, 2017 7:17:26 GMT -6
The better conditioned ,better coached your kids are the less you actually need . Won our 4th state title in 5 years this year , i think we ran a total of 8 plays...played 3 coverages on defense theres over 100 offensive plays in the playbook alone This is exactly how I wish our teams could play, but our head coach has a playbook that's about 75 plays and 20 formations deep. Do you have any advice on how to get to that point? I've always been worried that if you only run a few formations/plays/coverages you can get too predictable. But I also get that if it's all you practice, you can get damn good at it and predictability is really irrelevant at that point. It comes down to a few simple things: 1. Limiting your blocking schemes. 4-5 run blocking schemes and 2-3 pass blocking schemes is all you need. 2. In the run game, you need your base run plays and counters/constraints off of those plays. Something as simple as combining Iso and Counter is effective. 3. You can easily simplify your passing game by basing your 3 step game around reading the force zone or flat/curl zone defender. Pare the deep passing attacking down to a few concepts that you can teach your QB, versus mixing and matching routes in some weird fashion. 4. Running a ton of formations is fine as long as you don't have to add blocking schemes and you can still run your simple passing attack with minimal adjustments. 5. Every formation needs to serve a purpose within the offense. You don't want to throw out random formations for fun; each set will be used for specific purposes, week to week. I've coached in one multiple formation offense (20+ formations) and we made a living off of IZ, OZ, Power and Counter, a short passing game that mixed and matched 5 different short routes, and 5 deep concepts, and 3 PA schemes. I, personally, have strayed away from this style of scheme as we found ourselves living in about 5-6 formations most of the time. We were a good running team so we lined up in formations that have us a solid advantage on the run.
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Post by 3rdandlong on Apr 26, 2017 9:34:19 GMT -6
I don't think X's and O's are he most important thing to a successful football program. HOWEVER, as a coach, I have a lot of fun with X's and O's and other than seeing kids develop/improve, it's my personal favorite part of being a coach. Not saying that it's most important, just what I enjoy most. I have noticed that I am taking less and less interest in the weight room. So what did I do? I paid a young, energetic, in shape assistant a stipend to come in our athletic PE class and help out with the weightroom in the off-season. I realize it's very important and I also realized since I found myself getting bored with the weightroom that it would probably suffer if I was the one who continued to run it.
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