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Post by ajreaper on Dec 14, 2016 14:10:33 GMT -6
Something to think about, if a "tell" does not jump off the screen at you as a coach when you are watching film it is almost 100% guaranteed none of your players will notice it in the course of a game. In the heat of battle, with adrenaline flowing it seems best to have them focused on things you can constantly drill and teach rather then trying to figure out if a back or lineman is lined up a little wider or deeper. To really make it practical you'd have to get your scout team/players to replicate that look consistently in practice as well and that may be asking a lot of a scout team member. Just my 2 cents
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 14:35:25 GMT -6
Something to think about, if a "tell" does not jump off the screen at you as a coach when you are watching film it is almost 100% guaranteed none of your players will notice it in the course of a game. In the heat of battle, with adrenaline flowing it seems best to have them focused on things you can constantly drill and teach rather then trying to figure out if a back or lineman is lined up a little wider or deeper. To really make it practical you'd have to get your scout team/players to replicate that look consistently in practice as well and that may be asking a lot of a scout team member. Just my 2 cents True, but if we we're seeing it then we can relay it to our players. |
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Post by spos21ram on Dec 14, 2016 14:36:25 GMT -6
Something to think about, if a "tell" does not jump off the screen at you as a coach when you are watching film it is almost 100% guaranteed none of your players will notice it in the course of a game. In the heat of battle, with adrenaline flowing it seems best to have them focused on things you can constantly drill and teach rather then trying to figure out if a back or lineman is lined up a little wider or deeper. To really make it practical you'd have to get your scout team/players to replicate that look consistently in practice as well and that may be asking a lot of a scout team member. Just my 2 cents When we saw an obvious tell we wouldn't be coaching our kids to "look for it". I'll use the same example I used before....So the RB would align about a foot back of the QB if it was run, even with him if it was pass. This was almost 100% accurate. Our HC/DC would simply yell "pass pass" or "run run" just as a heads up. If the kids noticed it, great, but just giving them a heads up like what our coach did doesn't make them do any extra thinking. The D line coach also had a run/pass hand signal to the line. When we think it's pass, not just from tells, he will signal pass in and the D line will adjust their get off and come up field more and our DE's loosened up their shade for a better edge rush. |
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Post by wildcatslbcoach24 on Dec 15, 2016 4:50:47 GMT -6
OL stance and butt level. Seated back less weight on hand a general pass tell, butt high weight on hand run. OL or FB leaning in stance can inidicate pull or direction they are kicking out or leading to. In HS you can sometimes tell if a WR is on a route or stalking based on body language of their stance; a lacsidasical stance possible stock. Kid in rigid stance doing best usain Bolt impression, he's on a route.
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Post by jasper912 on Dec 19, 2016 10:07:07 GMT -6
For the most part, I feel that player tells are over-hyped and rarely utilized. I remember an episode of Coach (side note, is this the first post to site the TV show 'Coach') where the DC won the national title with a play call at the end because he recognized the guard sitting back on pass plays. It makes for good TV and fans love to think about this, but if you are looking for "tells" youll be chasing ghosts more often than not. The only one I think comes up often is OLs sitting deeper off the line when they are pulling; but I'd rather my players focus on other things. We point out things like this. Then we let the kids come up with their own call for it. Coaches up top will relay down to the sideline if its something we notice. Sideline will yell out the call. One of the teams we played this year we knew every single play if it was pass or run based on how their OT had his stance. Coaches up top will tell us "rabbit" or "pie." The whole sideline would scream it and our kids knew to play either run or pass. State semis last year we won 22-0 (kneeled the ball on the 1, so should have been 28 lol) Anyways, we knew every play was pass or run based on the alignment of the RB. If he was a half step deeper than QB it was run. If he was even it was pass. One of our assistant coaches wrote the key down on a piece of paper and folded it up. Had their coach sign the outside before the game and told him if we win he was going to give that to him. He couldn't believe it. The team was averaging around 40 points per game and we shut them out in the state semis. |
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Post by lmorris on Dec 19, 2016 11:34:03 GMT -6
Found a few tells this year, played one team where the right tackle would get in a 2 point stance if he as blocking down or pass blocking, if he put his hand on the ground he was base blocking.
played one team, the deepest back in the backfield would get the ball be it the Q or the B. not much of a difference but the B would line up toe to heel, or heel to toe.
played a pistol team, the depth of the back would tell you if he was getting the ball or it was play action. 2 yds PA 3 yds running.
had a fullback, some call it h-back..if he put his hands on his thigh pads he was kicking out...if he had his elbows on his knees he was pulling
*defense Had one team line up vs trips what looked like a zone with safeties 10-12 yards deep, but were in man could tell if they were head up over 2 and 3....the Same would blitz off the edge in that situation.
If folks watch my film, we have tells from under center, the q will slightly drop one foot to help get out from under the center faster with pulling guards...he will drop one depending on which way he is opening up.
Receivers give tells bad, go back and watch your own on how they leave the huddle...their stance, also see if they look to see where the D-back is before the play starts....biggie i see is hand placement on receivers.
I watch a crap ton of film, will break down every film we get first. do our breakdowns for formations and plays, then just go through and watch game films from start to finish. put all the same play together watch them all together then switch to another play watch them all together.....sooner or later you see something that looks different. you may not know what it is that is different, but you know something does...then its like the old pictures of whats different.
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Post by coachfloyd on Dec 19, 2016 11:57:51 GMT -6
One of the teams we played this year had a defensive lineman that would stagger his foot on the direction of his slant. Thats happened twice in my career and is something I always look for.
My one year coaching defense we played Trey Matthews who plays at AU. He was a WR and everytime he knew he was getting the ball he would adjust his gloves. Its really hard to catch a fast screen when the corner knows its coming. We blew up every pass they tried to him.
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Post by 33coach on Dec 19, 2016 12:17:39 GMT -6
one thing about tells that ive learned in my career; seeing them on film, is a hell of alot different then seeing them on the field.
you have to show your players the tell during practice, on the field. especially if its something like weight transfer...kids dont have the best eye for that kind of stuff if you havnt shown them.
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Post by YoungDumbCoach on Dec 30, 2016 15:46:28 GMT -6
Quarterbacks feet in the gun was one we have seen before. Feet even it was a run. Feet staggered they were throwing
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Post by joe83843 on Dec 30, 2016 17:54:02 GMT -6
Doesn't "Football Scouting Methods" (Steve Belichick's book) have a good chapter on this subject?? It's been so long I can't remember.
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Post by coachluey on Jan 2, 2017 10:46:50 GMT -6
If I see the running back taking his gloves off thats a dead give away he's about to launch one. Sometimes I can see certain linemen whos stance will indicate pulls, pass, etc. Thing is its hard to recognize that as a 16 year old sometimes so If I see it on the sidelines I will tip them off but as long as they know their job it shouldnt matter.
The only big one that I will harp on is back alignment in the gun, its the easiest one to read what the possibilities of plays are. Everything else the player has to be able to pick up in game or they are thinking too much about "wait whats his stance say" instead of reading.
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Post by cqmiller on Jan 2, 2017 11:17:42 GMT -6
We have faced odd-stack teams that have taught their DL how to stunt into their gap by using their hands in a specific sequence, we charted which hand the 3 of them had down on each play and which way they slanted... we have got a 100% tendency a couple of times that way... nice when your OL know where the DL are gonna go presnap.
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Post by jgordon1 on Jan 2, 2017 11:58:04 GMT -6
I can see tells all the time..The problem is teaching them to your players..also it is ALOT easier to see them on film than it to see in the game due to the angle of the camera
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