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Post by rsmith627 on Dec 30, 2016 6:45:04 GMT -6
He references Brian Cain a ton. Anybody got info on his stuff? I bought his football book and it was a turd. For the life of me I can't read it. I have tried 4 or 5 times now and just can't get through it. Some people may have loved it but because of this experience I'm wary of buying anything he endorses. I will probably give CDS a read because of the recommendations on this thread however. What makes it so tough to get through?
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Post by CS on Dec 30, 2016 7:06:45 GMT -6
I bought his football book and it was a turd. For the life of me I can't read it. I have tried 4 or 5 times now and just can't get through it. Some people may have loved it but because of this experience I'm wary of buying anything he endorses. I will probably give CDS a read because of the recommendations on this thread however. What makes it so tough to get through? IMO lots of things. 1) it has his face plastered on every page. 2) it's extremely generic stuff that reads like a book of motivational posters 3) it's sort of a work book to go through for one individual mostly it was the fact that all of the stuff that was in the book was something that you could easily find by googling motivation. I think it may be something you could give to a high school kid and let them work through it. If you are some what well read I really don't feel that it is a good buy. above the line, chasing perfection and I highly recommend coaching the mental game by H.A. Dorfman
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Post by utchuckd on Dec 30, 2016 8:27:16 GMT -6
I'm about halfway through it right now. Other than needing an editor it's worth reading and has some good ideas. I like how much it stresses how intentional you have to be about instilling culture.
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Post by joelee on Dec 30, 2016 15:40:05 GMT -6
I'd like to thank coach for writing this book if he is on this site. I just went through this book for the 2nd time and took some notes. If I had this book in the spring of 2010 one of 2 things would have happened. A. I wouldn't have taken the HC job that I took. I would have asked different questions and taken another one or not at all. B. I would have taken it anyway and i'd still be there having done the reset year without getting fired and i'd now be the winning-est coach in school history 6 years later. (it hadn't had much success) The younger you are the more valuable this book can be obviously and the lessons can be learned in a slower way. I have been lucky to have hooked on with a great program and learned most of these lessons from it organically. This book is a short cut and helps you be intentional about things which we are sometimes not even if we have the knowledge.
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Post by coolhandluke on Jan 7, 2017 11:56:31 GMT -6
What makes it so tough to get through? IMO lots of things. 1) it has his face plastered on every page. 2) it's extremely generic stuff that reads like a book of motivational posters 3) it's sort of a work book to go through for one individual mostly it was the fact that all of the stuff that was in the book was something that you could easily find by googling motivation. I think it may be something you could give to a high school kid and let them work through it. If you are some what well read I really don't feel that it is a good buy. above the line, chasing perfection and I highly recommend coaching the mental game by H.A. Dorfman I agree, save your money and read something by John Wooden.
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Post by jgordon1 on Jan 7, 2017 15:50:22 GMT -6
IMO lots of things. 1) it has his face plastered on every page. 2) it's extremely generic stuff that reads like a book of motivational posters 3) it's sort of a work book to go through for one individual mostly it was the fact that all of the stuff that was in the book was something that you could easily find by googling motivation. I think it may be something you could give to a high school kid and let them work through it. If you are some what well read I really don't feel that it is a good buy. above the line, chasing perfection and I highly recommend coaching the mental game by H.A. Dorfman I agree, save your money and read something by John Wooden. Interesting...Our HC is buying the book...maybe it would be good for the kids to have a workbook. .I am going through chasing perfection right now and although I think it is a good book, I am sadly unimpressed maybe it was all the hype...I did love above the line
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Post by CS on Jan 7, 2017 17:36:59 GMT -6
I agree, save your money and read something by John Wooden. Interesting...Our HC is buying the book...maybe it would be good for the kids to have a workbook. .I am going through chasing perfection right now and although I think it is a good book, I am sadly unimpressed maybe it was all the hype...I did love above the line In chasing perfection I loved the part about how he went about dealing with parents and just his general thoughts on how to run a program. Above the line is good until he gets into the playoffs. I get that it was for dramatic affect and to show the impact of culture training but the good stuff is in the first few chapters. Im interested in why joelee wouldn't have taken the job because of CDS? That sounds real interesting to me. Also someone needs to tell me how to tag someone in a post
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Post by jgordon1 on Jan 7, 2017 19:20:33 GMT -6
CS just put the @ sign in front of the person you want to tag
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Post by CS on Jan 8, 2017 5:40:41 GMT -6
jgordon1 . Huh, well that was easy. Thanks!
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Post by KYCoach2331 on Jan 8, 2017 6:49:11 GMT -6
It was the best thing I read over winter break. I'm still in the process of reading Trickett's book so that could change but still
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Post by nltdiego on Jan 8, 2017 11:51:32 GMT -6
It was the best thing I read over winter break. I'm still in the process of reading Trickett's book so that could change but still Which one is that?
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Post by jgordon1 on Jan 28, 2017 15:48:01 GMT -6
I just got done reading it and as one poster mentioned it could have used an editor..just tough to read in certain sections.
That being said..
Pro's Overall, I did like the book and there are few few things I liked that I would use if I were a HC..Specifically, I like how he explained why he used music during practices and how they lined up for the National Anthem. there were a few other things I like too
Con's. I felt like it was just a collection of ideas taken from TED videos, reading Carol Dweck, Angela Duckworth and other books he read along the way. I also didn't like the parts about leaving all the schools to basically climb the ladder. ..Although the first story about sitting in ISR was funny. also, I didn't like the story of equating toughness to playing w/o a knee ligament..the kid is injured yet plays because its a championship game..would he have played if the game didn't matter? I doubt it.
Its a lot easier to implement these ideas when you have 14 assistants and an athletic period.
Bottom Line: IMO, the book should be titled "Here are some pretty cool ideas for your football team and this is how we did it" again, IMO, If you want learn about culture, actually read Dweck and Duckworth. Also I recommend Brett Ledbetter, Jim Loehr and Jeff Janssen
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Post by jeremiahd86 on Jan 30, 2017 11:57:25 GMT -6
I liked the book a lot. It had many ideas that as a young coach i wouldn't have thought of. True that all of his ideas don't transfer to schools out of Texas but the general rules apply wherever. Also it is a good tool for many of us who aren't winning a a lot of games.
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Post by CS on Feb 5, 2017 6:12:12 GMT -6
I just saw him speak at our state coaches clinic and I enjoyed it. Like others have said what he does isn't ground breaking.
Basically, have some system in place and hold kids accountable to it.
Anyway, I will probably buy it because its 15 bucks and I will get a few ideas from it I'm sure
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Post by runitupthemiddle on Feb 5, 2017 20:13:30 GMT -6
I agree, save your money and read something by John Wooden. Interesting...Our HC is buying the book...maybe it would be good for the kids to have a workbook. .I am going through chasing perfection right now and although I think it is a good book, I am sadly unimpressed maybe it was all the hype...I did love above the line The "Be an 11" stuff by bfs is good if you are looking for a workbook style material.
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Post by nicku on Feb 8, 2017 20:52:29 GMT -6
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Post by huddlehut on Feb 8, 2017 22:18:56 GMT -6
Not trying to be snarky here... Just wondering if I'm the only one that this kind of thing bothers...
Is it really legit for a coach to say that he "builds" programs if he only stays places for three years before moving on to the next school? Can a coach really instill a "culture" in three years? Certainly, some things can be changed in a program but is three years long enough for a coach to say that he rebuilt the program and changed the culture?
Grapevine HS just won the state baseball championship last spring and that area (DFW Metroplex) is filled with tremendous talent, fantastic programs and wonderful facilities... GHS ain't exactly a "culture desert." I'm just wondering if sometimes we coaches might give ourselves a bit too much credit for "building" when, in reality, we were just fortunate enough to have found that our tenure at a school coincided with a good run of athletes. Now, stay there and win for six, seven, ten years...that's a different story!
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Post by veerwego on Feb 9, 2017 9:26:08 GMT -6
I'm about halfway through. It is worth the read. Some good ideas and reinforces some things. As already stated, not groundbreaking but worth the time and $.
Also, working on Bob Ladoucer's Chasing Perfection. Really like it more, but I'm an option guy.
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