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Post by 19delta on Dec 7, 2016 21:06:25 GMT -6
19delta How good were those teams he was on? OK. His junior year, we were 7-4. He got his leg broke Week 9 and was done for the year. We lost in the 2nd round of the playoffs that year. Senior year, we were 10-1. Lost in the 2nd round again.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Dec 7, 2016 22:18:53 GMT -6
Just my 2 cents as well-
Being at every workout guarantees you nothing other than:
1) You probably will be a LOT better next season 2) You will get a chance to compete for a spot
It is the expectation. Championship teams are full of players that strive to exceed the expectations. THAT is what is communicated (i.e. "You can't have championship goals with cellar-dweller effort...") Like others have said- you have good intentions with this, but it will great division among your players. Accountability doesn't have to be enforced this way.
I just feel that seniority rules a few things- one of which is jersey choice. Another is seat on the bus. Another is line order for pre-game meal. It becomes something the kids discuss among themselves and create their own hierarchy. When youngsters get pulled up to varsity they get to choose jersey number based on what's open. If #3 comes open next year whoever wants it will have to sort it out- I'm not delegating it.
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Post by mholst40 on Dec 7, 2016 23:52:27 GMT -6
So if a senior who isn't good shows up in August and you haven't seen him since November, he gets to pick his number over a hard working junior?
If jersey number is that important to someone,they should show up in the off-season or else it can't be that important. I don't want a kid who played his junior year to take the off-season off and think he deserves something from the program for doing nothing to better himself or the team.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Dec 8, 2016 7:32:49 GMT -6
So if a senior who isn't good shows up in August and you haven't seen him since November, he gets to pick his number over a hard working junior? If jersey number is that important to someone,they should show up in the off-season or else it can't be that important. I don't want a kid who played his junior year to take the off-season off and think he deserves something from the program for doing nothing to better himself or the team. I agree. May have not elaborated enough in my last post. I should have prefaced it by saying that you have those guys who meet expectations or don't. If a senior shows up in August and he hasn't been grinding we send him home. Jersey's that are "open" due to graduation/matriculation are up for grabs. NOBODY can take someone's number unless they both agree on it.
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Post by PSS on Dec 8, 2016 8:11:40 GMT -6
So if a senior who isn't good shows up in August and you haven't seen him since November, he gets to pick his number over a hard working junior? If jersey number is that important to someone,they should show up in the off-season or else it can't be that important. I don't want a kid who played his junior year to take the off-season off and think he deserves something from the program for doing nothing to better himself or the team. That type of kid would never play. If you're a junior and don't go through offseason then you will not be on the team your senior year. In order to be a part of the team you have to participate in offseason, if not then you're not going to be on the team. It's that simple.
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Post by StraightFlexin on Dec 8, 2016 9:31:34 GMT -6
I have been doing this for awhile now and players know what to expect. I did have a parent contact me two years about their Sr. son not getting the number that was on his varsity jacket and it would have cost $100 or so to fix. Well workouts were free so there you go I think that as long as the parents and the kids know in advance that they could lose a number if they don't meet a minimum number of weight room sessions, there is nothing wrong with what you are doing here. The tough thing for a lot of coaches would be sticking to their guns. For example, you have a senior who is a good kid and a player you are counting on to contribute but kind of slacked off in the weight room. A lot of coaches would find an excuse to give a kid like that a mulligan and let him keep his jersey number. Just curious, but what was this player's excuse for not getting in the weight room? When you explained to his parents why he had lost his number, what did they say? The hard part is staying consistent, but its that way with many things. I tell the parents our stance on numbers and equipment in our pre & post season meetings. If they are involved in another season sport, they get credit for weight room sessions. That player didn't have an excuse for why he missed our summer sessions, the parents were upset about the situation, might have contacted the AD....... but thats been my policy so it ended there.
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Post by jgordon1 on Dec 8, 2016 9:35:01 GMT -6
Well, here is my 2 cents #1 I think it is divisive. I think a team needs to work together for a goal not against one another for a game shirt. If your top kids don't lift there is something wrong in your program. rewarding some soph that comes to everything, raises $$$ ,but is never going to see the field with a "good" shirt I don't think is going to help your team. We all have "that kid" don't we. #2 so your best kid misses a few lifts and this "super soph" wants that #..are you really going to give it to him...I think we have all made accommodations for that special kid #3 our basketball teams play 2-3 nights a week..Is a kid going to be penalized for not lifting after an away game when he gets home at 10pm and still has to do homework So, how do you assign uniform #'s? Do the best kids get rewarded even if they weren't around? Coaches love to teach "life skills"... at least they say that. Shouldn't one of those lessons be that you earn things, you're not given them? I understand where you're coming from, but if a uniform number is going to cause a rift in your team aren't you screwed anyway. How do you change the culture of a program if you can't reward kids who are working hard? The most talented kids can't be catered to. That creates a team with division in it. Isn't that one way to get kids to want to come and lift? Its a very good question and one that is tough to answer...I guess the bottom line is that I will, as head coach, assign a number if it becomes a problem..I am just not going to pull a number off a kids back. Is it fair..well I'm not sure but as an HC ( and I am not) I will make it equitable..so for instance, this year we had a kid miss a playoff game, yes a playoff game because he had to go to a family wedding..Was i disappointed ,well yes, but it was not the kids fault...Now this kid NEVER EVER misses anything..I will be dammed if a sophomore or anyone for that matter is going to take that kids jersey.. here is another thing: I notice that I see many coaches on here saying they do this and they do that...yea..not so sure about that we all make "exceptions to the rule" for the great ones..Before i make a team rule, the question I ask myself is will I enforce it against my best player...
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Post by olinecoach70 on Dec 9, 2016 10:10:57 GMT -6
I don't know if this has been mentioned, I didn't read every single response, but for what it's worth i remember hearing about Temple allowing the team to vote on the guys that could wear #'s 1-10. I think that's a cool idea for your skill stud type players.
I also like the idea of the points system and earning numbers, but these days kids will transfer over crap like that.I don't know if I am right or wrong and I haven't been a HC yet, but if a kid isn't playing a spring sport or working out at all, or at least enough to show up to 75% workouts then I don't think he's gonna be good for the program no matter how talented. That stuff breeds malcontents and resentment from other players.
I believe we make time for what's most important to us. And there can definitely be circumstances when compromises can be made, but if he just isn't showing up because he don't want to work, I think that's unacceptable. It won't work like that with his 9-5 once he's grown. Gotta work to eat.
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Post by spreadattack on Dec 9, 2016 13:04:54 GMT -6
I am all about rewarding dedication and performance, but I don't like messing around with numbers. Somewhat off topic but it reminds me of this great story about Steve Spurrier and James Bates's number 44:
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