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Post by s1ngwing on Nov 28, 2016 21:45:12 GMT -6
Let me start by saying we traditionally have good off season attendance but we encourage our kids to play multiple sports so we are missing 25-30 kids in the winter and then again in the spring to sports. This year we are moving to morning workouts from 7:00-8:30 to get our in season athletes in the weight room at least twice a week. One of the ways we are considering getting in season kids to lift is by rewarding the kids with the best attendance. We lift 4 days a week. We are asking in season kids to lift twice a week. We credit them 2 days a week by playing a sport.
We are looking at having kids pick their jersey number when they attend their 80th weight room. What do you see as the pros and cons to something like this? Example a rising senior wore #3 last year but misses 1 weight room. A rising sophomore misses 0. The rising sophomore could take the #3.
Just brainstorming and always looking for ideas.
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Post by wingtol on Nov 28, 2016 21:50:50 GMT -6
When rising seniors parents storm your office wearing all the custom apparel with the number 3 on it you better have some good reasons why you gave their kids number away. That's a chit storm waiting to happen if you ask me.
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Post by PIGSKIN11 on Nov 28, 2016 21:56:15 GMT -6
When rising seniors parents storm your office wearing all the custom apparel with the number 3 on it you better have some good reasons why you gave their kids number away. That's a chit storm waiting to happen if you ask me. As long as everyone knows ahead of time there should be no issue We have given out jersey numbers by Pride Points for about 4 years now... We use it for Varsity, then JV and then Frosh... We select numbers in late June - so no one should have bought any gear yet... I know the kids work some backroom deals but I discourage it and tell to pick whatever they want - they earned it...
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Post by chi5hi on Nov 28, 2016 22:21:29 GMT -6
Starters retain their previous year's number.
I let the players select their own, seniors on down. Never been an issue.
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Post by coachgutz on Nov 29, 2016 10:27:20 GMT -6
We go off of off-season participation (weight room and sport) and if they are good standing as far as grades and any off season activity we have. If there is a tie, the upper classmen go first. Usually we have a group of seniors/returners who get to pick first because they know what is expected and follow through.
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Post by carookie on Nov 29, 2016 10:42:45 GMT -6
Let me start by saying we traditionally have good off season attendance but we encourage our kids to play multiple sports so we are missing 25-30 kids in the winter and then again in the spring to sports. This year we are moving to morning workouts from 7:00-8:30 to get our in season athletes in the weight room at least twice a week. One of the ways we are considering getting in season kids to lift is by rewarding the kids with the best attendance. We lift 4 days a week. We are asking in season kids to lift twice a week. We credit them 2 days a week by playing a sport. We are looking at having kids pick their jersey number when they attend their 80th weight room. What do you see as the pros and cons to something like this? Example a rising senior wore #3 last year but misses 1 weight room. A rising sophomore misses 0. The rising sophomore could take the #3. Just brainstorming and always looking for ideas. I am all for rewarding kids for wt room attendance, and have been part of a lot successful type of offseason reward programs like you have designed (kudos). I think I see two possible issues though: 1) Football workouts during other sport seasons. I too am a proponent of kids playing other sports, and I do not know your relationship with other coaches (so maybe this won't be an issue); but I can see a clash of having your kids workout during other sport seasons. First off, it surprises me that other sports arent lifting in season and that you have to have football lifts for athletes in other sports; but I would be shocked if you didnt get flak for this from other sport coaches. I imagine you would have some issues if your baseball coach had your QB come in mornings during the football season to throw pitches, or your track coach was having your dbs run 400s the day before the game. I believe that when they are in another sport they get 100% attendance for days they are in that sport (assuming the finish the season) and not to allow double dipping. It can lead to issues with other coaches and I wouldnt want them to do it to us. 2) Keeping a uniform helps with getting recruited. I don't know how much stock I put into this, but I used to coach for a HC who spent a lot of time as a D1 coach and did a lot of recruiting; he did not allow athletes to change numbers between seasons (particularly upperclassmen). He felt it hurt them in the recruiting process. I don't know why (continuity?), but I do know he did an amazing job at getting kids recruited, and even if this were a small thing it could be something to take into account.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2016 11:53:57 GMT -6
In our program seniors get first pick, then juniors, then sophomores, then freshmen. I'm not really a fan of this method because it allows a senior jackass to pick a number that a hard charging sophomore wants (and should get). I'm not the chief, just an indian, so I go along with it.
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Post by knightfan64 on Nov 30, 2016 19:47:31 GMT -6
One way I did it last year was I had all kids who were eligible for varsity fill out a card with top 4 jersey # choices and all kids for JV do the same. Kids put their name on the back, and we organized the names by Pride Points and constructed the roster, so if you came up and your first and second pick were gone you got your third pick....why do it on cards? Well, it kept the seniors or younger guys from getting mad at the individual or taunting or intimidating a younger kid fro taking their number.
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Post by lions23 on Nov 30, 2016 21:11:35 GMT -6
We earn everything from numbers to equipment to the place you eat at team dinner.
We don't care what your number was last year. If you don't participate you don't pick first.
The only thing that got in the way a few years ago when we started was we announced when we would pick numbers. We had kids who were popular but down on the list lobbying for other kids to leave their old number alone.
Now our manager comes by on a random day at the end of summer and walks up to kids quietly and asks their pick. No more lobbying.
I will add we have had great success and I think the accountability and rewards have factored into it.
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Post by joelee on Dec 1, 2016 11:54:30 GMT -6
I had kids earn everything from locker, number, equipment. It was a giant chit storm and I got fired at the end of the year. (not the only reason I got fired) People with a losing mentality don't like accountability I discovered. (#1 reason I got fired)
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Post by cqmiller on Dec 1, 2016 16:30:42 GMT -6
When I was doing it, I set the number so that as long as the kids came 75% of the times it was offered, they were able to pick their jersey numbers in grade order...
Seniors above 75 Juniors above 75 Sophs above 75 Frosh above 75 Seniors below 75 Juniors below 75 Sophs below 75 Frosh below 75
Basketball coaches wouldn't want their kids lifting the morning of a game, so if they didn't come, it really didn't affect their football unless they wanted to be a captain... to be a captain, you had to be at 90% or higher.
The fun fights were over 2 kids in the same grade who wanted the same jersey number... one kid has 92% another had 93%, so the 93 got to pick 1st. Always did it from highest to lowest within a grade so that there wasn't any taking back of jerseys.
Only had 1 time an upperclassmen lost a number to an underclassmen... Returning starting QB thought he could do what he wanted and a freshman QB took his number... caused a little bit of drama, but that kid ended up getting kicked off his college team in less than a semester after I warned the coaching staff that he wasn't a kid I would recommend or put my faith in... they signed him anyway and now he's gone.
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Post by newhope on Dec 6, 2016 8:56:06 GMT -6
The problem I see is with the kids who are in other sports. In my opinion, you're asking for trouble if you take away their number. I have no issue with not giving a number to a kid who doesn't do any or little off season work, but you need to make allowances for those in other sports. As for your example of a soph with 0 misses taking the jersey of a senior with 1 miss--well, if you do those sort of things, you better win a lot of games because you're going to make a lot of enemies and you may just get to try your ideas out in a new place.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2016 9:10:51 GMT -6
When doing these points systems, do you not reward the students that participate in other sports and finish in good standing? So if you can earn 100 points in the winter lifting session, a student that finishes their winter sport in good standing should also earn 100 points.
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Post by cqmiller on Dec 6, 2016 9:46:21 GMT -6
When doing these points systems, do you not reward the students that participate in other sports and finish in good standing? So if you can earn 100 points in the winter lifting session, a student that finishes their winter sport in good standing should also earn 100 points. I've seen systems like that, but every school I've been at, the basketball coach and baseball coach NEVER have them lift during season... Those kids are competing, which is good, but I need them in the weightroom... That's why I used the 75% number. Gives kids in other sports a lot of wiggle-room so they can compete, but they still get enough lifting in that they are gonna be bigger and stronger the next football season.
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Post by PSS on Dec 6, 2016 9:57:43 GMT -6
If you were on varsity, i.e. lettered, the previous year you can keep your number. Most of the time for numbers are assigned as we move kids up. We may give them the choice between a couple of numbers and let them choose.
Where we would run into problems for earning numbers each year is for returning lettermen. When they letter they get a letter jacket and the majority will order patches, including a patch for their jersey number. It's not worth the headache of dealing with parents over this issue. IMO, there are other ways to hold them accountable for weightroom / summer attendance.
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Post by jbutch17 on Dec 6, 2016 11:11:46 GMT -6
If you are a 3 sport guy the missed weight room time or reduced weight room time never appears. If you are a football only or football and spring or winter sport only, the missed/reduced weight room time typically isnt an issue
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Post by StraightFlexin on Dec 6, 2016 11:50:37 GMT -6
I have been doing this for awhile now and players know what to expect. I did have a parent contact me two years about their Sr. son not getting the number that was on his varsity jacket and it would have cost $100 or so to fix. Well workouts were free so there you go
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Post by utchuckd on Dec 7, 2016 7:44:50 GMT -6
We pick jersey numbers by off season attendance. But once you have a number it's yours as long as you are on the team. Our picking order is returning players that want to change numbers, then new players that need a number, sorted by off season attendance within each group.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 10:02:12 GMT -6
We pick jerseys based off of out of winter, spring, summer weight room attendance, participation in the schools athletic physical education program, winter and spring sport participation, as well as their participation in football the season previously.
So all things equal, a senior that has played his entire high school career has a leg up on a sophomore, points wise.
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Post by 19delta on Dec 7, 2016 12:16:25 GMT -6
I have been doing this for awhile now and players know what to expect. I did have a parent contact me two years about their Sr. son not getting the number that was on his varsity jacket and it would have cost $100 or so to fix. Well workouts were free so there you go I think that as long as the parents and the kids know in advance that they could lose a number if they don't meet a minimum number of weight room sessions, there is nothing wrong with what you are doing here. The tough thing for a lot of coaches would be sticking to their guns. For example, you have a senior who is a good kid and a player you are counting on to contribute but kind of slacked off in the weight room. A lot of coaches would find an excuse to give a kid like that a mulligan and let him keep his jersey number. Just curious, but what was this player's excuse for not getting in the weight room? When you explained to his parents why he had lost his number, what did they say?
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Post by 19delta on Dec 7, 2016 12:20:24 GMT -6
For those of you guys who do something like this, are there any exceptions? For example, a kid'd parents are divorced and he has to go and spend the summer with the non-custodial parent.
In those cases, are you still holding the kid's feet to the fire? Or are there some "loopholes" you build in for these kinds of situations?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 12:37:42 GMT -6
For those of you guys who do something like this, are there any exceptions? For example, a kid'd parents are divorced and he has to go and spend the summer with the non-custodial parent. In those cases, are you still holding the kid's feet to the fire? Or are there some "loopholes" you build in for these kinds of situations? In the past, I have had "responsibility sheets" where if you knew you were going to be gone, you had to fill out a sheet with the dates, the reason why, have them signed and supply a parent phone number so we can confirm. If a student was able to provide that, we gave them credit as if they were there.
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Post by mholst40 on Dec 7, 2016 16:22:13 GMT -6
We use a points system. You can earn points via off-season weight room attendance or by playing another sport. We weigh those points the same.
Points determine order for jersey # selection, equipment selection and team dinner order.
I had a senior parent complain to my principal despite knowing for 4 years how the system works. It pisses people off, but I love when someone's number gets "stolen".
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Post by jgordon1 on Dec 7, 2016 17:32:12 GMT -6
Well, here is my 2 cents
#1 I think it is divisive. I think a team needs to work together for a goal not against one another for a game shirt. If your top kids don't lift there is something wrong in your program. rewarding some soph that comes to everything, raises $$$ ,but is never going to see the field with a "good" shirt I don't think is going to help your team. We all have "that kid" don't we.
#2 so your best kid misses a few lifts and this "super soph" wants that #..are you really going to give it to him...I think we have all made accommodations for that special kid
#3 our basketball teams play 2-3 nights a week..Is a kid going to be penalized for not lifting after an away game when he gets home at 10pm and still has to do homework
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Post by mholst40 on Dec 7, 2016 17:41:10 GMT -6
Well, here is my 2 cents #1 I think it is divisive. I think a team needs to work together for a goal not against one another for a game shirt. If your top kids don't lift there is something wrong in your program. rewarding some soph that comes to everything, raises $$$ ,but is never going to see the field with a "good" shirt I don't think is going to help your team. We all have "that kid" don't we. #2 so your best kid misses a few lifts and this "super soph" wants that #..are you really going to give it to him...I think we have all made accommodations for that special kid #3 our basketball teams play 2-3 nights a week..Is a kid going to be penalized for not lifting after an away game when he gets home at 10pm and still has to do homework So, how do you assign uniform #'s? Do the best kids get rewarded even if they weren't around? Coaches love to teach "life skills"... at least they say that. Shouldn't one of those lessons be that you earn things, you're not given them? I understand where you're coming from, but if a uniform number is going to cause a rift in your team aren't you screwed anyway. How do you change the culture of a program if you can't reward kids who are working hard? The most talented kids can't be catered to. That creates a team with division in it. Isn't that one way to get kids to want to come and lift?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 17:56:38 GMT -6
Jimmy Johnson said that if Troy Aikman fell asleep during film he'd wake him up but if a rookie special teams guy fell asleep he'd cut him on the spot. Life isn't always fair, learning that is a life skill. If my stud senior middle linebacker missed a few workouts for family vacation and does a lousy job of fundraising I'm not giving his jersey to a slappy sophomore that is at all the lifts and sells a lot of tickets to the pancake breakfast.
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Post by morris on Dec 7, 2016 18:37:29 GMT -6
I had kids earn everything from locker, number, equipment. It was a giant chit storm and I got fired at the end of the year. (not the only reason I got fired) People with a losing mentality don't like accountability I discovered. (#1 reason I got fired) So do you think the approach is a bad one or one that doesn't work at certain places?
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Post by joelee on Dec 7, 2016 20:13:40 GMT -6
I had kids earn everything from locker, number, equipment. It was a giant chit storm and I got fired at the end of the year. (not the only reason I got fired) People with a losing mentality don't like accountability I discovered. (#1 reason I got fired) So do you think the approach is a bad one or one that doesn't work at certain places? I'd go back and try to communicate it differently and change less in year 1. Evolve into it.
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Post by 19delta on Dec 7, 2016 20:14:09 GMT -6
Well, here is my 2 cents #1 I think it is divisive. I think a team needs to work together for a goal not against one another for a game shirt. If your top kids don't lift there is something wrong in your program. rewarding some soph that comes to everything, raises $$$ ,but is never going to see the field with a "good" shirt I don't think is going to help your team. We all have "that kid" don't we. #2 so your best kid misses a few lifts and this "super soph" wants that #..are you really going to give it to him...I think we have all made accommodations for that special kid #3 our basketball teams play 2-3 nights a week..Is a kid going to be penalized for not lifting after an away game when he gets home at 10pm and still has to do homework So, how do you assign uniform #'s? Do the best kids get rewarded even if they weren't around? Coaches love to teach "life skills"... at least they say that. Shouldn't one of those lessons be that you earn things, you're not given them? I understand where you're coming from, but if a uniform number is going to cause a rift in your team aren't you screwed anyway. How do you change the culture of a program if you can't reward kids who are working hard? The most talented kids can't be catered to. That creates a team with division in it. Isn't that one way to get kids to want to come and lift? I guess it depends on your definition of "best kids". 15 years ago, we had an all-State RB. Rushed for almost 3,000 yards his junior and senior year. Kid was a preferred walk-on at a Big 10 school. Pretty good for coming out of a tiny, rural high school program. Also played basketball and ran track. Kid was 6-1, 200lbs, and ran a 4.7 40 (FAT). Best high school football player I ever coached. Anyway, the kid didn't lift. He just didn't like lifting weights. His family owned and operated a huge hog farm and he was a big part of the family business. And, without spending any time in our weight room, I knew he could still outsquat and outbench anyone on our team. Genetic freak...he definitely won the Lucky DNA Lottery. And he was a great kid. Terrific student, class president, good citizen, prom king...all that stuff. He worked his a$$ off during the football season but when the season was over, he was done. That was it. We literally wouldn't see him until football started the following summer. There was no way in H E L L that we were going to take his jersey # away and give it to some pimply-faced sophomore who improved his bench press from 95lbs to 115lbs over the summer!
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Post by mholst40 on Dec 7, 2016 20:46:53 GMT -6
19delta How good were those teams he was on?
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