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Post by jsk002 on Nov 17, 2016 17:06:41 GMT -6
Hello All,
I am re-evaluating the structure and responsibilities of my coaching staff. We are a small program where our kids need to play both ways, therefore my coaches need to coach both ways. I have a staff of 6 total (HC and 5 Assistants). How would you define the roles of the staff. For example:
Coach 1 = HC - OC - QB Coach / DB Coach. Coach 2 = DC - LB Coach Coach 3 = Special Teams Coordinator - RB Coach
The examples above are not necessarily how I have it structured.
Here are the roles that need to be served:
HC OC DC Special Teams Coordinator QB Coach OL Coach WR Coach RB Coach TE / H Coach DB Coach DL Coach LB Coach
I am looking for a fresh perspective and what an ideal situation would look like. Not all situations are ideal so if you also can provide us what your program looks like that would be beneficial.
Thanks
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Post by spreadjet31 on Nov 17, 2016 17:17:28 GMT -6
I have 4 coaches in addition to myself. I also have 2 freshman coaches, but other than pre-season, they are separate from us. I'm the HC and par time QB coach. My QB coach is a volunteer with a demanding job so I only see him twice a week and game nights. So I handle QBs when he's unavailable. I also coach the weak and strong safeties in our 4-2-5 defense. Others: DC-LBs/RBs, JV HC-OL/DL, JV asst.-wR/DBs. The Jv asst. and I split special teams.
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Post by carookie on Nov 17, 2016 17:58:55 GMT -6
This question may seem silly, but what do you run on both sides of the ball? I ask because certain schemes have differing amounts of positions required (ie spread offenses may not really need a TE coach)?
Also, what are the availabilities of the coaches, and possibly the backgrounds?
In general, coaches who coach both way tend to coach partner groups from each side of the ball (DL/OL, DB/WR, etc) I think this is because people coach what they know and they most likely had time working at each.
I think more importantly than who coaches what position is delegating who focuses on what assignments (who inputs defense on hudl, offense, who watches what in the box, who is on the field). Even coaches who coach both O & D tend to focus more on one side or the other so you may want to have a certain amount of redundancy to cover for this during game day.
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Post by hsrose on Nov 17, 2016 20:32:11 GMT -6
I have 9 coaches for 2 levels. We platoon the coaches so the LB coach only coaches the LB's, but at both levels. Makes the coaches get better at their craft and ensures that the same techniques and calls are being made at both levels.
If it was me, and assuming 2 levels, I'd go something like this: HC - Special teams coordinator, backs & receivers, skill guys A1 - OC - QB's & maybe backs depending on offense scheme A2 - DC - LB's A3 - DL A4 - DB's A5 - OL
Each assistant would have special team coaching assignment. HC and either OC or DC stays with varsity level for pregame. Other 4 coach the JV game.
When 1 level is doing defense, the other is doing offense. Works for us.
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Post by coachtua on Nov 18, 2016 3:18:26 GMT -6
We have 7 on staff. HC/DC inside receivers and OLB OC RB No defense QB no defense JV HC/OC OL No defense WR/DB ST DL OL assist ILB No offense JV DC
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Post by tabs52 on Nov 18, 2016 6:21:37 GMT -6
I am in a very similar type of school with the same staff numbers and players that have to go both ways. Our structure is a follows:
HC-OC/QB on Def. He tends to float a lot this year took care of our SS 2nd Asst-OL Coach#2/DC/DL coach 3rd Asst-OL Coach #1/LB Coach 4th Asst-WR Coach/DB Coach/Handles ST (FS) 5th Asst-RB Coach/DB Coach(Corners) 6th Asst-WR(Slot)/DB Coach (FS) Voluteer-TE/DE Coach
When we go team we try to divide the staff to coach on both sides of the ball the HC/OL1/3rd and 6th Asst stay Offense 2nd Asst/5th Asst/Volunteer Run Scout Defense
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Post by **** on Nov 18, 2016 7:04:56 GMT -6
Let them coach what they know.
How ours is set up...
HC/OC/Backfield (help on Defense where needed) DC/ILB (help on Offense where needed) TE/OLB (floats between OL and WR based on what we're working) OL/DL WR/TE/DB
We run UBSW and are multiple on defense.
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Post by jsk002 on Nov 18, 2016 7:48:40 GMT -6
I am in a very similar type of school with the same staff numbers and players that have to go both ways. Our structure is a follows: HC-OC/QB on Def. He tends to float a lot this year took care of our SS 2nd Asst-OL Coach#2/DC/DL coach 3rd Asst-OL Coach #1/LB Coach 4th Asst-WR Coach/DB Coach/Handles ST (FS) 5th Asst-RB Coach/DB Coach(Corners) 6th Asst-WR(Slot)/DB Coach (FS) Voluteer-TE/DE Coach When we go team we try to divide the staff to coach on both sides of the ball the HC/OL1/3rd and 6th Asst stay Offense 2nd Asst/5th Asst/Volunteer Run Scout Defense Tabs52 - What are the responsibilities of OL Coach #2. How much time does that take away from your 2nd Assistants role as DC?
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Post by olcoach53 on Nov 18, 2016 7:54:58 GMT -6
We had a large staff this season. It boiled down to HC OC-QBs OL-that was me WR/DB WR/RB RB DC-ILBS DL DB OLB OLB
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Post by tabs52 on Nov 18, 2016 8:57:59 GMT -6
I am in a very similar type of school with the same staff numbers and players that have to go both ways. Our structure is a follows: HC-OC/QB on Def. He tends to float a lot this year took care of our SS 2nd Asst-OL Coach#2/DC/DL coach 3rd Asst-OL Coach #1/LB Coach 4th Asst-WR Coach/DB Coach/Handles ST (FS) 5th Asst-RB Coach/DB Coach(Corners) 6th Asst-WR(Slot)/DB Coach (FS) Voluteer-TE/DE Coach When we go team we try to divide the staff to coach on both sides of the ball the HC/OL1/3rd and 6th Asst stay Offense 2nd Asst/5th Asst/Volunteer Run Scout Defense Tabs52 - What are the responsibilities of OL Coach #2. How much time does that take away from your 2nd Assistants role as DC? None, practice wise we usually split to work on specifics for the week. Game plan myself and the HC will work run and pass schemes so he can focus on his defensive responsibilities
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Post by powers714 on Nov 18, 2016 10:10:33 GMT -6
We are 6A-1 in Oklahoma, and were very understaffed but made it work as we are 11-0 going into semis tonight.
Varsity HC- OC/QBs Offensive Assistant- OL Coach, Associate HC Offensive Assitant- WR/TE/RB (Wherever he was needed) DC- Secondary Defensive Assistant- Inside Linebackers Defensive Assistant- Outside Linebackers S&C Coach- Defensive Line S&C GA- Defensive line (SCOUT TEAM GUY)
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Post by powers714 on Nov 18, 2016 10:12:56 GMT -6
At a 2a School In Oklahoma last year we were also very short staffed and made it work going 2 rounds and out.
HC- Offensive Line, Defensive Overseer OC- QBs, RBs, LBs on defense did scout for defense DC- Secondary, WR on offense did scout for offense Assistant 1- RB/DL Volunteer- Offensive Line Volunteer- Defensive Line Volunteer- QB help
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Post by cwaltsmith on Nov 18, 2016 11:02:04 GMT -6
To me you have to have 3 coaches to be successful teaching fundamentals at all. Hopefully you get to have more. Here is how I break it down...
HC OC DC OLINE TE/HB WR RB QB DLINE ILB OLB DB
youcould combine a number of these responsibilities depending on how many you have and what you run. Also unless you practice seperately you need 2 coaches that coordinate the frosh and 2 for JV to be ideal
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Post by Chris Clement on Nov 18, 2016 14:38:44 GMT -6
This is actually an interesting math problem but it needs constraints. Are there any coaches with experience or specialties?
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Post by jsk002 on Nov 21, 2016 14:01:30 GMT -6
This is actually an interesting math problem but it needs constraints. Are there any coaches with experience or specialties? Obviously there are coaches with experience / specialties on my self. However, I really wanted to keep this general (as much as possible). Suffice it to say that with my staff I have options.
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Post by coachcb on Nov 22, 2016 10:24:06 GMT -6
It really depends on the staff you're looking at. I have always felt that it was prudent for the HC to be a coordinator and to coach the OL and DBs. Those two positions are the most difficult to coach and you need a quality guy there. I also think it's important to have the assistants coach positions other than the ones that they played. This forces them to learn that position which helps them have a better understanding of the schemes, overall. Plus, those guys tend to coach the way they were coached (drills, cue words, etc..) which may not be a good thing. I think it's good to put some pressure on the assistants and have them start from scratch with another position.
I had a former high school/small college QB working with our QBs one year and it didn't work well. It seemed like a good fit at the time but it was clear to me that he hadn't gotten the best coaching when he played. He is a big dude with a strong arm and his high school and college coaches never taught him proper throwing mechanics. He can throw a 10 yard out on a frozen rope using crap form but couldn't understand why a 5'10'', 160lb sophomore QB couldn't do the same thing...He had a bit of an ego too and that made for a few interesting "discussions" in the coaches' office.
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Post by mrjvi on Nov 22, 2016 12:49:57 GMT -6
Being the head coach, our teams got immediately better when I started coaching OL instead of the back field. I guess experience and paying more attention to detail helped. I always want a defensive coordinator that can coach all those D positions and he should put himself on the most needed. Probably DB's like you said. I overview the D, strongly if needed but I don't micro manage. I coordinate the O.
At the school I have been at the last 20 we have 4 varsity coaches, 2 JV, 2 Frosh, 2 8th grade, 2 7th grade. The smaller one I may be at in a few weeks has Varsity, JV and 1 modified team. 2 coaches at each level. That might be the biggest adjustment.
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Post by runitupthemiddle on Nov 22, 2016 13:48:50 GMT -6
There is a good coach Daniel podcast on the 10 roles/types of coaches on staff
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Post by coachbdud on Nov 22, 2016 14:15:12 GMT -6
Hello All, I am re-evaluating the structure and responsibilities of my coaching staff. We are a small program where our kids need to play both ways, therefore my coaches need to coach both ways. I have a staff of 6 total (HC and 5 Assistants). How would you define the roles of the staff. For example: Coach 1 = HC - OC - QB Coach / DB Coach. Coach 2 = DC - LB Coach Coach 3 = Special Teams Coordinator - RB Coach The examples above are not necessarily how I have it structured. Here are the roles that need to be served: HC OC DC Special Teams Coordinator QB Coach OL Coach WR Coach RB Coach TE / H Coach DB Coach DL Coach LB Coach I am looking for a fresh perspective and what an ideal situation would look like. Not all situations are ideal so if you also can provide us what your program looks like that would be beneficial. Thanks Ideal is whatever guys know we have a bit larger staff but if i had to condense our staff, based off of what we currently already do (and could do, since we are combining guys ) HC - DC/LB coach /RB Coach OC (me) OL - QB Coach TE/H and DB coach /Special Teams Coach WR/DB Coach DL Coach
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Post by BootNShoot on Nov 23, 2016 19:57:52 GMT -6
HC - DC/Oline/ILB/Kickoff/Punt Return/Specials Assistant- OC/Oline/DE/Punt/PAT Assistant- Oline/OLB Assistant- JV/RB/DT/Kick Return Assistant- JV/RB/DB
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