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Post by coachhads on Nov 16, 2016 20:36:08 GMT -6
As the season is starting to wind down, I'm curious to learn about pain points other coaches are having. It can be anything from dealing with players, to educating players, to having too few players.
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Post by coachbradford on Nov 17, 2016 9:28:54 GMT -6
A fellow coach and I took over a program that has never won... thought it would be a fun experience (wow, I was so wrong). They had never actually been coached before. But, here are thing that I had trouble with defensively. 1. Run fits, kids didn't understand why they couldn't just follow the ball. 2. Understanding zones... most couldn't tell you where the flats were 3. Blitz path... 2 yards outside the nearest back.
They improved a lot during the season but it was definitely a growing pain. I wish them luck next year. Love the kids but their parents here are nuts, time to move on.
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Post by coachhads on Nov 17, 2016 9:43:15 GMT -6
A fellow coach and I took over a program that has never won... thought it would be a fun experience (wow, I was so wrong). They had never actually been coached before. But, here are thing that I had trouble with defensively. 1. Run fits, kids didn't understand why they couldn't just follow the ball. 2. Understanding zones... most couldn't tell you where the flats were 3. Blitz path... 2 yards outside the nearest back. They improved a lot during the season but it was definitely a growing pain. I wish them luck next year. Love the kids but their parents here are nuts, time to move on. Interesting! Was this at a High School level? Were the kids disinterested as they continued to lose?
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Post by coachbradford on Nov 17, 2016 12:01:26 GMT -6
Yes, This was HS level. Kids never lost interest. The majority of them saw that they were making progress and it drove them even more. We started the season with 42 on varsity, by the end of the season we had 22. Injuries killed us, bad. When we were all healthy we knocked off the #8 team in the state (which I thought were over rated), after that ACLs, MCLs, concussions, broke back, broke neck, collar bones, you name it.
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Post by Coach.A on Nov 17, 2016 12:45:50 GMT -6
A fellow coach and I took over a program that has never won... thought it would be a fun experience (wow, I was so wrong). They had never actually been coached before. But, here are thing that I had trouble with defensively. 1. Run fits, kids didn't understand why they couldn't just follow the ball. 2. Understanding zones... most couldn't tell you where the flats were 3. Blitz path... 2 yards outside the nearest back. They improved a lot during the season but it was definitely a growing pain. I wish them luck next year. Love the kids but their parents here are nuts, time to move on. I was in the same situation several years ago...minus the crazy parents. Our parents were very supportive. It's near impossible to turn it around in 1 season. We didn't start having true consistent success until a full cohort of kids moved through our program (i.e. the grade 9s when we took over became the grade 12s).
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Post by coachbradford on Nov 17, 2016 13:02:48 GMT -6
I've been a part of rebuilding a program before, it was tough at times. There are just a lot of other factors that are making me regret coming here. Things that won't be fixed anytime soon, if ever.
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Post by coachhads on Nov 17, 2016 19:06:48 GMT -6
Now you say kids didnt know what the flats were, runs fits, etc. Was this harder for you because you had to take time out of your typical practice? Or was it hard from them to learn and grasp the terminology?
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Post by coachbradford on Nov 18, 2016 7:42:42 GMT -6
It was hard to take time out to teach the basics of what they should have learned at Jr High/JV level ball. It's my fault because I assumed too much about their knowledge of the game. They had never even had position specific individual period during practice (under their old HC). They just came to football an scrimmaged the whole time (team). This spring I am going to focus on going back to basic football (hand placement, first step, eyes).
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Post by coachhads on Nov 18, 2016 12:10:45 GMT -6
Yeah for sure. That's one thing I learned the hard way as well when we took over a program was automatically assuming kids knew the very raw basics of the game. Which I learned never to assume because it ultimately wastes practice time. Always teach it Day 1.
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Post by coachbradford on Nov 18, 2016 12:51:57 GMT -6
Lesson learned... but hey, I have a lot less hair to pull out now
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Post by olcoach53 on Nov 18, 2016 13:19:12 GMT -6
Finishing. And that is the hardest thing to teach too. Finishing tackles, finishing runs, finishing blocks. Just finishing...
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Post by coachhads on Nov 18, 2016 13:24:29 GMT -6
Finishing. And that is the hardest thing to teach too. Finishing tackles, finishing runs, finishing blocks. Just finishing... Exactly, very hard to teach. The kids I've seen "finish" the best are the kids who want it the most. Want that extra yard, to make the tackle, to pancake a defender, etc. It mostly comes from aggression which is tough to teach.
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Post by coachnichols on Nov 18, 2016 13:40:59 GMT -6
Parents.
Unrealistic expectations for their son's playing time, hurt feelings because of what their son comes home and says he heard someone say, in general a lack of wanting to help make changes, etc.
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Post by gibbs72 on Nov 20, 2016 11:16:21 GMT -6
Finishing. And that is the hardest thing to teach too. Finishing tackles, finishing runs, finishing blocks. Just finishing... Exactly, very hard to teach. The kids I've seen "finish" the best are the kids who want it the most. Want that extra yard, to make the tackle, to pancake a defender, etc. It mostly comes from aggression which is tough to teach. Yes. This is why I've probably spent more time on non-contact tackling drills that focus on fundamentals of tackling in different stages than anything.... 1) Tackle Wheels 2) Dragging agility bags and roll tackling them 3) Heavy rubber (cut defense) balls for roll tackling, low heavy runners 4) Landing mats for running through/ finishing blocks 5) **** any other I beg, borrow, steel from others 6) Walk through/ fit pace so they learn to "feel" the proper position for a regular, angle, roll tackle
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Post by aceback76 on Nov 20, 2016 11:27:38 GMT -6
As the season is starting to wind down, I'm curious to learn about pain points other coaches are having. It can be anything from dealing with players, to educating players, to having too few players. Coach Hads KEEP YOU "PMA" (Positive Mental Attitude)! YOUR "Mental Toughness" is needed to PREVAIL! In the words of Winston Churchill (in WW 2): "Never give in, never give in, never, never, never, never—in nothing, great or small, large or petty—never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense."
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Post by coachhads on Nov 27, 2016 11:24:05 GMT -6
Parents. Unrealistic expectations for their son's playing time, hurt feelings because of what their son comes home and says he heard someone say, in general a lack of wanting to help make changes, etc. Yeah that's tough. Coaches play the players that give them the best chance of winning the game. No coach likes to lose!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2016 13:51:56 GMT -6
One of the pain points I haven't seen mentioned is parents undermining the coaching staff.
It's hard to coach kids up when their dad tells them to do something different as soon as practice is over or the moms are making big scenes on social media to undercut what we're trying to accomplish.
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Post by coachhads on Nov 29, 2016 13:09:04 GMT -6
One of the pain points I haven't seen mentioned is parents undermining the coaching staff. It's hard to coach kids up when their dad tells them to do something different as soon as practice is over or the moms are making big scenes on social media to undercut what we're trying to accomplish. Yeah that's tough. Is that from a youth standpoint or from a high school?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2016 13:53:57 GMT -6
One of the pain points I haven't seen mentioned is parents undermining the coaching staff. It's hard to coach kids up when their dad tells them to do something different as soon as practice is over or the moms are making big scenes on social media to undercut what we're trying to accomplish. This is definitely rough. This year we had a freshman kid that is a gifted athlete but is one of the laziest kids you can imagine. His parents are divorced - dad is a good guy with a solid football knowledge but keeps his opinions to himself, mom is a professional bodybuilder and the only thing bigger than her muscles is her fat trap. Woman screams her lungs out at every game, tells her kid what to do, tells the coaches what to do, tells the officials what to do. She was always on facebook talking about how the coaches are morons, her kids should be the star, etc. In the championship game her kid caught a TD pass and she went batsh!t crazy, it was like she just won the lottery. Later in the evening I saw her, the dad and the kid in the parking lot and she says, with a big cheese-eating grin, "Coach, aren't you glad you finally listened to me? Taylor could have been scoring all season!". Normally I'd just roll my eyes and laugh but this time I turned and said, "Lemme tell you something, and I say this without any anger but to help your son. You may think we listened to you but we didn't. The fact is, it was the right time to call that play so we called it in spite of you. You acted like a lunatic in the stands all season and it actually hurt your son. Your football knowledge wouldn't fill a shot glass, you would do your son a huge favor if you would just sit there and cheer instead of making a fool of yourself by shrieking the entire game." The kid's dad (her ex) laughed and said, "A-f**king-MEN!!" She just stood there with her mouth open, in shock.
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Post by gibbs72 on Nov 29, 2016 13:59:21 GMT -6
Well played, sir, well played.
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Post by coachhads on Nov 29, 2016 16:09:26 GMT -6
Well played indeed!
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Post by coachhads on Nov 29, 2016 16:17:24 GMT -6
Have any coaches had issues with teaching kids the rules of the game, specifically "in-depth" rules? We used classroom time after and before practice but didn't know if anyone used a more efficient way?
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Post by coachcb on Nov 29, 2016 17:20:48 GMT -6
1. Struggling to get an off-season commitment to other sports and/or weight training. The kids don't understand that you need to be active during the off-season in order to be successful in-season. You can't play with the big boys unless you're paying your dues in the weight and in other sports.
2. Attention to detail from assistants and players. Yes, repping fundamentals daily is monotonous but it is absolutely necessary. We can do all kinds of scrimmaging but it doesn't amount to a pile of chit if the kids aren't fundamentally sound. I've worked with many good assistant coaches over the years but there is always that guy who just doesn't understand why the QBs and WRs can't just do pass skelly for half of the practice.
3. The parents can be a PITA but you only typically get what you allow in this scenario. It is made abundantly clear to the parents that we will not discuss playing time, positions, carries, etc..etc.. PERIOD. Also, we will not field any calls from them until their boy has talked to the staff about their issue first. Parents that try to force this issue with me don't get a warm reception. And, there's nothing I can do about parents whining at home but I will get after them if they are whining near the boys during a game or during practice. I had three sets of parents escorted out of a youth league game because they wouldn't screaming at the staff, the officials and other kids,
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Post by jbutch17 on Dec 2, 2016 8:50:27 GMT -6
I get that parents are an ever-present disaster waiting to happen, but what can you do to restrict their behavior? I know the pre-emptive things that everyone uses but I just go on about my business irregardless of what they do. Many coaches here do the same. Also, if playing time, touches/carries, or positions can't be discussed what can?
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Post by pvogel on Dec 2, 2016 9:10:33 GMT -6
Lower back. Damn Sciatica actin up real bad.
For us it was consistency. We were real young and we don't have the biggest roster. So lots of inconsistent play was my frustration. From practice to practice, game to game. Too much of a roller coaster.
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Post by coachmonkey on Dec 2, 2016 9:45:59 GMT -6
It was hard to take time out to teach the basics of what they should have learned at Jr High/JV level ball. It's my fault because I assumed too much about their knowledge of the game. They had never even had position specific individual period during practice (under their old HC). They just came to football an scrimmaged the whole time (team). This spring I am going to focus on going back to basic football (hand placement, first step, eyes). I had a 2 year starter at DE this year, All-Conference player. I asked him one day to play DE on the right side instead of the left. So he did, after the first play his question (he as dead serious) was, "Coach, on the left side I have C-Gap, is it still called the same thing on the right or do I do something different?" Now, it's not that we hadn't gone over the gap lettering before, and our entire defensive structure, we do that every year. It floored me, but at the same time I thought it was hilarious because you just never can under estimate what they know! He had been playing since youth football btw.
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Post by coachmonkey on Dec 2, 2016 9:47:39 GMT -6
Have any coaches had issues with teaching kids the rules of the game, specifically "in-depth" rules? We used classroom time after and before practice but didn't know if anyone used a more efficient way? We work them into practice. I think kids learn it better on the fly than in a classroom where most are probably not paying attention what I am saying anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 11:06:46 GMT -6
I get that parents are an ever-present disaster waiting to happen, but what can you do to restrict their behavior? I know the pre-emptive things that everyone uses but I just go on about my business irregardless of what they do. Many coaches here do the same. Also, if playing time, touches/carries, or positions can't be discussed what can? You can discuss what a kid needs to do to get better, what your expectations for him are, or specific things he did in a game. Stuff like that. You can also discuss fundraisers and parent involvement stuff like team meals and things. There's plenty to talk about that doesn't directly involve playing time, strategy, or depth charts. The good parents are the ones who have faith in you as a coach and want to support what you're doing so their boy has a good experience, gets better, and earns playing time and success the right way. There's not nearly enough of those, but it's a pleasure to work with parents like that. Of course, they all try to present themselves that way, but few actually do it.
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Post by jbutch17 on Dec 2, 2016 11:10:45 GMT -6
I mean "What can I do to get on the field more?" isn't allowed. I wouldn't know what to say to my coaches.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 11:14:39 GMT -6
I mean "What can I do to get on the field more?" isn't allowed. I wouldn't know what to say to my coaches. That's a pretty hard core stance. We let them ask and usually tell them to lift and specific things to improve. You could phrase that question differently: "What do I need to focus on to get better?" I don't know of any coach alive who would respond negatively to that question. You could even get more specific with that: "What are my weaknesses as a player that I need to work on?" "What am I doing well?" Every player's goal should be to get so good that the coaches want to play him, but everybody has his weak points to shore up and his strengths to build on.
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