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Post by caleb59seal on Nov 13, 2016 23:29:32 GMT -6
I heard about this in a book and have come to find out it's legit stuff... Discovered by Jonathan N. Does anyone know how the #5 FEIR braintype translates to coaching or anything about the braintyping and anymore accurate tests that are available or even what I am talking about???
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Post by morris on Nov 14, 2016 6:03:59 GMT -6
This is the same guy that through brain typing described why Manning would be better than Leaf? There are a number of pro teams that use it along with so companies. I think technically you can pay for the service but it's expensive.
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Post by mrjvi on Nov 14, 2016 6:56:15 GMT -6
I learned alot about it before Neidnagel changed the letters. I do have all of his books. I use it all the time especially as a way to connect to kids who I have trouble understanding their point of view. I am an INTP. Humanmetrics.com and personalitypage.com have useful information. I try to brain type each kid (and my coaches and family) Helps me alot. One area it helps alot is where to put certain kids in certain positions. Some types are slower reactors and tend to be better on O rather than D where you know where you are already going or further from the LOS so they have more time to react. . Good D's are usually made up of quick reaction kids (certain types)
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Post by utchuckd on Nov 14, 2016 7:22:42 GMT -6
Is this like the Myers Briggs stuff?
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Post by silkyice on Nov 14, 2016 7:25:00 GMT -6
I learned alot about it before Neidnagel changed the letters. I do have all of his books. I use it all the time especially as a way to connect to kids who I have trouble understanding their point of view. I am an INTP. Humanmetrics.com and personalitypage.com have useful information. I try to brain type each kid (and my coaches and family) Helps me alot. One area it helps alot is where to put certain kids in certain positions. Some types are slower reactors and tend to be better on O rather than D where you know where you are already going or further from the LOS so they have more time to react. . Good D's are usually made up of quick reaction kids (certain types) Would love to see some more detail and ideas!
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Post by mrjvi on Nov 14, 2016 9:05:34 GMT -6
To the OP, FEIR translates to ESTP for me. The best QB's in history were/are this brain type. In a very brief nut shell, E-they derive their energy from the people around them. I, the opposite, derive their energy from within. S, they live more in the moment, are aware of all their senses of the environment around them. N, the opposite, tends to dwell a bit more on the future and future expectations. T, tends to see things more as right and wrong, black and white, etc. LOGIC. F's the opposite, tend to use feelings as more of a basis of how they look at things. P, is more spontaneous, not as ordered in their life unless it has to be, also play is OK before work. The opposite, J is very ordered in their life. Work needs to earn play. All possible combinations produce differences. This is VERY simplified. 16 possible brain types-genetic. Interesting stuff. NT's are science people.
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Post by breakerdog on Nov 14, 2016 10:55:01 GMT -6
A quick youtube search
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Post by silkyice on Nov 14, 2016 12:39:58 GMT -6
To the OP, FEIR translates to ESTP for me. The best QB's in history were/are this brain type. In a very brief nut shell, E-they derive their energy from the people around them. I, the opposite, derive their energy from within. S, they live more in the moment, are aware of all their senses of the environment around them. N, the opposite, tends to dwell a bit more on the future and future expectations. T, tends to see things more as right and wrong, black and white, etc. LOGIC. F's the opposite, tend to use feelings as more of a basis of how they look at things. P, is more spontaneous, not as ordered in their life unless it has to be, also play is OK before work. The opposite, J is very ordered in their life. Work needs to earn play. All possible combinations produce differences. This is VERY simplified. 16 possible brain types-genetic. Interesting stuff. NT's are science people. Do you have a list of all 16 and what positions they are best for?
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Post by mrjvi on Nov 14, 2016 15:05:55 GMT -6
There is some overlap but mostly generalizations of groups. Sometimes some will be good in HS but have some problems at higher levels and of course some "defy the odds". Carson Palmer is an example of a Pro QB that is almost opposite the best types but he is huge and has been taught well as a kid and has had coaches with brain types that work well with his. I get much better at brain typing off season when I have more time. I'll try to put together what types have been best at positions on my teams. There is actually a brain type that is a natural at doing brain typing. Neidnagels which is ISTJ. Interesting that some QB's now that are pretty good are different than the ESTP's who are the best. They are ESFP's who have more aptitude dodging and running than ESTP's. The newer offenses tend to favor this. In my opinion, some of the great college ESFP QB's are being forced to stay in the pocket at the pro's and it goes somewhat against their natural abilities. I'll add more later if people are interested.
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Post by caleb59seal on Nov 14, 2016 16:08:31 GMT -6
There is some overlap but mostly generalizations of groups. Sometimes some will be good in HS but have some problems at higher levels and of course some "defy the odds". Carson Palmer is an example of a Pro QB that is almost opposite the best types but he is huge and has been taught well as a kid and has had coaches with brain types that work well with his. I get much better at brain typing off season when I have more time. I'll try to put together what types have been best at positions on my teams. There is actually a brain type that is a natural at doing brain typing. Neidnagels which is ISTJ. Interesting that some QB's now that are pretty good are different than the ESTP's who are the best. They are ESFP's who have more aptitude dodging and running than ESTP's. The newer offenses tend to favor this. In my opinion, some of the great college ESFP QB's are being forced to stay in the pocket at the pro's and it goes somewhat against their natural abilities. I'll add more later if people are interested. I am a ESTP.... I just wanted to know how well that translates to coaching?
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Post by caleb59seal on Nov 14, 2016 16:09:23 GMT -6
To the OP, FEIR translates to ESTP for me. The best QB's in history were/are this brain type. In a very brief nut shell, E-they derive their energy from the people around them. I, the opposite, derive their energy from within. S, they live more in the moment, are aware of all their senses of the environment around them. N, the opposite, tends to dwell a bit more on the future and future expectations. T, tends to see things more as right and wrong, black and white, etc. LOGIC. F's the opposite, tend to use feelings as more of a basis of how they look at things. P, is more spontaneous, not as ordered in their life unless it has to be, also play is OK before work. The opposite, J is very ordered in their life. Work needs to earn play. All possible combinations produce differences. This is VERY simplified. 16 possible brain types-genetic. Interesting stuff. NT's are science people. Do you have a list of all 16 and what positions they are best for? Go to www.braintypes.com all of the 16 are on there
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Post by mrjvi on Nov 14, 2016 16:21:42 GMT -6
I would make sure you have an "N" on staff that can help you to keep the theoretical big picture in mind. You may tend to live in the moment which is great for game time but not always as good for longer term planning. Make sure you understand that the "F"'s on your team-"feelers" may look at issues differently than you and might need to understand when you put your foot down. Their views can sometimes seem illogical. Make sure you have a "J" on your staff for maintaining order and and helping you stay on task as P's sometimes will spontaneously get off task. Your brain type is the top QB's so you will share their great spacial awareness. I think that's good since I get too tunnel visioned and miss stuff around the whole field while concentrating on one thing. I have tried to get my coaches (various types) to contribute to our program greatly through their innate strengths. Yes I'm the head coach and I admit I can be nerdy. This can be nerdy stuff.
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Post by caleb59seal on Nov 14, 2016 20:40:42 GMT -6
I would make sure you have an "N" on staff that can help you to keep the theoretical big picture in mind. You may tend to live in the moment which is great for game time but not always as good for longer term planning. Make sure you understand that the "F"'s on your team-"feelers" may look at issues differently than you and might need to understand when you put your foot down. Their views can sometimes seem illogical. Make sure you have a "J" on your staff for maintaining order and and helping you stay on task as P's sometimes will spontaneously get off task. Your brain type is the top QB's so you will share their great spacial awareness. I think that's good since I get too tunnel visioned and miss stuff around the whole field while concentrating on one thing. I have tried to get my coaches (various types) to contribute to our program greatly through their innate strengths. Yes I'm the head coach and I admit I can be nerdy. This can be nerdy stuff. Would my braintype help with game planning or what is going to be my strength... (Play calling)? And I know Peyton was known for his prep and he is a estp so would that be true of me?
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Post by caleb59seal on Nov 14, 2016 20:43:28 GMT -6
I would make sure you have an "N" on staff that can help you to keep the theoretical big picture in mind. You may tend to live in the moment which is great for game time but not always as good for longer term planning. Make sure you understand that the "F"'s on your team-"feelers" may look at issues differently than you and might need to understand when you put your foot down. Their views can sometimes seem illogical. Make sure you have a "J" on your staff for maintaining order and and helping you stay on task as P's sometimes will spontaneously get off task. Your brain type is the top QB's so you will share their great spacial awareness. I think that's good since I get too tunnel visioned and miss stuff around the whole field while concentrating on one thing. I have tried to get my coaches (various types) to contribute to our program greatly through their innate strengths. Yes I'm the head coach and I admit I can be nerdy. This can be nerdy stuff. Also how did you find out your braintype?
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Post by mrjvi on Nov 14, 2016 21:02:45 GMT -6
Hard work on prep is probably universal for everyone but the exceptional thing about your type would be your ability to see the whole field and to react and play well (coach) under pressure. I think Peyton knew he needed his people to always be ready for his game options and ad lib strategies so he drilled them to be where he needed them to be. One of my assistants is an ISTP. He sees more on each play then I do. I clearly see what I am watching (maybe more in depth) but he sees what many players are doing on each play. That's the difference with the S and N. I read A LOT so I figured mine out. I can get most kids types in about 15 minutes or I save some time and have them take the test on humanmetrics.com. I have to go there to see if it's still free. It is pretty accurate.
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Post by brophy on Nov 15, 2016 8:43:44 GMT -6
which brain type do I need to be to fall for mumbo jumbo?
I'd type more but I have a plane to catch....
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Post by caleb59seal on Nov 15, 2016 9:37:43 GMT -6
Hard work on prep is probably universal for everyone but the exceptional thing about your type would be your ability to see the whole field and to react and play well (coach) under pressure. I think Peyton knew he needed his people to always be ready for his game options and ad lib strategies so he drilled them to be where he needed them to be. One of my assistants is an ISTP. He sees more on each play then I do. I clearly see what I am watching (maybe more in depth) but he sees what many players are doing on each play. That's the difference with the S and N. I read A LOT so I figured mine out. I can get most kids types in about 15 minutes or I save some time and have them take the test on humanmetrics.com. I have to go there to see if it's still free. It is pretty accurate. Gottcha I saw that Vince Lombardi and bill belichick wee FCIL... I just didn't know if my brain type was suited for coaching and what not?
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Post by 19holmes on Nov 15, 2016 10:58:44 GMT -6
I just went onto humanmetrics.com they do still have the test on there for free. I just did it and got INTJ. Pretty accurate especially when I looked at the learning styles section.
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Post by mrjvi on Nov 15, 2016 11:11:54 GMT -6
Pretty interesting for Mumbo Jumbo.
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Post by fantom on Nov 15, 2016 11:34:06 GMT -6
Pretty interesting for Mumbo Jumbo. Depending on what interests you.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2016 11:21:36 GMT -6
Funny thing is that I used to know a relative of Jon Niednagel and when I asked about him he said, "The guy is a freaking nut, pretty much an embarrassment to the entire family..."
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Post by breakerdog on Nov 16, 2016 12:37:47 GMT -6
MBTI is meaningless
I work for a large corporation and have been through many different personality and brain typing courses or work shops. I don't necessarily agree with the testing being worthless, as I think that anything that promotes introspection and self reflection is a good excersize. I do think that these tests give you a snap shot of either A- Your brain type at the moment or in the environment you take it in. B- Your brain type you wish you were These tests largely operate by asking you how you would react to a situation or your preferences. It's been my experience that a lot of folks don't do what they say they will do. Or they say what they want to do, but act differently in a given situation. For what it's worth, I am an INTJ. I think the description fits pretty well for me, but if I read the other descriptions, there are similarities there as well. I do beleive in diffent learning types. Learning Styles
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Post by silkyice on Nov 16, 2016 12:54:29 GMT -6
MBTI is meaningless
I work for a large corporation and have been through many different personality and brain typing courses or work shops. I don't necessarily agree with the testing being worthless, as I think that anything that promotes introspection and self reflection is a good excersize. I do think that these tests give you a snap shot of either A- Your brain type at the moment or in the environment you take it in. B- Your brain type you wish you were These tests largely operate by asking you how you would react to a situation or your preferences. It's been my experience that a lot of folks don't do what they say they will do. Or they say what they want to do, but act differently in a given situation. For what it's worth, I am an INTJ. I think the description fits pretty well for me, but if I read the other descriptions, there are similarities there as well. I do beleive in diffent learning types. Learning Styles Self awareness is very important on these test and in life.
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Post by fshamrock on Nov 16, 2016 13:00:11 GMT -6
I always thought if we were thick-skinned enough to do it we'd get a lot more out of a personality test about you done by the people around you....most of us take those dumb tests with an idea about ourselves that is the fantasy we believe in our heads. Lots of guys believe that they are inspiring leaders but according to everybody around them they are just a plain ol' a***ole
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Post by mrjvi on Nov 16, 2016 14:09:38 GMT -6
I don't deny it can be tough to be accurate. I had a coach on my staff who I just couldn't get his right and finally I asked him why he thought one thing described him. He said well, I admire that trait. So there is merit to some of the above comments. I think I have benefited from it by being able sometimes to get a better feel for how my athlete thinks especially when it is very different than my view. I seemed to connect better when I tried to see their perspective, which is always good. Anything that helps me helps how I coach.
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Post by utchuckd on Nov 16, 2016 15:37:44 GMT -6
Self awareness is very important on these test and in life. A man's got to know his limitations.
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Post by fantom on Nov 16, 2016 15:50:50 GMT -6
I don't deny it can be tough to be accurate. I had a coach on my staff who I just couldn't get his right and finally I asked him why he thought one thing described him. He said well, I admire that trait. So there is merit to some of the above comments. I think I have benefited from it by being able sometimes to get a better feel for how my athlete thinks especially when it is very different than my view. I seemed to connect better when I tried to see their perspective, which is always good. Anything that helps me helps how I coach. Do you test all of the kids and coaches?
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Post by mrjvi on Nov 16, 2016 15:53:55 GMT -6
I definitely test the coaches and try to test all the players. Usually most.
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Post by fantom on Nov 16, 2016 16:12:13 GMT -6
I definitely test the coaches and try to test all the players. Usually most. What brain type says, "I ain't taking any stinkin test"?
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Post by silkyice on Nov 16, 2016 16:52:45 GMT -6
I definitely test the coaches and try to test all the players. Usually most. What brain type says, "I ain't taking any stinkin test"? DICK 😂
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