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Post by aceback76 on Oct 31, 2016 12:27:58 GMT -6
If you’re a good coach, your players will play very close to how you teach them to play. This is one I tell our assistant coaches. Don’t come in here and say, “He made a mistake, he made a mistake!” Well, you’re a sorry coach if he keeps making mistakes all over the place. Teach him how to play and demand he does that.
AMEN!
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Post by texasstyle on Oct 31, 2016 13:22:15 GMT -6
We have a coach or two that needs to hear that!
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Post by carookie on Oct 31, 2016 14:06:32 GMT -6
I agree with the premise of this post, but keep in mind a bad head coach can trump a number of good assistants (I am not writing this is you, just felt the need to point it out). I know a guy who is a HC who will spend hours each week installing new plays on offense and giving motivational speeches, usually what gets cut out is individual time for his assistants to actually teach the players how to play football.
Come game time he runs his new plays maybe once, the players bust on execution consistently, and then he complains to his assistants why their positions aren't executing and that they need to fix it (as if a brief explanation in the middle of the game is going to fix something like that).
People are what we consistently DO; have your players consistently DO the right things in the week and they will most likely DO them in the game.
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Post by CoachSP on Nov 1, 2016 7:29:32 GMT -6
We are also dealing with high school kids. So the "He made a mistake" is sometimes accurate but should not be a crutch.
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Post by 53 on Nov 1, 2016 7:36:53 GMT -6
Everyone makes a mistake, but if they keep making it...
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Post by hunhdisciple on Nov 1, 2016 10:47:09 GMT -6
The difference between the players Spurrier had, and what a vast majority of people on this site have, are night and day different.
But, you can't blame the kids constantly, because at some point it comes back on coaching. When it comes back, depends on the kid. I've had guys who literally just didn't have any real idea of how to play their position, and I looked like an idiot. But they were the only bodies I had, and they progressed to something less sad. I've had guys who were pretty good, and their mistakes are a direct connection to something I failed to do or not do.
If you're working with high level athletes, like Spurrier, then their mistakes come back a lot on the coaches. If you've got Tommy ProbablyShouldaBeenTheWaterBoy, getting to where you limit their mistakes is a great coaching job.
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Post by bdm on Nov 2, 2016 8:35:27 GMT -6
So your telling me that my Sam LB who has been playing all year and done a decent job up until last week and now seems to be forgetting everything he has been taught, and instead of attacking the play now he waits on the play to come to him (he aint injured by the way) its my fault because I haven't coached him the right way. Meanwhile my other two LB's are having great seasons. Have a little trouble with that one.
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Post by sweep26 on Nov 2, 2016 10:30:32 GMT -6
If you’re a good coach, your players will play very close to how you teach them to play. This is one I tell our assistant coaches. Don’t come in here and say, “He made a mistake, he made a mistake!” Well, you’re a sorry coach if he keeps making mistakes all over the place. Teach him how to play and demand he does that. AMEN! Coach, I think you hit a nerve or two here.
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Post by somecoach on Nov 2, 2016 11:01:45 GMT -6
I have seen this way too many times.
Many guys "coach" by creating an echo chamber of phrases such as: "Somebody better make a play!" "Can we get some blocking HERE!" "What are you DOING!" or on the missed assignment "You are a (insert profanity here) for (insert missed assignment that might have been a coaching error)"
not only do these phrases increase your blood pressure but they produce NOTHING.
Keeping a positive attitude is the better way to go, it reflects on the kids too.
Qb makes the wrong read and throws a pick? "Calm down and hitch into this route"
Throws a jump ball interception "Hey we took a shot, we will go back to it later"
DB gets burned "Just stay deep don't bite on the short route/double move, maybe even deepen your level"
Just keep calm and actually coach up the scheme.
I have beaten way too many guys that jump down their players throats and berate their kids.
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Post by coachwilliams2 on Nov 2, 2016 11:37:27 GMT -6
If they are constantly making the same mistakes you are either:
1. Not coaching/teaching it correctly. 2. Asking that kid to do something he is not capable of doing (your fault as a coach) 3. He doesn't care enough to do it and you should replace him. (Also coaches fault).
Mistakes and Habits are different.
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Post by John Knight on Nov 2, 2016 11:47:52 GMT -6
So your telling me that my Sam LB who has been playing all year and done a decent job up until last week and now seems to be forgetting everything he has been taught, and instead of attacking the play now he waits on the play to come to him (he aint injured by the way) its my fault because I haven't coached him the right way. Meanwhile my other two LB's are having great seasons. Have a little trouble with that one. Sounds to me like Sam found a new kitty to play with or is sniffing the ganga!
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Post by John Knight on Nov 2, 2016 11:48:55 GMT -6
Yep. if he keeps making mistakes you gotta put a kid in there that doesn't make them or change how it is done.
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Post by John Knight on Nov 2, 2016 12:05:52 GMT -6
“You're either coaching it or allowing it to happen.”
― Mike Leach
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Post by spreadattack on Nov 2, 2016 12:20:27 GMT -6
Leach's version is I think a succinct summation of the idea, and the basic idea is they are either doing it how you want or you better be coaching them up. But as others said above, coaching them up is not the same thing as just ripping them or belittling a kid or screaming cliches. Sometimes it's being, uh, direct (as Saban says, an "ass chewing"), but it should always be about coaching them up.
Been reading a lot about educational/child development recently, and the amazing thing to me is how much of the psychological research and child/teenage development studies that have begun revolutionizing the field in recent years really reflect what we would all recognize as just old fashioned good coaching, in that it really focuses on process versus outcomes and praising kids for the work, effort, dedication and attention to detail versus "make a play" or "good play" or "hit somebody!"
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Post by jg78 on Nov 2, 2016 16:58:33 GMT -6
Coaching isn't all there is to it. I think we could all have a more disciplined team coaching a bunch of kids like Tim Tebow and Peyton Manning vs. Chad Ochocinco and Terrell Owens.
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Post by aceback76 on Nov 2, 2016 17:22:11 GMT -6
Coaching isn't all there is to it. I think we could all have a more disciplined team coaching a bunch of kids like Tim Tebow and Peyton Manning vs. Chad Ochocinco and Terrell Owens. You shouldn't recruit players that are cancerous to the TEAM!
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Post by blb on Nov 2, 2016 17:34:00 GMT -6
Coaching isn't all there is to it. I think we could all have a more disciplined team coaching a bunch of kids like Tim Tebow and Peyton Manning vs. Chad Ochocinco and Terrell Owens. You shouldn't recruit players that are cancerous to the TEAM!
I don't know where you coach, ace, but where I did we were not allowed to recruit kids from other high schools, regardless of their physical or personal characteristics.
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Post by jg78 on Nov 2, 2016 18:23:31 GMT -6
Coaching isn't all there is to it. I think we could all have a more disciplined team coaching a bunch of kids like Tim Tebow and Peyton Manning vs. Chad Ochocinco and Terrell Owens. You shouldn't recruit players that are cancerous to the TEAM! True. And I guess that's one difference between college big-time college ball and high school ball. The college guys can recruit their players and we have who we have. Hand picking your guys is a little different from coaching whatever walks through the door. It also helps to have competition at every position, which big time colleges have. If my starting MLB is talented (but poor on character and discipline) and his back up can't walk and chew gum at the same time, it's going to be hard for anyone to coach that position.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 2, 2016 18:35:14 GMT -6
Awww I thought we were going to knock Tennessee with the classic "You can't spell Citrus without U-T" -- To comment on the original post, I think the best interpretation is what coachwilliams2 stated.
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Post by aceback76 on Nov 2, 2016 18:43:57 GMT -6
You shouldn't recruit players that are cancerous to the TEAM!
I don't know where you coach, ace, but where I did we were not allowed to recruit kids from other high schools, regardless of their physical or personal characteristics.
Coached in HS AND College. Recruiting = COLLEGE level (of course)!
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Post by Stangs13065 on Nov 2, 2016 18:58:22 GMT -6
Awww I thought we were going to knock Tennessee with the classic "You can't spell Citrus without U-T" -- To comment on the original post, I think the best interpretation is what coachwilliams2 stated. My personal favorite is "The real shame is that 15 of the books haven't been colored yet"
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Post by 53 on Nov 2, 2016 21:03:22 GMT -6
Awww I thought we were going to knock Tennessee with the classic "You can't spell Citrus without U-T" -- To comment on the original post, I think the best interpretation is what coachwilliams2 stated. I'm a Tennesse fan and I miss him. I think his personality was great for the game when so many coaches now are just film watching drones talking in cliches.
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Post by 50slantstrong on Nov 9, 2016 9:35:04 GMT -6
A few assistants I've worked with need to read that.
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Post by coachfloyd on Nov 9, 2016 9:44:24 GMT -6
I wonder if Steve Spurrier ever had to take a Junior who never played before from the Robotics team and in a year make him a starter on the oline.
Or taken the Drummer from the band and made him region defensive player of the year?
The UA and Army All americans I got to coach were really easy on a day to day basis. Figuring out a way with a 175lb tackle isn't.
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Post by aceback76 on Nov 9, 2016 10:29:42 GMT -6
I wonder if Steve Spurrier ever had to take a Junior who never played before from the Robotics team and in a year make him a starter on the oline. Or taken the Drummer from the band and made him region defensive player of the year? The UA and Army All americans I got to coach were really easy on a day to day basis. Figuring out a way with a 175lb tackle isn't. We all look for the best "situations" in which to coach, and you do the best you can wherever. None of us is ever FORCED to coach anywhere. In Spurrier's case = ALL SEC positions are good, and that is the environment in which he thrived! In my 6 Head Coaching jobs on the large High School level - there were some where you weren't doing a good job if you didn't win 90% of your games. OTHERS, you had to fight your a** off to win 50-60%.
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Post by coachfloyd on Nov 9, 2016 11:33:04 GMT -6
I wonder if Steve Spurrier ever had to take a Junior who never played before from the Robotics team and in a year make him a starter on the oline. Or taken the Drummer from the band and made him region defensive player of the year? The UA and Army All americans I got to coach were really easy on a day to day basis. Figuring out a way with a 175lb tackle isn't. We all look for the best "situations" in which to coach, and you do the best you can wherever. None of us is ever FORCED to coach anywhere. In Spurrier's case = ALL SEC positions are good, and that is the environment in which he thrived! In my 6 Head Coaching jobs on the large High School level - there were some where you weren't doing a good job if you didn't win 90% of your games. OTHERS, you had to fight your a** off to win 50-60%. One of the best coaching jobs I have done was a year we went 3-7. I played with a 180lb LT(quit the year before and played SS the year before that), 205lb LG (couldn't do one tire flip his sophmore year), Center was pretty good, RG 195lb (started one game at SS the previous year, RT 235lbs and missed half the season with an ACL tear. The fact that we beat anybody was something to be proud of.
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Post by aceback76 on Nov 9, 2016 13:43:17 GMT -6
We all look for the best "situations" in which to coach, and you do the best you can wherever. None of us is ever FORCED to coach anywhere. In Spurrier's case = ALL SEC positions are good, and that is the environment in which he thrived! In my 6 Head Coaching jobs on the large High School level - there were some where you weren't doing a good job if you didn't win 90% of your games. OTHERS, you had to fight your a** off to win 50-60%. One of the best coaching jobs I have done was a year we went 3-7. I played with a 180lb LT(quit the year before and played SS the year before that), 205lb LG (couldn't do one tire flip his sophmore year), Center was pretty good, RG 195lb (started one game at SS the previous year, RT 235lbs and missed half the season with an ACL tear. The fact that we beat anybody was something to be proud of. I know what you mean!
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Post by 3rdandlong on Nov 9, 2016 13:54:58 GMT -6
We all look for the best "situations" in which to coach, and you do the best you can wherever. None of us is ever FORCED to coach anywhere. In Spurrier's case = ALL SEC positions are good, and that is the environment in which he thrived! In my 6 Head Coaching jobs on the large High School level - there were some where you weren't doing a good job if you didn't win 90% of your games. OTHERS, you had to fight your a** off to win 50-60%. One of the best coaching jobs I have done was a year we went 3-7. I played with a 180lb LT(quit the year before and played SS the year before that), 205lb LG (couldn't do one tire flip his sophmore year), Center was pretty good, RG 195lb (started one game at SS the previous year, RT 235lbs and missed half the season with an ACL tear. The fact that we beat anybody was something to be proud of. Fully understand what you mean. On the flip side one of the worst teams I ever had the displeasure of being around went 8-2 in the regular season and flopped to a lesser team in the playoffs. I did a poor job of finding a way to get them to over-achieve. They thought their talent was enough.
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Post by jg78 on Nov 12, 2016 7:12:12 GMT -6
There's another Spurrier quote I like that references back to his days at Duke. I am paraphrasing. "Every coach would benefit from a few years of coaching lesser talent. If you can figure out how to win a little w/o great players, you should be able to win a lot when you do have great talent."
I will say this: I think it does benefit a coach to play competitive games on a regular basis. It requires you to be more thorough in your game planning and come up with new ideas. When you know you are going to win by 4+ TD's every week it does not force you to improve and search for better ways to do things.
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Post by breakerdog on Nov 12, 2016 8:33:26 GMT -6
My favorite motivational talks from the HBC.
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