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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2016 10:11:43 GMT -6
I'm the head coach of a JV football team for a small private school. We are in a league that has other private schools. In the past we've always played JV & Varsity games on the same day = JV at 4:30, varsity at 7:30. This year we've had some other schools say, "We need to play the games on different days because we don't have enough kids." Then they drop down varsity players to help ensure a win.
This week we had a team tell us they couldn't play both games on Friday because they were short kids. Our AD told them, "It's okay, we'll move the JV game to Wednesday." They of course dropped down several varsity players and we lost a nail biter. The bigger issue is that we had a couple freshmen kids get whacked by big juniors and now I've lost a couple kids to injuries. The head of our football program will not drop down players and, frankly, I don't want him to.
What are your thoughts on dropping varsity guys to JV for games on different days? I feel like it cheats the JV kids. I also think it does away with even having a JV program.
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Post by rsmith627 on Oct 6, 2016 10:42:13 GMT -6
We don't drop kids down because in Michigan kids can only participate in one game per week.
When I was in Utah there was no quarter limitation so kids could play in multiple games. We used JV as developmental football so we would drop varsity guys down that weren't starters just to get them meaningful reps. With that said, kids that we pulled down for those reps were usually sophomores.
If a junior was playing JV then he likely wasn't starting on JV either. These were the types of kids that you can't put on a field because they're so bad they're going to get hurt, or get somebody else hurt.
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Post by tanavea on Oct 6, 2016 10:46:09 GMT -6
I am also a Head JV Coach for a small private school. Our team is so small that our Varsity backups are our JV team. If our 2's for Varsity didn't play JV we wouldn't have enough to field a team. That said, we rarely ever let a Varsity Starter play JV. The only two exceptions this year being, our starting Varsity Strong Safety is a sophmore and is also our backup JV RB and JV Punter. Without him we don't have a Punter or any backup RB's for JV. We never play him on defense. Also our Jr NT who doesn't start Varsity but rotates a lot is our JV OG. We don't have any backups at O-Line, except making our moving our TE to T and moving a WR to TE. We had to do this early this year and I had to run away from those guys. I still consider our Varsity 2's as JV guys because they are for us, but I will never play a Varsity Starter at his position in JV.
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Post by lochness on Oct 6, 2016 12:03:50 GMT -6
I doubt teams are dropping down Varsity players to ensure a win on JV. It could be for any number of different reasons, but I HIGHLY doubt that's one of them.
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Post by CoachSP on Oct 6, 2016 12:19:13 GMT -6
Our situation is a a bit different than yours. I work at a 4A public school in Louisiana. We play JV on Wednesday. We play mostly sophomores, but we also play juniors who may do spot-work for us on Fridays (10ish reps or Special Teams) but do not start varsity.
I know we don't do it to ensure wins. We want those kids to get game reps so that they can be full time starters in the future. Granted, it makes us more competitive in JV, but if we can develop kids and win, then why not?
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Post by carookie on Oct 6, 2016 12:39:04 GMT -6
Ive been at a school in a similar situation. We were a small private school of about 200 total 9-12, our entire football program had about 35-38 depending on the year; so our varsity backups was our JV team. We played JV games usually on Thursday, but sometime Saturday and our JV team consisted of anywhere between 14-18 players.
The only time we would pull players down who were not regularly on the JV team was to ensure that we had numbers to actually compete, although there were times when we simply had to forfeit (we would never go into a game without at least 14). Usually the player we brought down was an extra lineman and we would severely limit his snaps.
If a junior is not getting significant reps on varsity then I have no problem with dropping him down to JV regardless of the size of schools, and if he ends up dominating JV so be it. But I cannot imagine a situation where a team brings down a varsity starter simply to win a JV game; if they are doing that I wouldnt worry about it, because I doubt they will be coaching long.
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Post by dytmook on Oct 6, 2016 13:30:21 GMT -6
Anyone who doesn't get significant varsity reps is eligible for JV. Last week we had a guy who played varsity all year, but due to matches etc didn't play on Friday. He played on Saturday. We have done this with other juniors. That's how we drop guys down, to get reps, not to win games.
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Post by spos21ram on Oct 6, 2016 13:40:27 GMT -6
Our JV are all the players that don't see much varsity time, if any. We have a seperate freshmen team, so our JV is mostly sophmores and juniors, sometimes we have a couple seniors that don't play any varsity and play at the level of a JV player.
I would not like JV and Varsity on the same day. I could write for another 10 minutes on why it's foolish.
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Post by carookie on Oct 6, 2016 13:59:51 GMT -6
Our JV are all the players that don't see much varsity time, if any. We have a seperate freshmen team, so our JV is mostly sophmores and juniors, sometimes we have a couple seniors that don't play any varsity and play at the level of a JV player. I would not like JV and Varsity on the same day. I could write for another 10 minutes on why it's foolish. If you don't mind me asking, what state are you in? I didnt know that Srs. could play JV in some places |
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Post by spos21ram on Oct 6, 2016 14:09:50 GMT -6
Rhode Island. We have a 4 quarter a week rule which is impossible to police, but there's no JV breaking this rule to dominate.
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Post by carookie on Oct 6, 2016 14:54:44 GMT -6
Rhode Island. We have a 4 quarter a week rule which is impossible to police, but there's no JV breaking this rule to dominate. Thats interesting, Ive coached in states which impose qtr rules to prevent JV guys from double dipping in varsity games, but they also disallowed seniors from playing JV |
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Post by macdiiddy on Oct 10, 2016 12:25:27 GMT -6
We have a 5 quarter rule. So backups on Varsity or sometimes rotaters need to play 2 quarters on Saturday. We will also pull freshman up and give them a quarter in the JV game to go along with their game on thursday.
Yes, winning is fun, but JV isnt about how many wins the team had, its about getting players ready for varsity play in the future.
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