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Post by amlxa215 on Sept 21, 2016 20:52:05 GMT -6
I am a junior high head coach in Indiana. We are having some trouble with our conference's tiebreaker system. I won't tell you which team is mine to get some truthful answers with unbiased beforehand knowledge. This conference is very young, and the bylaws are about a year old.
DIVISION STANDINGS (Overall, Division) Team A: 6-1, 2-1 Team B: 6-2, 2-1 Team C: 2-5, 2-1 Team D: 4-3, 0-3
Team D is mathematically out, so I will omit them from here on out.
TEAM A 6-1 overall, 2-1 division - Beat Team B 12-6 - Lost to Team C 30-16 - Beat Team D 40-0 - 4 common non-division opponents w/ Team B (4-0) - Non-division opponents win % - 33%
TEAM B 6-2 overall, 2-1 division - Lost to Team A 12-6 - Beat Team C 24-12 - Beat Team D 42-21 - 4 common non-division opponents w/ Team A (3-1) - Non-division opponents win % - 33%
TEAM C 2-5 overall, 2-1 division - Beat Team A 30-16 - Lost to Team B 24-12 - Beat Team D 36-20 - 0 common non-division opponents - Non-division opponents win % - 88%
Here are our tiebreakers: 1) Head to head 2) Division Record 3) Record vs. Common Non-Division Opponents 4) Best cumulative win % of opponents 5) Coin Flip (this is all it says, no procedural clarifications)
Tell me...based on what you see, which two teams DO make the championship? Which two teams SHOULD make the championship?
Also...do you think this tiebreaker system is flawed for junior high football? If so what would you change? I will tell my opinion after some responses.
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Post by carookie on Sept 21, 2016 21:46:21 GMT -6
Since there is no articulated rules for three way ties (which honestly there should have been) I think the rules dictate Team C as the winner. This happens if you break it down in one of two ways:
1) Steps 1 & 2 are moot, so we move on to step 3. This only applies to teams A & B, and eliminates B. Leaving A vs C; in which C wins head to head and opponent win %.
I doubt theyd be as convoluted as above, but decided to mention it because you never know. In all honesty it should come down to the following scenario
2) Steps 1, and 2 are moot, and step 3 is nullified because not all teams involved share common opponents so it goes to step 4. Team C has the best non conference opponent win %, and that is only bolstered by having a worse overall record (hurting the opponent win % for the other two). So team C wins again.
I cannot see a way that team C does not win (assuming you follow the rules). Now, since you wrote they need to play someone in the championship that leaves teams A & B; A won H2H and had a better record against common non division foes.
C finishes as the overall #1, followed by A
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Post by coachwoodall on Sept 22, 2016 5:44:30 GMT -6
We have 5 team region and all 5 teams are pretty decent. It's not unrealistic that we all could end up 2-2 in region play. I think somewhere in our tie breaking rules a Ouija Board comes into play.....
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Post by macdiiddy on Sept 22, 2016 12:10:44 GMT -6
What carookie said. The first 3 criteria are moot and it starts with step 4. Team C is the winner. The I would assume you should start the criteria over again to find out second place which leaves team A in second because of the Head to Head win.
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