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Post by fantom on Aug 24, 2016 11:08:06 GMT -6
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Post by dytmook on Aug 24, 2016 11:27:10 GMT -6
What skill is that actually developing other than 'toughness'?
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Post by 33coach on Aug 24, 2016 11:31:43 GMT -6
i havnt seen anyone do that in real life, ever, i know ive never run it - even when i was a player (started playing in 98..yea im young, but still.)
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Post by agap on Aug 24, 2016 11:40:51 GMT -6
I've never seen it done in all the years I've played and coached. Some guys were just telling me about doing that drill in the '70's though.
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Post by fantom on Aug 24, 2016 11:41:34 GMT -6
We used to do this when I was a player as a "bump 'em up" pregame warmup drill but it was with a much smaller group (our LB position group) and a much smaller circle (maybe 5 yards across). Doing it with a full team doesn't make any sense.
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Post by michwags19 on Aug 24, 2016 12:21:14 GMT -6
we did it when i was in middle school. the real B(*&$ of it was when the coach had someone come from behind you and you didn't see it coming. Our coach let that kid tee off on you from behind - "gotta have your head on a swivel son!" Sure, coach. got it.
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Post by carookie on Aug 24, 2016 12:29:44 GMT -6
This post here is why I enjoy this site; the coaches here are for the most part 'craftsmen'.
There is something that has always been done, and generally accepted to make players better (or at least tougher, which is what wins games in the eyes of the unknowing). But instead of just accepting what has always been done, we looks to find the BEST way of doing things; define an end goal and then pursue the steps that best lead to it.
For someone who has to deal a lot with the, 'because thats the way its always been done' mentality thanks for reaffirming my confidence in the profession.
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Post by jrk5150 on Aug 24, 2016 12:36:33 GMT -6
Funny timing, just yesterday I Googled "Bull in the Ring" because I've heard of it but had never seen it done.
Never run it, never done it (played HS in mid-80's), have never personally heard of anyone running it.
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Post by coachbdud on Aug 24, 2016 13:03:04 GMT -6
i actually believe it is illegal in CA now
at least i have been told that by many over my 11 years coaching
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Post by brophy on Aug 24, 2016 13:07:23 GMT -6
bull in a ring has been illegal for as long as I've been coaching.....but hey, its youth ball - let's get kids injured, amirite!?
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Post by carookie on Aug 24, 2016 13:33:24 GMT -6
i actually believe it is illegal in CA now at least i have been told that by many over my 11 years coaching As far as I know, yeah its illegal here. Same as the one where everyone lies on their backs, then on the whistle they get up and try to tackle a ball carrier; that was the worst.
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Post by 33coach on Aug 24, 2016 14:31:17 GMT -6
bull in a ring has been illegal for as long as I've been coaching.....but hey, its youth ball - let's get kids injured, amirite!? i honestly wish youth programs would have to register with their local associations as well.... but the associations wouldnt want to deal with it. i think you would get a more quality program if teams were forced to adhere to the same rules as NFHS + local associations.
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Post by hsrose on Aug 24, 2016 14:41:19 GMT -6
When my son played youth (8-12, with some lighter 13's on the team) they had a drill where they would line the kids up in 2 lines. 35 kids or so, 15-17 kids in each line, facing each other, yard or two apart. They would take two kids and put them in the middle, back to back. They'd blow the whistle and the kids would run out the line, around the line, and back into the line so they would collide in the middle. There was no offense/defense, it was just plow into the other player. They would yell at the other players for not yelling to get the players excited.
This was the same group that had put in 4 different offenses (wing-t, wishbone, spread fly, I) the first 6 weeks of the season and had the kids running Raindeers (run, hear the whistle, flop down, get up, run, repeat) for over 40 minutes after game 6 because the kids couldn't get off on the 2nd sound. Parents were going on the field and removing their kids.
They did Bull in the Ring until the league pres. came by, freaked, and told them not to do that anymore.
That was the last stop for that staff, the HC went on to coach as OC at a college in Michigan.
That was my introduction to youth football.
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Post by 33coach on Aug 24, 2016 14:54:32 GMT -6
When my son played youth (8-12, with some lighter 13's on the team) they had a drill where they would line the kids up in 2 lines. 35 kids or so, 15-17 kids in each line, facing each other, yard or two apart. They would take two kids and put them in the middle, back to back. They'd blow the whistle and the kids would run out the line, around the line, and back into the line so they would collide in the middle. There was no offense/defense, it was just plow into the other player. They would yell at the other players for not yelling to get the players excited. This was the same group that had put in 4 different offenses (wing-t, wishbone, spread fly, I) the first 6 weeks of the season and had the kids running Raindeers (run, hear the whistle, flop down, get up, run, repeat) for over 40 minutes after game 6 because the kids couldn't get off on the 2nd sound. Parents were going on the field and removing their kids. They did Bull in the Ring until the league pres. came by, freaked, and told them not to do that anymore. That was the last stop for that staff, the HC went on to coach as OC at a college in Michigan. That was my introduction to youth football. woh....thats bad. if i saw a coach do "bull in the ring" or whatever yall want to call it. id be taking pictures and id ruin his life. - papers would eat that stuff up now a days. no business being around kids if your goal is to intentionally hurt them.
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Post by freezeoption on Aug 24, 2016 16:09:46 GMT -6
the last time I saw bull in the ring was 96, we probably only did it once a year, I think at the beginning of the season, now in the 80s when I played we probably did it a couple times a week
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Post by chi5hi on Aug 24, 2016 17:02:12 GMT -6
When my son played youth (8-12, with some lighter 13's on the team) they had a drill where they would line the kids up in 2 lines. 35 kids or so, 15-17 kids in each line, facing each other, yard or two apart. They would take two kids and put them in the middle, back to back. They'd blow the whistle and the kids would run out the line, around the line, and back into the line so they would collide in the middle. There was no offense/defense, it was just plow into the other player. They would yell at the other players for not yelling to get the players excited. This was the same group that had put in 4 different offenses (wing-t, wishbone, spread fly, I) the first 6 weeks of the season and had the kids running Raindeers (run, hear the whistle, flop down, get up, run, repeat) for over 40 minutes after game 6 because the kids couldn't get off on the 2nd sound. Parents were going on the field and removing their kids. They did Bull in the Ring until the league pres. came by, freaked, and told them not to do that anymore. That was the last stop for that staff, the HC went on to coach as OC at a college in Michigan. That was my introduction to youth football. Yeah...back in the early '60's that first drill was called Blood on the Moon. Sometimes coach lined up the two lines in the shape of the letter "L" and the hit took place at the 90 degree turn. The drill took opposite ends of the opposite line players...run around the outside of your lane, then collide inside of the two lines. I never saw a reason for it. One guy went out for the season with a broken leg doing that drill. However...we were pretty tough!
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Post by wiscoach on Aug 24, 2016 18:07:38 GMT -6
I graduated hs in 2009 and we did bull in the ring a lot that year. Multiple times a week. We switched to the DW that year and won our first conference championship in 30 something years.
I loved bull in the ring too. All of That head contact had to be bad though. I would lead with my head on everything. Specifically thought at the time " I need a neck roll so I can lead with my head better"
Never tried to block an extra point in my career, instead I'd line up outside and then earhole an inferior blocker with the crown on my helmet.
Now we coach Hawk tackling and don't tackle in practice.
Crazy how fast things change.
Crazy how different you look at things as an adult too.
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Post by CS on Aug 24, 2016 18:19:04 GMT -6
I graduated hs in 2009 and we did bull in the ring a lot that year. Multiple times a week. We switched to the DW that year and won our first conference championship in 30 something years. I loved bull in the ring too. All of That head contact had to be bad though. I would lead with my head on everything. Specifically thought at the time " I need a neck roll so I can lead with my head better" Never tried to block an extra point in my career, instead I'd line up outside and then earhole an inferior blocker with the crown on my helmet. Now we coach Hawk tackling and don't tackle in practice. Crazy how fast things change. Crazy how different you look at things as an adult too. It's crazy you graduated in 2009 and this was accepted by your coaches AND that you graduated in 2009 and call yourself an adult!! I kid😎 (Not about the head stuff though)
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Post by tabs52 on Aug 24, 2016 19:00:22 GMT -6
Last time I ran this was my senior year in high school which was 96, but our coaches would make us wait till the guy in the middle turned and faced you. Drill went out till the HC would turn around every time we would hit because we would beat the crap out of each other. Honestly, the drill served zero purpose in getting us ready anything except to build toughness
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Post by wamp19 on Aug 24, 2016 20:11:24 GMT -6
When I was a 6th grader in 2004 we ran this drill.
We had a first year head coach and we only did it one time. I think someone within our youth organization had told him not to do it again.
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Post by jasper912 on Aug 24, 2016 21:09:02 GMT -6
We did this when I was in pee wee, back in the early 90s. I hated that drill then, and would never do it as a coach. It doesn't teach anything football related.
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Post by coach31 on Aug 24, 2016 21:15:59 GMT -6
True story. My first year of tackle football weSTARTED practice with that drill. I was a 9 year old 3rd grader. The best kid on the team was an 11 year old 5th grader. He went on to play at Ohio State. He was huge and had red baseball cleats (metals). I still have flashbacks
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Post by mikeyg on Aug 25, 2016 3:12:25 GMT -6
I'm a young pup and graduated in 2008 but we did this drill weekly at my high school. We were a Wing T team and used this drill to "learn" how to block a defender while pulling or running down field. We bought into the idea and loved the drill. That was just a normal Tuesday for us. The worst thing I remember us doing was punish one of the running backs. The day before he wouldn't take practice seriously and caused us to have to run extra and even then he wouldn't run during sprints so we ran extra snakes and laps. One of the coaches added it all up at the end of the day and we ran a grand total of 6 miles in full pads and 3 miles in pants and helmets. This was all because 1 guy didn't want to run and take practice serious. The next day the HC told us that even if we were in the middle of a drill or play if he whistled 3 times and called out our name we were to go head hunting. If was bad. But ole Patrick learned to take practice serious after that day. He was so sore we literally had to carray him back to the field house because he couldn't walk.
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Post by pvogel on Aug 25, 2016 5:53:14 GMT -6
We did on my pop warner team in 6th grade. I was fat, unathletic and undeveloped. We did it and you never know where the player was coming from. Had to sit out a week for hurting my lower back in it. I stopped playing football until high school. I was much better in high school. Haha.
Ya I don't get it. Call me soft, but id much rather be working fundamentals or mesh drills or something like that. If you can't instill a level of physicality during your indy drills then thats your own fault.
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Post by blb on Aug 25, 2016 6:15:02 GMT -6
I have never seen "Bull in the Ring" done as in the video.
Like fantom we used a small circle, 5-6 players no more than three yards-two steps from the player in middle.
Player in middle (Defender) would point at one on circle who would give him one good hard block like a FB leading on Iso or Power and "Bull" would take on block with shoulder pad-forearm or hand shiver.
Purpose of drill was Block Protection. Each player would get 3-4 hits in short time.
Very little chance of injury as structured.
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Post by newt21 on Aug 25, 2016 6:32:59 GMT -6
When I played youth ball in the early 90's our coaches did it as a punishment, if you acted like a fool you had to do "bull in the ring". We had a couple kids that actually asked to do it on their birthday as their present...they were the toughest kids on the team but crazy for sure!
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Post by jasper912 on Aug 25, 2016 7:00:15 GMT -6
We did on my pop warner team in 6th grade. I was fat, unathletic and undeveloped. We did it and you never know where the player was coming from. Had to sit out a week for hurting my lower back in it. I stopped playing football until high school. I was much better in high school. Haha. Ya I don't get it. Call me soft, but id much rather be working fundamentals or mesh drills or something like that. If you can't instill a level of physicality during your indy drills then thats your own fault. You are not soft. I was blessed with lots of athletic ability, and was the best player on my team growing up, ended up being a 1st Team All American in college.....I HATED THIS DRILL! Dumbest thing I have ever done.
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Post by **** on Aug 25, 2016 9:09:08 GMT -6
we did it when i was in middle school. the real B(*&$ of it was when the coach had someone come from behind you and you didn't see it coming. Our coach let that kid tee off on you from behind - "gotta have your head on a swivel son!" Sure, coach. got it. Lol, god I miss this drill. Serves no purpose what so ever besides the fact that you got to just phuk people up. Good times, great oldies. In a way I do something a little similar with my ILB's when teaching them how to take on iso, but they know who the FB is and we go on cadence. We don't exactly try to kill each other in the drill either.
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Post by ccoomes16 on Aug 25, 2016 11:15:35 GMT -6
I did this in middle school, early 2000s. Whole team drill - about 30 players or so around the circle. I saw one kid get seriously hurt when I was in 8th grade. He was a smaller kid (not the smallest on the team) and wasn't that talented. Pretty sure it was his first year playing.
Anyway, he got hit pretty hard one time and fell down. He took a bit to stand up because he was shook up...the coach didn't wait for him. He called another player's number and he came barrelling down the pipe. Laid a serious hit on the kid from the side just as he got to his feet. Kid in the middle let out a scream I will never forget. Turns out he broke his collar bone. Out for the season. Pretty sure he never played again.
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Post by 33coach on Aug 25, 2016 11:19:54 GMT -6
I did this in middle school, early 2000s. Whole team drill - about 30 players or so around the circle. I saw one kid get seriously hurt when I was in 8th grade. He was a smaller kid (not the smallest on the team) and wasn't that talented. Pretty sure it was his first year playing. Anyway, he got hit pretty hard one time and fell down. He took a bit to stand up because he was shook up...the coach didn't wait for him. He called another player's number and he came barrelling down the pipe. Laid a serious hit on the kid from the side just as he got to his feet. Kid in the middle let out a scream I will never forget. Turns out he broke his collar bone. Out for the season. Pretty sure he never played again. this is where i fully believe the coach should have been arrested for child abuse / child endangerment. knowingly injuring a child is not ok in any situation.
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