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Post by wingtol on Dec 28, 2006 9:08:21 GMT -6
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Post by wingt74 on Dec 28, 2006 10:38:37 GMT -6
I would argue that Ohio is the #1 football state for SO many reasons other than the statistics they list...even with just looking at the statistics - How can Texas and California be ahead of a state they are 5-6 times as large as?
Interesting to at least look at the statistics.
5. Ohio | No. 5 pro | No. 4 college | No. 5 high school: The Buckeye State has eight DI teams, seven Heismans, seven national titles, nine NFL titles and 21 NFL Hall of Famers.
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Post by airman on Dec 28, 2006 11:37:05 GMT -6
i like it, wisconsin is number 10. one spot ahead of illinios. well we are always one spot ahead of illinios ingeneral.
still I admitt I am suprised we are number 10 in the badger state. high school football while solid is not up with the times to be honest. only 4 contact days in the summer are permitted while illinois is 25 days.
guess we have to thank the Green Bay Packers.
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Post by saintrad on Dec 28, 2006 11:46:35 GMT -6
hmmm...cant argue with the top 10 or so, i think Alabama, Washington, and Oklahoma are a little low and Oregon is definatley ahead of New Mexico...but should be by a bigger margin though
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Post by wingtol on Dec 28, 2006 13:24:59 GMT -6
Thought it was neat to see the D-1 signees listed by state. Amazing to see CA/FL/TX over 200 D-1 players each
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Post by airman on Dec 28, 2006 13:35:30 GMT -6
Thought it was neat to see the D-1 signees listed by state. Amazing to see CA/FL/TX over 200 D-1 players each make most sense. these are you big electrol collete states so the population is going to be higher. |
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Post by wingtol on Dec 28, 2006 13:44:39 GMT -6
I know but the drop off from those states to the rest of the country is pretty drastic.
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Post by coachf on Dec 28, 2006 14:26:51 GMT -6
i like it, wisconsin is number 10. one spot ahead of illinios. well we are always one spot ahead of illinios ingeneral. still I admitt I am suprised we are number 10 in the badger state. high school football while solid is not up with the times to be honest. only 4 contact days in the summer are permitted while illinois is 25 days. guess we have to thank the Green Bay Packers. Hey, why you gotta be slamming Illinois? College, Wiscosin is far better, right now (although, I have hope Illinois will get better). Historically, they have been pretty even with the early advantage to Illinois (come on, Grange, Butkus, Nitchzske - compared to Crazy Legs and Alan Ameche, oh and Ron Dayne). On the game itself, though, Illinois basically put college football on the map with Red Grange. NFL- Bears and Packers are the two preeminent teams in NFL history. Because of more championships the edge has to go to the Packers. Although, George Halas has a big part in NFL history. I'm not a Bears fan so I probably won't get too passionate about this level. I really think that both of these states should be ranked higher. Unless they decided to throw early NFL history out the door. High School - sorry, Illinois dominates in that one. If you purely go on USA Today National Champs, Illinois has a contention to be in the top 5 of HS states (I think at one point New Lenox was the mythical champ in 4 straight years, not to mention the East St. Louis teams in the 80's) This year alone in the top 100 there are 7 IL schools, including the #3 team overall and only 1 WI team. Overall, however Illinois is far stronger. And to think of how many kids in the public leagues never make it out of the city.  I am sure your badgering (bad pun) of Illinois is probably based on the arrogance of Chicago-land and the hype surrounding it. I admit being a downstate guy that their are times that I wish Chicago was its own state (then maybe we could keep some of our own money). However, at times like these with city and state's importance to all levels of football is nice to have. But, Seriously, I think this ranking system is so subjective. You can put anyone in any position and justify it with that criteria. Ranking them based on the number of NFL players and championships. Sort of stupid. Texas will always reign as the High School HQ. Too much fervor and tradition to knock it off of the top spot. Can't really argue with them being #1 in college football either. It helps to have a big state. And why isn't California #1 in the Pro game. If it is based on titles they should be. However, it looks like it is based on HOF. In which case, shouldn't Pennsylvania be the #1 High School state, if that is where all the good kids come from? A little ridiculous but makes for good conversation. |
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Post by tog on Dec 28, 2006 14:32:37 GMT -6
which other states out there have these things? I am not bragging on Texas HS football so much as I am trying to find other states that have these things by the way  1. athletic periods 2. head football coach doesn't teach 3. head football coach is 90% of the time either the AD, or at least the campus athletic coordinator 4. OC and DC's get to athletic periods to work with the junior highs? 5. OC and DC's get coordinator periods to work on football/offseason stuff year round |
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Post by wingtol on Dec 28, 2006 15:11:47 GMT -6
For me personally and my experiences..... 1-5: No, No, No, No, No I would have liked to see how many State champions each state crowns compared with how many schools there are in the state playing football. |
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Post by airman on Dec 28, 2006 15:33:36 GMT -6
i like it, wisconsin is number 10. one spot ahead of illinios. well we are always one spot ahead of illinios ingeneral. still I admitt I am suprised we are number 10 in the badger state. high school football while solid is not up with the times to be honest. only 4 contact days in the summer are permitted while illinois is 25 days. guess we have to thank the Green Bay Packers. Hey, why you gotta be slamming Illinois? College, Wiscosin is far better, right now (although, I have hope Illinois will get better). Historically, they have been pretty even with the early advantage to Illinois (come on, Grange, Butkus, Nitchzske - compared to Crazy Legs and Alan Ameche, oh and Ron Dayne). On the game itself, though, Illinois basically put college football on the map with Red Grange. NFL- Bears and Packers are the two preeminent teams in NFL history. Because of more championships the edge has to go to the Packers. Although, George Halas has a big part in NFL history. I'm not a Bears fan so I probably won't get too passionate about this level. I really think that both of these states should be ranked higher. Unless they decided to throw early NFL history out the door. High School - sorry, Illinois dominates in that one. If you purely go on USA Today National Champs, Illinois has a contention to be in the top 5 of HS states (I think at one point New Lenox was the mythical champ in 4 straight years, not to mention the East St. Louis teams in the 80's) This year alone in the top 100 there are 7 IL schools, including the #3 team overall and only 1 WI team. Overall, however Illinois is far stronger. And to think of how many kids in the public leagues never make it out of the city. I am sure your badgering (bad pun) of Illinois is probably based on the arrogance of Chicago-land and the hype surrounding it. I admit being a downstate guy that their are times that I wish Chicago was its own state (then maybe we could keep some of our own money). However, at times like these with city and state's importance to all levels of football is nice to have. But, Seriously, I think this ranking system is so subjective. You can put anyone in any position and justify it with that criteria. Ranking them based on the number of NFL players and championships. Sort of stupid. Texas will always reign as the High School HQ. Too much fervor and tradition to knock it off of the top spot. Can't really argue with them being #1 in college football either. It helps to have a big state. And why isn't California #1 in the Pro game. If it is based on titles they should be. However, it looks like it is based on HOF. In which case, shouldn't Pennsylvania be the #1 High School state, if that is where all the good kids come from? A little ridiculous but makes for good conversation. I agree with you on illinois high school football being much better then wisconsin. they are ranked like 11 and wi 25 in the nation. then again, illinois has over twice the population of wisconsin. a large school in wisconsin is a 1000 students in illnois that is a 5A school I would say. college football illinois has more d1 and 1aa schools then wisconsin. the big thing though is the top program is uw and they have done more then UI in the past 20 yrs. oh and yes is it the chicagoland which I do not like. all those fibs(f**king Illinois Bastards for those who do not know) coming into wisconsin, driving up the price of hunting land. down state il is a totally different world. heck you have caol mines down there. however cario is not a very friendly place to outsiders. |
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Post by coachf on Dec 28, 2006 16:32:16 GMT -6
I'm stuck right in the middle of Illinois, literally. We have the same problem with Chicago in our area. We have a really nice Lake resort-area with tons of hunting and campgrounds. People from Chicago will come down here, build a really nice home that would be worth about $400,000 in Chicago and try to sell it for the same price here. They do nothing but drive up our property taxes. They do bring in some money for the businesses, but I could definitely do without them walking around shirtless all summer. Plus, Chicago has our governor, about every congressman and woman and make every decision for us. I don't know if there is another state that is completely run by one city like ours. And if you know our state you will discover that they have done a terrible job of running it.
Sorry Chicago people. I'm not indicting all of you, just the annoying ones.
And to answer Tog's question. That is unbelievable that you get all of that time. I get one free prep period and spend it getting lessons ready for the next day. Football stuff has to be done the night before. I think if every state was like that, the quality of football would definitely be better. Especially, when you get spring football, too.
BTW, airman you said you only get 4 days of contact. Ridiculous. I am sure that most people "bend" that rule, like we do here. I can tell you from experience we go up to my in-laws each year in the Upper Peninsula of Wisconsin (near Iron Mountain, MI). The family goes way back in that area and we usually talk football when we get there. We usually spend a week there and the local high school team is out there every night doing something.
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Post by airman on Dec 28, 2006 16:43:53 GMT -6
I'm stuck right in the middle of Illinois, literally. We have the same problem with Chicago in our area. We have a really nice Lake resort-area with tons of hunting and campgrounds. People from Chicago will come down here, build a really nice home that would be worth about $400,000 in Chicago and try to sell it for the same price here. They do nothing but drive up our property taxes. They do bring in some money for the businesses, but I could definitely do without them walking around shirtless all summer. Plus, Chicago has our governor, about every congressman and woman and make every decision for us. I don't know if there is another state that is completely run by one city like ours. And if you know our state you will discover that they have done a terrible job of running it. Sorry Chicago people. I'm not indicting all of you, just the annoying ones. And to answer Tog's question. That is unbelievable that you get all of that time. I get one free prep period and spend it getting lessons ready for the next day. Football stuff has to be done the night before. I think if every state was like that, the quality of football would definitely be better. Especially, when you get spring football, too. BTW, airman you said you only get 4 days of contact. Ridiculous. I am sure that most people "bend" that rule, like we do here. I can tell you from experience we go up to my in-laws each year in the Upper Peninsula of Wisconsin (near Iron Mountain, MI). The family goes way back in that area and we usually talk football when we get there. We usually spend a week there and the local high school team is out there every night doing something. you can coach them in strenght and conditioning all you want. you just can have only 4 days of team camp, full pads adn the like. the only problem with bendinng the laws in wisconsin is, if you get caught, it can be a lifetime ban from coaching in the state. and here I thought having the last period of the day free was a big bonus. |
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Post by airman on Dec 28, 2006 16:50:57 GMT -6
which other states out there have these things? I am not bragging on Texas HS football so much as I am trying to find other states that have these things by the way 1. athletic periods 2. head football coach doesn't teach 3. head football coach is 90% of the time either the AD, or at least the campus athletic coordinator 4. OC and DC's get to athletic periods to work with the junior highs? 5. OC and DC's get coordinator periods to work on football/offseason stuff year round football is king in texas. one has to admitt that. only thing is this, being a head football coach in texas would be nice but if you do not get the job done it is like college, you are fired. no job security. now contrast that with wisconsin where coaches are teachers first. teachers in wisconsin can retire at 30 years of service. that is right around 55. the distrcit pays your health insurance tell medicare takes over at 62 or 65. your pension play is 70% of your last years pay of teaching and that is every year until you die. you start drawing that at 55 if you want. so 70% of 62,550 is a nice chunk of change coming in, plus SS and plus at TSA you have. tell me you coaches in texas do not have to fund your own retirement. |
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Post by coachf on Dec 28, 2006 18:23:26 GMT -6
I go near the end of July, so they may be having their camp. I know in Illinois we have our 25 days and at our school we keep real good track of it. We have been able recently to get our captains to run some practices and other things that won't count towards our days. Our school requires us to be their to monitor, but we can't say anything to them our else it counts as a day. I think it has been great for us because the kids grow a lot closer when we aren't there to tell them everything. I know this year we have 26 days planned and are looking to drop one. I would love a spring football to keep it more year round. That would be best, because 25 days pretty much takes up your summer. We don't need too many more.
A lot of coaches are becoming better about sticking to the rules. We felt the IHSA was pretty generous in giving us 25 in the first place. Plus, a lot of schools now post schedules on the internet and sort. I guess you have to work with what you got.
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Post by phantom on Dec 28, 2006 20:07:35 GMT -6
which other states out there have these things? I am not bragging on Texas HS football so much as I am trying to find other states that have these things by the way 1. athletic periods In Virginia- definitely no. 2. head football coach doesn't teach Our header has a reduced schedule but he does teach and most HCs in our league teach a full schedule. 3. head football coach is 90% of the time either the AD, or at least the campus athletic coordinator At our place the HC is also co-AD but that's rare. In fact one of the school districts has a rule that the AD cannot be a football or mens' basketball coach. 4. OC and DC's get to athletic periods to work with the junior highs? 5. OC and DC's get coordinator periods to work on football/offseason stuff year round LOL. Yeah, right. |
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Post by tog on Dec 28, 2006 22:53:48 GMT -6
that is the downside of it airman
but they recycle HC's down here like crazy
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Post by aznando on Dec 29, 2006 0:41:42 GMT -6
. now contrast that with wisconsin where coaches are teachers first. teachers in wisconsin can retire at 30 years of service. that is right around 55. the distrcit pays your health insurance tell medicare takes over at 62 or 65. your pension play is 70% of your last years pay of teaching and that is every year until you die. you start drawing that at 55 if you want. so 70% of 62,550 is a nice chunk of change coming in, plus SS and plus at TSA you have. tell me you coaches in texas do not have to fund your own retirement. WOW, that's an awesome retirement package! Does any other states have similar packages? Aznando |
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Post by airman on Dec 29, 2006 8:20:19 GMT -6
. now contrast that with wisconsin where coaches are teachers first. teachers in wisconsin can retire at 30 years of service. that is right around 55. the distrcit pays your health insurance tell medicare takes over at 62 or 65. your pension play is 70% of your last years pay of teaching and that is every year until you die. you start drawing that at 55 if you want. so 70% of 62,550 is a nice chunk of change coming in, plus SS and plus at TSA you have. tell me you coaches in texas do not have to fund your own retirement. WOW, that's an awesome retirement package! Does any other states have similar packages? Aznando NJ i know has a very good retirement package. The NEA lists them at the very top for pay and benefits. wi is number two in benefits and like 12 in pay. every district I have been is starting pay is like 32 to 34,000 a year. cost of living is a lot different as well in wisconsin. |
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Post by airman on Dec 29, 2006 8:22:59 GMT -6
. now contrast that with wisconsin where coaches are teachers first. teachers in wisconsin can retire at 30 years of service. that is right around 55. the distrcit pays your health insurance tell medicare takes over at 62 or 65. your pension play is 70% of your last years pay of teaching and that is every year until you die. you start drawing that at 55 if you want. so 70% of 62,550 is a nice chunk of change coming in, plus SS and plus at TSA you have. tell me you coaches in texas do not have to fund your own retirement. WOW, that's an awesome retirement package! Does any other states have similar packages? Aznando it is a mixed blessing. we are starting to see a lot of coaches retire from teaching but not coaching. retire at 55 and coach 10 more years. hard to get a on staffer at that rate. |
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Post by coachdawhip on Dec 29, 2006 11:23:13 GMT -6
WOW, that's an awesome retirement package! Does any other states have similar packages?State of GA. 75% of your highest 2 years average salary. We also have HC's that retire at 55 and coach another 10 years. I'm trying to convince my wife to move to texas, tog & Huey, esp. if you guys recycle HC's 
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Post by tog on Dec 29, 2006 11:24:39 GMT -6
i'd work for ya whip
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Post by airman on Dec 29, 2006 14:42:03 GMT -6
WOW, that's an awesome retirement package! Does any other states have similar packages?State of GA. 75% of your highest 2 years average salary. We also have HC's that retire at 55 and coach another 10 years. I'm trying to convince my wife to move to texas, tog & Huey, esp. if you guys recycle HC's ] do you get health and dental benefits if you retire at 55 paid by the district until you are 62 or 65? |
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Post by coachdawhip on Dec 30, 2006 9:06:27 GMT -6
airman that's paid by the state!!!! and then subsized when you turn 65.
We have a ton of FL coaches who come here to coach now because of the money and benefits, which is making it hard for home grown coaches to become HC's
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Post by pantherpride91 on Dec 30, 2006 11:44:40 GMT -6
If anyone gets the chance an event that is a must see the Ohio vs. USA Herbstreit Challenge. One thing that makes Ohio football teams great is that the best here are more than open to taking on the best from everywhere else.
This year we had Byrnes (SC), De La Salle (CA), Lakeland (FL), Don Bosco Prep (NJ), Springdale (AR). This year the ohio boys went 4-5 which included a 3 point loss to third ranked Lakeland in overtime by Cincinnati St. X and a 1 point loss to second ranked Byrnes by Cincinnati Moeller.
Next year a couple of the notable teams that have comfirmed to make the trip to Ohio is Hoover (AL), Mission Viejo (CA), and DeDemath (DC). This is quickly turning into quite an event, with next year being the third year for it.
I think it goes to show just what kind of competition is coming out of the state of Ohio. Two of the three Heisman finalist were from Ohio this year and the unanimous #1 college team in the land hails from Ohio. In my opinion, Ohio has to be ranked ahead of Pennslyvania and is quickly starting to challenge the big three ahead of them.
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Post by coachf on Dec 30, 2006 13:41:52 GMT -6
I don't think every state allows their teams to travel and play, like Ohio does.
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Post by spencerxi on Dec 30, 2006 14:02:04 GMT -6
florida rules! We get spring football here wich I think is a big advantage. Texas sounds like its got it going on though.
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Post by coachdawhip on Dec 30, 2006 14:45:16 GMT -6
I don't think every state allows their teams to travel and play, like Ohio does.
I do love Ohio openness in letting their teams travel.
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Post by pantherpride91 on Dec 30, 2006 20:35:38 GMT -6
I don't think every state allows their teams to travel and play, like Ohio does. All of the games right now are played in Ohio. They are played at Nippert Stadium which is home to the University of Cincinnati and Massillon Stadium which is right down the road from the Pro Football Hall of Fame. I would like to see some of our larger teams venture out in this challenge and play across the country, but if you can keep bringing in the big names here might as well stay at home. |
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Post by stackattack on Dec 30, 2006 22:54:33 GMT -6
Traveling rules in Ohio are very strict that playing outside Ohio or any of the border states is nearly impossible.
I believe the current rule is Ohio teams can play any school in a state that borders Ohio and can only play 1 game in a state outside of the border states, contingent on no school days are missed.
So pretty much the only way Ohio teams could play the teams it does in the Herbie Classic is to hold it in Ohio. Regardless, it is a fantastic set up and the matchups have seemed to be pretty good.
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