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Post by davecisar on Nov 19, 2007 10:37:33 GMT -6
How many of your kids that start in week one of Fall Football Practice drop out before seasons end?
Your entire program.
Week 1 is first week of fall football practice. I realize many have off season requirements etc. But the start of your first official Fall Football practice to the end of season.
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Post by ajreaper on Nov 19, 2007 10:41:51 GMT -6
what level? I'd think that would make a difference- varsity should be less then frosh and JV in between I'd think.
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Post by superpower on Nov 19, 2007 10:41:56 GMT -6
At my two previous schools we always lost 3-5 kids during the first week of practice. At my new school, I have only lost one in two years.
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Post by joelee on Nov 19, 2007 10:44:45 GMT -6
Had a backup quit the tuesday before playoffs. His girlfriend at another school was getting ready to break up so he transfers to her school !
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 19, 2007 10:46:48 GMT -6
What do you mean by "start in week one"? In our H.S program, the only people who were allowed to come out once school started were incoming freshmen. Everyone else needs to be out for offseason workouts, spring football, and summer workouts to come to fall camp. I want to answer your question, but I dont know where our structure would fit in your example
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Post by lsrood on Nov 19, 2007 10:57:25 GMT -6
This was my second year as a HS Head Coach and we made it through the season again with the same players who started.
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Post by tribepride on Nov 19, 2007 11:18:03 GMT -6
What do you mean by "start in week one"? In our H.S program, the only people who were allowed to come out once school started were incoming freshmen. Everyone else needs to be out for offseason workouts, spring football, and summer workouts to come to fall camp. I want to answer your question, but I dont know where our structure would fit in your example I wish we could do that. If we had those requirements we would have to play 6-man football in the fall.
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Post by leighty on Nov 19, 2007 12:33:49 GMT -6
What do you mean by "start in week one"? In our H.S program, the only people who were allowed to come out once school started were incoming freshmen. Everyone else needs to be out for offseason workouts, spring football, and summer workouts to come to fall camp. I want to answer your question, but I dont know where our structure would fit in your example I wish we could do that. If we had those requirements we would have to play 6-man football in the fall. You can do that. All you have to do is implement the policy. It might be rough for a little while, but those who stay will be winners.
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Post by phantom on Nov 19, 2007 12:35:23 GMT -6
How many of your kids that start in week one of Fall Football Practice drop out before seasons end? Your entire program. Week 1 is first week of fall football practice. I realize many have off season requirements etc. But the start of your first official Fall Football practice to the end of season. I can't answer the poll because I agree with the others that it depends on the level. At the HS varsity level it's very low if we're starting with the beginning of two-a-days. When it happens it's either very early or very late. We had one potential starter quit on the second day. We had a couple of guys who were on the bottom of the depth chart-only because we had to put them somewhere on the depth chart- dribble away in the last couple of weeks. That's pretty typical at the varsity level. We have a tough offseason program and the guys who make it through are committed. If you're asking about the number of kids who fail to make it through our offseason program it's astronomical. Maybe half of the kids who get their name on our offseason roll actually put on pads. Wouldn't have it any other way. With the JVs it's different. We let young kids come out whether they went through the offseason or not so they're not hardened yet. Plus 14 and 15 year olds are flighty and quit for some strange reasons.
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Post by saintrad on Nov 19, 2007 13:04:31 GMT -6
i think we lost between 6-10 kids this year at the HS out of 53...
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Post by Coach Goodnight on Nov 19, 2007 13:19:22 GMT -6
That proves it then Superpower if we all ran the DW we would rule the world and kids wouldnt be quitters!! Ah it is nice to live on the dark side!
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Post by deaux68 on Nov 19, 2007 13:21:36 GMT -6
I think we had one kid quit this year and I don't believe it was his choice. His mom has snakes in her head.
Our summer workout/practice is tougher than fall practice. If you make it thru that the rest is a piece of cake.
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Post by phantom on Nov 19, 2007 13:39:54 GMT -6
I wish we could do that. If we had those requirements we would have to play 6-man football in the fall. You can do that. All you have to do is implement the policy. It might be rough for a little while, but those who stay will be winners. Mandatory offseason workouts are not allowed in many states.
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Post by tribepride on Nov 19, 2007 14:01:29 GMT -6
You can do that. All you have to do is implement the policy. It might be rough for a little while, but those who stay will be winners. Mandatory offseason workouts are not allowed in many states. Our state does not allow mandatory off-season workouts. We are at a small school (ended the season with 29 kids 9-12) and the kids are smart enought to know that if they got kicked off for missing a couple workouts, we would not be able to field a varsity team.
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Post by dubber on Nov 19, 2007 14:22:45 GMT -6
Had a backup quit the tuesday before playoffs. His girlfriend at another school was getting ready to break up so he transfers to her school ! you know everything at 17 don't you?
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 19, 2007 16:17:39 GMT -6
Mandatory offseason workouts are not allowed in many states. Our state does not allow mandatory off-season workouts. We are at a small school (ended the season with 29 kids 9-12) and the kids are smart enought to know that if they got kicked off for missing a couple workouts, we would not be able to field a varsity team. That isn't smart. That is a BAD CULTURE and something the coaches should work their tails off on remedying.
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Post by ajreaper on Nov 19, 2007 19:19:43 GMT -6
LOL, there not mandatory you just better be there if you want to play. If you have to many guys who just want to be on the team and not commit to being players or to many guys who just want to play rather then perform you are in for a long season.
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Post by phantom on Nov 19, 2007 19:36:02 GMT -6
LOL, there not mandatory you just better be there if you want to play. If you have to many guys who just want to be on the team and not commit to being players or to many guys who just want to play rather then perform you are in for a long season. I agree. My point is that some of us can't just implement a policy that says that you can't be on the team if you don't go through the offseason program. Realistically, can they come in and help us? Can they work their way up the depth chart and play? Probably not but if they can they must be studs.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2007 19:52:09 GMT -6
We lost 5 out of our original 88 juniors and seniors this season. They were the right 5.
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Post by bigcroz on Nov 19, 2007 21:28:07 GMT -6
we lost 1 kid after the start of fall camp, and he quit becuase he found out he was ineligable for the entire season.(long story) Our summer program is "voluntary", I keep track of attendance. During camp, the kids and staff stay at the school from 7am Mon til 5 pm Fri, fed by the boosters. There is a mandatory 1 hour conditioning period after the last of three practices everyday. Those that were at 90 % of the "voluntary" summer workouts are "rewarded" by being excused from this conditioning period. I can't punish those that do not make summer workouts but I sure can and do reward those that do!!! Have about 90-95% summer participation!
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Post by wccoach on Nov 20, 2007 7:46:48 GMT -6
We did not lose very many players this year, but we had way too many "jersey collectors". The HC did not do enough to chase away this attitude and I got on the wrong side of him when I expressed (in a private meeting) my opinion. He was of the opinion that if we could get a bunch of kids out that we would find some great football players. Well, we got a bunch of kids to come out for football because we let the kids pretty much come and go as they pleased through the off-season and summer workouts. When the HC found out that I was taking attendance at each work out he got angry and told me that it was against the rules to take attendance and he didn't want the players to feel pressured to be at the workouts. We only had 2 kids quit this year and went 0-10. HC just got canned this week. I really like him and he is a good X & O guy, but his touchy, feely, way of dealing with the players just got them killed on game nights.
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Post by tribepride on Nov 20, 2007 8:11:12 GMT -6
Our state does not allow mandatory off-season workouts. We are at a small school (ended the season with 29 kids 9-12) and the kids are smart enough to know that if they got kicked off for missing a couple workouts, we would not be able to field a varsity team. That isn't smart. That is a BAD CULTURE and something the coaches should work their tails off on remedying. Trust me, we do work our tails off trying to change the "culture." The amazing part is that our program is one of the most storied programs in the state. It is very hard to fight when the parents are the ones making the excuses for the kids. We only have 180 students in grades 10-12 so we can't boot eight kids of the team and then stick 5'5" 140lb frosh's on the field and expect to compete. I know it sounds great to set an example....so them the way it will be....etc. but if we had super strict policies we would not be able to compete and win. So call us what you want but we will take the more lenient route in order to give us the best chance on Friday nights.
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Post by k on Nov 20, 2007 8:54:00 GMT -6
We had one kid in 10-12 quit after the start of fall practice and two more (both first year players) quit during summer workouts. His father made him because "the violence in football isn't Christian."
We had six kids who quit the freshman team most within the first week or so. Only one kid who quit I wish he didn't but he just didn't have the heart to work six days a week at the game.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 20, 2007 17:31:50 GMT -6
do you guys think "quitting" is the same thing as "I will try it..." then the kid says "nope, not for me"... ...to me, quitting is when a kid gives up the game he loves for reasons such as "i want to play quarterback" or "they dont throw to me enough" or " the coach is a jerk".... the reason I say that is because I recruit so hard and get so many kids to JUST GIVE IT A TRY and sometimes its not for them. they really are too small, slow and weak and just feel that they cant keep up...they need more time to grow and mature etc. I dont belittle them at all as they often come back the next year. Once in a while I get a kid whos daddy thinks hes a star and the kid quits because his dad wants him to. those kids usually dont come back. Great Point, and not at all...lol. I have told kids countless times that the ONLY reason NOT to play football, is because you tried it, and didn't like it. Not because of Grades, Girls, Peers, Baseball, etc.
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Post by coachvann on Nov 20, 2007 21:00:09 GMT -6
I just came into a program that had a mass exodus last year when they were kicked out of their league. It was a power house football program (2000-2004-I coached here durning this time then moved out to Cali and came back to build this thing back up). They lossed 9 seniors, 12 juniors, 8 sophomores, and 14 freshman.
We come in late last year to put in our system and was gearing up for about 40 guys to come back out. When 2 a days started we had 35...Lost 3 studs and 2 young guys...after 2 a days we lost two athletic 250+ guys to basketball dreams...the bleeding did not stop there...we then lost 8 more guys throughout the season--we went through 4 DE's this year. Very frustrating situation...but we will get this thing turned around!!! Don't be discouraged by the guys who leave...you probably did not need them anyhow.
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Post by phantom on Nov 20, 2007 21:06:50 GMT -6
What reasons did they give for quitting.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2007 21:17:07 GMT -6
My favorite "reason" is "it just isn't working out the way I wanted it to."
My response to that is always, "well okay, you're going to find a lot of things don't work out the way you want them to and you don't always have the choice to leave those things behind so in this case I guess you're right to quit because in real life you don't get a lot of chances to just walk away. . .and make sure your equipment is washed."
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Post by coachbdud on Nov 20, 2007 22:20:06 GMT -6
a ton of our kids quit because they are just quiters, lose a couple games in a row and they dont wanna be a part of it, then they walk around saying im too dope for that team. a lot of kids also quit cuz their parents make them get jobs
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Post by theprez98 on Nov 20, 2007 22:30:39 GMT -6
We only had one kid quit this year. He intentionally skipped a cardio practice (something we call "four quarters"). We booted him conditionally, and gave him the opportunity to come back if he made up the practice, but he decided not to.
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Post by wildcat on Nov 20, 2007 22:42:21 GMT -6
We did not lose very many players this year, but we had way too many "jersey collectors". The HC did not do enough to chase away this attitude and I got on the wrong side of him when I expressed (in a private meeting) my opinion. He was of the opinion that if we could get a bunch of kids out that we would find some great football players. Well, we got a bunch of kids to come out for football because we let the kids pretty much come and go as they pleased through the off-season and summer workouts. When the HC found out that I was taking attendance at each work out he got angry and told me that it was against the rules to take attendance and he didn't want the players to feel pressured to be at the workouts. We only had 2 kids quit this year and went 0-10. HC just got canned this week. I really like him and he is a good X & O guy, but his touchy, feely, way of dealing with the players just got them killed on game nights. Sounds a lot like our situation this past year. Inmates ran the asylum. For example, our starting center quit on Tuesday, wasn't at practice on Wednesday, came back on Thursday, and started Friday night. That kind of crap happened constantly. Kids would show up when they felt like it, came and went as they pleased, were almost never on time, and really didn't do anything "extra" because they knew their efforts were not going to be rewarded and recognized. The reason we were so soft on the kids simply had to do with the fact that we didn't think that we were going to have enough kids to field a decent team. We didn't want to "chase kids away" and didn't want kids to quit. Well, we had enough kids, but we were far from decent. We went 4-5 and didn't make the playoffs. By the time we realized that the way we were managing the team was counterproductive and was almost guaranteed to produce underachievement, it was too late to back up the truck. The damage had been done and we had to suck it up and grind out the last couple games. But, we have learned. Our mantra this year is to do things the right way. It was obvious from this past season that we aren't going to win doing things the way we did them this year. So, our goal is to raise expecations and standards and get kids to do things the right way. The press conference that Nick Saban gave the other day really hit home with me...I sent that link to all of the other coaches on the staff. What he described was our situation to a "T".
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