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Post by wingtol on Dec 9, 2016 10:38:40 GMT -6
In Pennsylvania there is no separation for private and public. This weekend is our state championships and the disparity between the bigger and smaller classification are very noticeable. The smaller three division 5 of 6 are public and the larger three division 5 of 6 are private. In terms of transfers, the issue lies more in basketball then football, but also the Eastern Part of the state out by Philly seems to have more lax rules on transferring then the Western Part of the state School from our city won it all in PA last night. I teach in the city district but coach in another district right now, coached at the private school that won it all last night before and another private school as well. Here is the problem in our area/city: our city schools are a mess right now. Super just told the Governor we need 28 million in additional funding to stay a float. Looking at a 10 million dollar short fall next year. Which leads to the problem, we have some very nice areas in the city to live and the people who live in these areas are not going to send their kids to the city HS because quite frankly they are war zones. So what do you do if you live in the nicer areas of the city, you send em to private school. Especially if they are athletic. Sure that's what it is like in other areas as well. Some situations you can't fault the private schools for the situations in their areas. Now of course there are private schools that aren't in areas like ours who take advantage of being a private school but I know there are public schools that take advantage of open boundaries, fake address, etc...
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Post by ogre5530 on Dec 9, 2016 11:37:48 GMT -6
In Illinois we are all together. The privates typically do very well. This year I think they only won 1 of the 8 titles, but that's pretty rare. Last year I think they won 5 of the 8. They have a multiplier of 1.65 added to their enrollment, but to be honest it doesn't make much of a difference.
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Post by tabs52 on Dec 9, 2016 13:12:21 GMT -6
In Pennsylvania there is no separation for private and public. This weekend is our state championships and the disparity between the bigger and smaller classification are very noticeable. The smaller three division 5 of 6 are public and the larger three division 5 of 6 are private. In terms of transfers, the issue lies more in basketball then football, but also the Eastern Part of the state out by Philly seems to have more lax rules on transferring then the Western Part of the state School from our city won it all in PA last night. I teach in the city district but coach in another district right now, coached at the private school that won it all last night before and another private school as well. Here is the problem in our area/city: our city schools are a mess right now. Super just told the Governor we need 28 million in additional funding to stay a float. Looking at a 10 million dollar short fall next year. Which leads to the problem, we have some very nice areas in the city to live and the people who live in these areas are not going to send their kids to the city HS because quite frankly they are war zones. So what do you do if you live in the nicer areas of the city, you send em to private school. Especially if they are athletic. Sure that's what it is like in other areas as well. Some situations you can't fault the private schools for the situations in their areas. Now of course there are private schools that aren't in areas like ours who take advantage of being a private school but I know there are public schools that take advantage of open boundaries, fake address, etc... I totally agree with you in many situations, but the amount of transfers that take place puts them at an unfair advantage. I believe it was the team that won the AAAA last or two years ago had kids from three or four states.
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Post by tabs52 on Dec 9, 2016 13:13:47 GMT -6
In Illinois we are all together. The privates typically do very well. This year I think they only won 1 of the 8 titles, but that's pretty rare. Last year I think they won 5 of the 8. They have a multiplier of 1.65 added to their enrollment, but to be honest it doesn't make much of a difference. That multiplier would be a huge difference espcially for the small private schools in my region. It would put a couple of them up into the next classification
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 10, 2016 15:47:42 GMT -6
In Illinois we are all together. The privates typically do very well. This year I think they only won 1 of the 8 titles, but that's pretty rare. Last year I think they won 5 of the 8. They have a multiplier of 1.65 added to their enrollment, but to be honest it doesn't make much of a difference. That multiplier would be a huge difference espcially for the small private schools in my region. It would put a couple of them up into the next classification I think that is the biggest hurdle when discussing private vs public-- things get lumped together. For many private schools that go .500 every year, such a multiplier would seriously impact the program. For the few privates that are routinely deep in the playoffs or winning championships year in and year out, it might mean a few less titles in a decade, but those schools are often beating schools with considerably higher enrollments already.
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Post by tabs52 on Dec 10, 2016 17:05:06 GMT -6
I do agree with that but just speaking from experience out of the private schools in our area only 1 did not make to the playoffs in their respected classification. I think this weekend 4 out of the 6 state champs in PA will be private schools
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Post by rsmith627 on Dec 11, 2016 6:22:38 GMT -6
My point was that private schools for the most part don't have an inherent advantage. Having stricter academic rigors does not make us more viable for football; it gives us less of a pool to select from. Here is my point Private schools have a larger pool in which to choose athlete than a boundary/public school has, even though you may have more academically rigorous standards at your private school your "pool to select from" is still larger than a public school that gets what it get within it's boundaries. Here in Utah you have private schools like Wasatch Academy who pull kids all the way from New Zealand, so their "pool to select from" is pretty big. For a private school the pool you select from is related to how big of an area you want to recruit, where as public is related to the boundaries of your area. You can't argue that fact. Also, your point about having less kids to choose from because of academic standards is wrong. In my experience dumb students are also dumb football players, my best football players are always the best students in the school. The perception that you are somehow missing out on talented stupid kids is flat false, you aren't missing out on anyone, you're just making your job easier. I have coached at a public school and a private school, and at a public school you get what you get and that's it. When you have good athletes life is great, when you don't you coach them up, help them get their grades up and make sure they are eligible to play and then live with the mistakes they make on the field. Not to mention Judge Memorial and Juan Diego. Both of them are usually pretty good as well, but they seem to get most of theirs from the Salt Lake Valley area. Still, there is a ton of talent in the valley. While a smaller pool, not too shabby.
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Post by tabs52 on Dec 11, 2016 11:35:17 GMT -6
I do agree that private schools for the most part do have a tougher academic standard but they still have the ability to pull a player in from any region. A prime example of a team we played this year, actually had a kid that lives in our district on their team, mind you the commute to the school is proably 1/2 each day.
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Post by stilllearning on Dec 12, 2016 10:17:55 GMT -6
Indiana it's all piled together. The top division is dominated by public schools. The 2nd division, mostly public. The 4 lower divisions are dominated by private.
The publics in the top division of Indiana are SO big, it's hard for a private school to hang. Carmel, who won it this year, has about 3,000 more students than some other schools within the biggest division. At those enrollments, it's hard for a private to even get in that division, let alone compete with a school over twice as big.
Drop down to division 3/4 and I think we're at about 85% of the time privates win state.
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