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Post by vanden48 on Apr 25, 2016 9:41:42 GMT -6
I just did a youth camp and used the Fisher Tackling Rings. I had the K-2 graders tackle the 28" and the 36" ring. And the 3-6th graders tackle the 36" and 42" ring. It worked out pretty good. If the device is too big they tend to roll over the top of it when they try to bring it down.
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Post by 1coachhansen on Apr 27, 2016 8:30:04 GMT -6
I was thinking that same thing on just using a truck tire or something. When I told my Riddle rep that, he acted concerned and said "you must have tough kids"... obviously he's trying to sell me 3 or 4 k worth of equipment. But has anyone actually used a normal tire? How did it work?
On the shadow men tacklers... we bought 3 last year because I loved the concept of tackling something moving... uh, it wasn't very good in my opinion. You have to blow them up everyday... it's not like tackling a pop up tackler.. it's like tackling a balloon. no resistance at all... we actually were getting kids ending up doing a summersalt (spell) because they were going at it in game speed and the dummies just collapse. one of ours actually popped after a few sessions.
The tire thing seems real useful. I played in the late 80s and we were taught to tackle legs, not chest to chest. I guess it's called Hawk talking or Rugby tackling now... I've heard it call gator tackling too. Anyways, i've never taught chest to chest tackling, but have always worried about players getting rolled up and injured when practicing person on person "Hawk" tackling. Any suggestions?
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Post by coachpech on Apr 27, 2016 8:58:52 GMT -6
I was thinking that same thing on just using a truck tire or something. When I told my Riddle rep that, he acted concerned and said "you must have tough kids"... obviously he's trying to sell me 3 or 4 k worth of equipment. But has anyone actually used a normal tire? How did it work? On the shadow men tacklers... we bought 3 last year because I loved the concept of tackling something moving... uh, it wasn't very good in my opinion. You have to blow them up everyday... it's not like tackling a pop up tackler.. it's like tackling a balloon. no resistance at all... we actually were getting kids ending up doing a summersalt (spell) because they were going at it in game speed and the dummies just collapse. one of ours actually popped after a few sessions. The tire thing seems real useful. I played in the late 80s and we were taught to tackle legs, not chest to chest. I guess it's called Hawk talking or Rugby tackling now... I've heard it call gator tackling too. Anyways, i've never taught chest to chest tackling, but have always worried about players getting rolled up and injured when practicing person on person "Hawk" tackling. Any suggestions? What brand did you buy if you don't mind me asking? We were just getting ready to buy some Gilman 42" tackling wheels.
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Post by coachbdud on Apr 27, 2016 9:00:35 GMT -6
i just had a thought... what if i could make a mold of sorts
spray that expanding foam in it it would take on the mold shape
and now i have a big donut made out of the expanding foam
idk i'm just spitting ideas out here, i love the idea of the tackling wheel, i just have a hard time paying that much money for a foam object that cavemen invented a million years ago
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Post by 1coachhansen on Apr 27, 2016 12:59:28 GMT -6
i just had a thought... what if i could make a mold of sorts spray that expanding foam in it it would take on the mold shape and now i have a big donut made out of the expanding foam idk i'm just spitting ideas out here, i love the idea of the tackling wheel, i just have a hard time paying that much money for a foam object that cavemen invented a million years ago I think just the foam would be too light, wouldn't it? What about foaming the inside of a tire? Would tackling a tire with full pads be that rough on kids?
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Post by silkyice on Apr 27, 2016 16:00:37 GMT -6
i just had a thought... what if i could make a mold of sorts spray that expanding foam in it it would take on the mold shape and now i have a big donut made out of the expanding foam idk i'm just spitting ideas out here, i love the idea of the tackling wheel, i just have a hard time paying that much money for a foam object that cavemen invented a million years ago I think just the foam would be too light, wouldn't it? Â What about foaming the inside of a tire? Would tackling a tire with full pads be that rough on kids? Â I could certainly see some skin burns.
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Post by vanden48 on Apr 27, 2016 21:45:32 GMT -6
I'm just going to go ahead and say that tackling a tire would not be safe. If you can't buy the tackling rings, don't try and tackle a tire, that would be dumb and would get kids hurt. Coachbdud has alot of good posts and ideas, I', hoping he was kidding about this one.
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Post by coachbdud on Apr 27, 2016 21:55:17 GMT -6
I'm just going to go ahead and say that tackling a tire would not be safe. If you can't buy the tackling rings, don't try and tackle a tire, that would be dumb and would get kids hurt. Coachbdud has alot of good posts and ideas, I', hoping he was kidding about this one. wasn't kidding i havent done it was just putting the idea out there to consider as an alternative if the tire was light enough i dont see it being dangerous
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Post by joris85 on Apr 28, 2016 2:10:05 GMT -6
I like the idea and started googling. There are high density expansion foams on the market. I'd say they might be heavy and rigid enough. A little pricey, but still a lot cheaper than what the wheel vendors would offer. www.carbonfiberglass.com/Foam-Core/expanding-foam-ab-2-part-pour/16-LB-Density-Urethane-Foam-80lb-kit-5-cubic-ft-coverage.htmlYou should be able to make a mold out of aluminum sheeting, right? If the corners aren't perfectly square, that should be fine, nothing a knife can't handle. I guess the top side (side without cover of the mold) could be sawn of with a hand saw. And then, wrap it up with duct tape for durability and skin protection. Yup, I like the idea and am seriously going to investigate this.
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Post by 1coachhansen on Apr 28, 2016 11:47:35 GMT -6
LOL. I still like the tire idea... like the ones in the old days that we used for footwork stuff. Maybe I'll tackle it myself a few times, then decide. Those tires are very heavy and the come up to about my waist (I'm 6 foot tall)... It's not like the tractor tires we have kids flip for pete's sake.
How is there going to be a skin burn?! The tire is moving at about 1/2 mile an hour. My only concern is that the tire not be quite tall enough with a regular car tire... might have to get a truck tire.
I'll check it out and let you fellas know... Nasty skin burn... LOL... funny.
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Post by vanden48 on Apr 28, 2016 11:50:28 GMT -6
So spending $300 on expanding foam to make a tackling ring you can buy for $300? www.bsnsports.com/tackle-wheelWell to each their own I guess. I don't have the time to do all of that. I just tried to make some tires with nets on them that I could hang from the goal post for the QBs to throw into. Got the tires for free, spent $25 on the netting, which wasn't thick enough. Spent about $75 on the hardware. And after stapling the net onto the tire and drilling all the hardware in I watched the net rip after the the first hard pass hit it dead on. I ordered a couple of QB practice target nets for $130 instead. I just don't have the time or manpower to make stuff I can order to save money. My time is money and the when I take in the time I spend making things, it ends up costing me much more.
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Post by coachbdud on Apr 28, 2016 11:53:38 GMT -6
So spending $300 on expanding foam to make a tackling ring you can buy for $300? www.bsnsports.com/tackle-wheelWell to each their own I guess. I don't have the time to do all of that. I just tried to make some tires with nets on them that I could hang from the goal post for the QBs to throw into. Got the tires for free, spent $25 on the netting, which wasn't thick enough. Spent about $75 on the hardware. And after stapling the net onto the tire and drilling all the hardware in I watched the net rip after the the first hard pass hit it dead on. I ordered a couple of QB practice target nets for $130 instead. I just don't have the time or manpower to make stuff I can order to save money. My time is money and the when I take in the time I spend making things, it ends up costing me much more. Expanding foam is like $10 But I understand where you're coming from
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Post by vanden48 on Apr 28, 2016 12:23:05 GMT -6
On a side note, does anybody know where I can order a device to mark my balls?
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Post by fantom on Apr 28, 2016 12:40:38 GMT -6
On a side note, does anybody know where I can order a device to mark my balls? A tattoo would probably hurt.
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Post by silkyice on Apr 28, 2016 12:50:12 GMT -6
LOL. I still like the tire idea... like the ones in the old days that we used for footwork stuff. Maybe I'll tackle it myself a few times, then decide. Those tires are very heavy and the come up to about my waist (I'm 6 foot tall)... It's not like the tractor tires we have kids flip for pete's sake. How is there going to be a skin burn?! The tire is moving at about 1/2 mile an hour. My only concern is that the tire not be quite tall enough with a regular car tire... might have to get a truck tire. I'll check it out and let you fellas know... Nasty skin burn... LOL... funny. Ummmmmm.... have you ever slid on dry grass and got a skin burn? I would just think that tackling a rolling spinning rubber tire in the August heat would certainly produce some skin burn.
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Post by fantom on Apr 28, 2016 12:53:58 GMT -6
So spending $300 on expanding foam to make a tackling ring you can buy for $300? www.bsnsports.com/tackle-wheelWell to each their own I guess. I don't have the time to do all of that. I just tried to make some tires with nets on them that I could hang from the goal post for the QBs to throw into. Got the tires for free, spent $25 on the netting, which wasn't thick enough. Spent about $75 on the hardware. And after stapling the net onto the tire and drilling all the hardware in I watched the net rip after the the first hard pass hit it dead on. I ordered a couple of QB practice target nets for $130 instead. I just don't have the time or manpower to make stuff I can order to save money. My time is money and the when I take in the time I spend making things, it ends up costing me much more. Expanding foam is like $10 But I understand where you're coming from $10 a can. How many cans would it take to make a 42 inch wheel?
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Post by coachbdud on Apr 28, 2016 12:56:56 GMT -6
Expanding foam is like $10 But I understand where you're coming from $10 a can. How many cans would it take to make a 42 inch wheel? Actually probably only 1 or 2 That stuff expands like crazy
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Post by silkyice on Apr 28, 2016 12:57:45 GMT -6
On a side note, does anybody know where I can order a device to mark my balls? Wrong website dude. This is a safe for work site. But you can pm @dcohio, he probably knows.
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Post by Chris Clement on Apr 28, 2016 13:03:28 GMT -6
How about a big inner tube and spray foam?
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Post by coachbdud on Apr 28, 2016 13:23:17 GMT -6
How about a big inner tube and spray foam? see, now we are talkin spray foam has that little straw attachment like WD40 spray it in, let it expand, spray some more, let it expand,
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Post by Chris Clement on Apr 28, 2016 13:24:30 GMT -6
ERTW
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Post by 33coach on Apr 28, 2016 20:21:38 GMT -6
i just had a thought... what if i could make a mold of sorts spray that expanding foam in it it would take on the mold shape and now i have a big donut made out of the expanding foam idk i'm just spitting ideas out here, i love the idea of the tackling wheel, i just have a hard time paying that much money for a foam object that cavemen invented a million years ago If you did. I would buy them. Start a company! :thumbup:
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Post by 1coachhansen on Apr 29, 2016 6:36:58 GMT -6
LOL. I still like the tire idea... like the ones in the old days that we used for footwork stuff. Maybe I'll tackle it myself a few times, then decide. Those tires are very heavy and the come up to about my waist (I'm 6 foot tall)... It's not like the tractor tires we have kids flip for pete's sake. How is there going to be a skin burn?! The tire is moving at about 1/2 mile an hour. My only concern is that the tire not be quite tall enough with a regular car tire... might have to get a truck tire. I'll check it out and let you fellas know... Nasty skin burn... LOL... funny. Ummmmmm.... have you ever slid on dry grass and got a skin burn? I would just think that tackling a rolling spinning rubber tire in the August heat would certainly produce some skin burn. Uhhhhhh, so you couldn't do the same thing tackling and gator rolling a dummy?! or a pop up sled, or a shadow man tackler?!!! And it's not the tire that would cause the burn (if there is one) it would be the ground with can happen in ANY drill utilized. Stop all drills?! Ummmmmmm, come on fella.
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Post by silkyice on Apr 29, 2016 7:32:05 GMT -6
Ummmmmm.... have you ever slid on dry grass and got a skin burn? I would just think that tackling a rolling spinning rubber tire in the August heat would certainly produce some skin burn. Uhhhhhh, so you couldn't do the same thing tackling and gator rolling a dummy?! or a pop up sled, or a shadow man tackler?!!! And it's not the tire that would cause the burn (if there is one) it would be the ground with can happen in ANY drill utilized. Stop all drills?! Ummmmmmm, come on fella. You are completely misunderstanding me. You made the comment earlier that the tire is only moving at 1/2 mile per hour, so therefore there could be no skin burn. My comment on a dry grass skin burn was to demonstrate that you could get skin burn on something that is moving at ZERO miles per hour. The grass is not moving. The tire is moving. And not at 1/2 mph by the way. I would estimate those things are rolled at 5-10 mph. But that still isn't the point. The skin burn friction comes from the fact that the PERSON is running. He generates most or all of the speed and his skin is coming in contact with rubber which has a tremendously higher coefficient of friction that grass. So you can get skin burn from sliding full speed on the grass that is not moving. I would just think that you are asking for skin burn when you are trying to tackle at full speed a moving hunk of rubber. I was not saying that you should avoid any kind of drill so that you could avoid grass skin burns. I am saying that maybe it would be better to buy the product that is made for being used as a tackling wheel instead of using a rubber tire. It really was an off-hand comment about that skin burns could be a possibility. I cannot believe that I have to defend this statement that skin burns could possibly happen while tackling a moving rubber tire. I could be wrong. I 100% believe I could be wrong on that. I have never tried to tackle a rubber wheel. My point was to stop and think about some negative points before people go and try and literally "reinvent the tackling wheel." LMAO
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Post by pistolwhipped on Apr 29, 2016 7:35:07 GMT -6
Y'all trying to reinvent the wheel are gonna roll (and I use that term loosely) out something like this...
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Post by fantom on Apr 29, 2016 9:19:35 GMT -6
Uhhhhhh, so you couldn't do the same thing tackling and gator rolling a dummy?! or a pop up sled, or a shadow man tackler?!!! And it's not the tire that would cause the burn (if there is one) it would be the ground with can happen in ANY drill utilized. Stop all drills?! Ummmmmmm, come on fella. You are completely misunderstanding me. You made the comment earlier that the tire is only moving at 1/2 mile per hour, so therefore there could be no skin burn. My comment on a dry grass skin burn was to demonstrate that you could get skin burn on something that is moving at ZERO miles per hour. The grass is not moving. The tire is moving. And not at 1/2 mph by the way. I would estimate those things are rolled at 5-10 mph. But that still isn't the point. The skin burn friction comes from the fact that the PERSON is running. He generates most or all of the speed and his skin is coming in contact with rubber which has a tremendously higher coefficient of friction that grass. So you can get skin burn from sliding full speed on the grass that is not moving. I would just think that you are asking for skin burn when you are trying to tackle at full speed a moving hunk of rubber. I was not saying that you should avoid any kind of drill so that you could avoid grass skin burns. I am saying that maybe it would be better to buy the product that is made for being used as a tackling wheel instead of using a rubber tire. It really was an off-hand comment about that skin burns could be a possibility. I cannot believe that I have to defend this statement that skin burns could possibly happen while tackling a moving rubber tire. I could be wrong. I 100% believe I could be wrong on that. I have never tried to tackle a rubber wheel. My point was to stop and think about some negative points before people go and try and literally "reinvent the tackling wheel." LMAO Skin burn, hell. Any tire big enough to be worth tackling is going to be heavy and hard. After you tackle it it's not going to roll like a foam tackling wheel. Somebody can break bones and when they do and you're out of work and the judge rules for the plaintiff the tackling wheels will look cheap.
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Post by vanden48 on Apr 29, 2016 10:15:31 GMT -6
You are completely misunderstanding me. You made the comment earlier that the tire is only moving at 1/2 mile per hour, so therefore there could be no skin burn. My comment on a dry grass skin burn was to demonstrate that you could get skin burn on something that is moving at ZERO miles per hour. The grass is not moving. The tire is moving. And not at 1/2 mph by the way. I would estimate those things are rolled at 5-10 mph. But that still isn't the point. The skin burn friction comes from the fact that the PERSON is running. He generates most or all of the speed and his skin is coming in contact with rubber which has a tremendously higher coefficient of friction that grass. So you can get skin burn from sliding full speed on the grass that is not moving. I would just think that you are asking for skin burn when you are trying to tackle at full speed a moving hunk of rubber. I was not saying that you should avoid any kind of drill so that you could avoid grass skin burns. I am saying that maybe it would be better to buy the product that is made for being used as a tackling wheel instead of using a rubber tire. It really was an off-hand comment about that skin burns could be a possibility. I cannot believe that I have to defend this statement that skin burns could possibly happen while tackling a moving rubber tire. I could be wrong. I 100% believe I could be wrong on that. I have never tried to tackle a rubber wheel. My point was to stop and think about some negative points before people go and try and literally "reinvent the tackling wheel." LMAO Skin burn, hell. Any tire big enough to be worth tackling is going to be heavy and hard. After you tackle it it's not going to roll like a foam tackling wheel. Somebody can break bones and when they do and you're out of work and the judge rules for the plaintiff the tackling wheels will look cheap. Exactly what I was saying. I just don't think it would be a good idea to tackle a tire, and I don't have the time to spray foam into a mold. God bless you guys that have the time. I am really looking hard though for something that can mark my FOOTBALLS. I just don't want my balls getting mixed up with anybody else's balls and I would like my balls to look nice. I have horrible handwriting and the sharpie usually rubs off.
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Post by pistolwhipped on Apr 29, 2016 11:00:27 GMT -6
Skin burn, hell. Any tire big enough to be worth tackling is going to be heavy and hard. After you tackle it it's not going to roll like a foam tackling wheel. Somebody can break bones and when they do and you're out of work and the judge rules for the plaintiff the tackling wheels will look cheap. I just don't want my balls getting mixed up with anybody else's balls and I would like my balls to look nice. I have horrible handwriting and the sharpie usually rubs off.
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Post by airraider on Apr 30, 2016 9:40:53 GMT -6
And to clarify I'm not talking monster truck tire But bigger than the tires on a civic Something In-between Those are hard rubber... you get a kid hurt using that vs using something you specifically purchased that was made for doing such drills.. you could be in line for a lawsuit.
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Post by airraider on Apr 30, 2016 9:43:15 GMT -6
i just had a thought... what if i could make a mold of sorts spray that expanding foam in it it would take on the mold shape and now i have a big donut made out of the expanding foam idk i'm just spitting ideas out here, i love the idea of the tackling wheel, i just have a hard time paying that much money for a foam object that cavemen invented a million years ago That would break in half the first time you used it.
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