yimmer
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Post by yimmer on Feb 20, 2016 20:43:49 GMT -6
I'm one of those coaches that doesn't have the luxury of watching film during the day. My job doesn't allow that time other than maybe 15 min during lunch. So I guess I'm a grinder cause when I get home I spend my time w my family. If that means I'm up til 830-9 before the kids r in bed n then I get to go watch practice n the opponent til 1-2 am n back up at 530. I guess I fit in to that grinder/sleep when I'm dead category. But I will say this u can throw out your data cause the excitement of the season is all the adrenaline I need to be successful. I will sleep in the offseason! How old are you? Mid 30s why? The only time for me to get things done like watching film of opponent/practice, gameplan, set practice plan/scripts is late at night. Not fair for my kids to do it any other way. Same goes for the weekend other than when we meet for a few hours as a staff. I love what I do so there is no negative side effect. Believe me if I wasn't enjoying it I would hear it from my wife!
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mhs99
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Post by mhs99 on Feb 20, 2016 20:55:16 GMT -6
When I was a "grinder", it was because I was very involved in the Xs and Os of the game. I learned to focus on: a) Their personnel. We watch film to see who is going to cause us problems and who we can attack. We work many of our adjustments around that. b) How fundamentally sound they are. I, personally, don't see the point in pouring over hours of film, watching a team that can't execute for a crap. We'll game plan the way we usually do but we're only going to watch a game or two to get some scout cards done. If a team is very sound (i.e. DEs that use block down/step down rules) we'll need to get more turns at various skills (i.e. logging said DEs) during the week. c)Not chase ghosts. In the past, we dig and dig through film if we saw a team do something odd once or twice in a game. For example, a pretty standard Air-Raid team lined up in the pistol once in a game and ran some veer. We watched every game film we had of them to see if we'd see it more. It was a waste of time; we knew how to defend option anyway so we tossed it into the scout cards and got a few more turns at it. d) You won't need to be "as prepared" if your offensive and defensive schemes are simple and well-coached. You'll already be "prepared" because you've been smart with your scheme. We don't need to spend hours game planning around what defensive fronts we're going to see because our blocking rules already account for them and the kids have gotten a ton of turns at it. We won't keep watching film on the off-chance that we might see some different formation or alignment on defense because our base package has already accounted for it. People say that "knowledge is power" which is true but there's also no need to be redundant. Throw down the mic big man...this is a perfect post is so many way. The scouting part is on point and a must for young coaches that try to worry about how what play is run from what hash....all about being fundamentally sound the other teams Jimmy's and Joe's
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Post by fantom on Feb 20, 2016 21:03:59 GMT -6
Mid 30s why? The only time for me to get things done like watching film of opponent/practice, gameplan, set practice plan/scripts is late at night. Not fair for my kids to do it any other way. Same goes for the weekend other than when we meet for a few hours as a staff. I love what I do so there is no negative side effect. Believe me if I wasn't enjoying it I would hear it from my wife! You're a young buck now but you won't be forever. Not sure how old your kids are. I also spent a lot of time with mine but kids really only spend part of the weekend with you. A lot of their time they'll be playing with their friends. When they do, you get to work. If, while you're working, the kids ask you to have a catch or whatnot, by all means stop and play. You can get an awful lot done in the meantime, though. How much does your practice plan vary? I'm the DC so I write the practice plan for our defensive day (Wednesday). I wrote up a plan in Word (Well, Open Office). Once we get into the season, often making our plan involves changing the date. "Writing" the plan takes about 15 minutes. Scripts are hard but that's because it takes a lot of thought, not because it's time consuming. Again, we have a template. Takes maybe an hour. As somebody earlier, work smarter not harder.
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yimmer
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Post by yimmer on Feb 20, 2016 21:47:07 GMT -6
Mid 30s why? The only time for me to get things done like watching film of opponent/practice, gameplan, set practice plan/scripts is late at night. Not fair for my kids to do it any other way. Same goes for the weekend other than when we meet for a few hours as a staff. I love what I do so there is no negative side effect. Believe me if I wasn't enjoying it I would hear it from my wife! You're a young buck now but you won't be forever. Not sure how old your kids are. I also spent a lot of time with mine but kids really only spend part of the weekend with you. A lot of their time they'll be playing with their friends. When they do, you get to work. If, while you're working, the kids ask you to have a catch or whatnot, by all means stop and play. You can get an awful lot done in the meantime, though. How much does your practice plan vary? I'm the DC so I write the practice plan for our defensive day (Wednesday). I wrote up a plan in Word (Well, Open Office). Once we get into the season, often making our plan involves changing the date. "Writing" the plan takes about 15 minutes. Scripts are hard but that's because it takes a lot of thought, not because it's time consuming. Again, we have a template. Takes maybe an hour. As somebody earlier, work smarter not harder. Kids r still young. 5 n 3. I'm the OC. Practice plans don't change a whole lot but we do tweak things as the season goes. We r 2 platoon so there's a lot of time that needs to be organized. Scripting is what takes the most time. Typically I script between 40-50 plays a day between run, perimeter n team. Long time ago we didn't script but to me then u will always miss something that was part of the gameplan. I have all the templates I need. We use Microsoft OneDrive now. Allows us to send plans to each other n change things as we go. I also can make small changes on my phone if needed. Thanks for the advice. As Saban just said we r always looking for a better way to do things. That's why we have been as successful as we have been. "Embrace the Grind! Love the Struggle"
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Post by fantom on Feb 20, 2016 21:58:03 GMT -6
You're a young buck now but you won't be forever. Not sure how old your kids are. I also spent a lot of time with mine but kids really only spend part of the weekend with you. A lot of their time they'll be playing with their friends. When they do, you get to work. If, while you're working, the kids ask you to have a catch or whatnot, by all means stop and play. You can get an awful lot done in the meantime, though. How much does your practice plan vary? I'm the DC so I write the practice plan for our defensive day (Wednesday). I wrote up a plan in Word (Well, Open Office). Once we get into the season, often making our plan involves changing the date. "Writing" the plan takes about 15 minutes. Scripts are hard but that's because it takes a lot of thought, not because it's time consuming. Again, we have a template. Takes maybe an hour. As somebody earlier, work smarter not harder. Kids r still young. 5 n 3. I'm the OC. Practice plans don't change a whole lot but we do tweak things as the season goes. We r 2 platoon so there's a lot of time that needs to be organized. Scripting is what takes the most time. Typically I script between 40-50 plays a day between run, perimeter n team. Long time ago we didn't script but to me then u will always miss something that was part of the gameplan. I have all the templates I need. We use Microsoft OneDrive now. Allows us to send plans to each other n change things as we go. I also can make small changes on my phone if needed. Thanks for the advice. As Saban just said we r always looking for a better way to do things. That's why we have been as successful as we have been. "Embrace the Grind! Love the Struggle" Scripting, to me, is the most important thing that you do all week.
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Post by coachcb on Feb 21, 2016 12:57:31 GMT -6
For me, it was never about the time spent during the week. The struggle was losing so much family time during the weekend because we were watching and doing other things during those two days.
To be blunt, being a "grinder" can not only be ineffective but it can be detrimental if you're not smart about what you're doing.
In one gig, we'd plug through a mountain of film and make "adjustments" as we "game planned". Those "adjustments" were often scheme "wrinkles" that were a complete departure from what we were doing on offense and defense.For example, we were a 3-3 team but ended up adding new blitzes or coverages every week in response to what we were seeing on film. We saw a good Mazzone style "spread team" once and decided that we needed to get a better pass rush with "blitzes they hadn't seen". We got mauled because we were awful a) we were never any good at any of our blitzes and b) we weren't fundamentally sound because we spent half of our practice time installing new stuff. We were a "multiple" offense (grab bag..) and figured that we needed to install a 5 wide package to "finesse" them more...
Now, this is an isolated example and I've coached in two very good programs where we poured over mountains of film and won games. But, in the end, you just need to streamline the process so you can be efficient for your sanity and avoid what I described above.
But, this is also coming from the guy who had an ex-wife who was SO mad at me for spending so much time watching film that she backed out of the drive way like a bat-out-of-hell one night and took the side view mirror off of my car. HA!
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Post by mariner42 on Feb 21, 2016 15:04:54 GMT -6
For me, it was never about the time spent during the week. The struggle was losing so much family time during the weekend because we were watching and doing other things during those two days. To be blunt, being a "grinder" can not only be ineffective but it can be detrimental if you're not smart about what you're doing. In one gig, we'd plug through a mountain of film and make "adjustments" as we "game planned". Those "adjustments" were often scheme "wrinkles" that were a complete departure from what we were doing on offense and defense.For example, we were a 3-3 team but ended up adding new blitzes or coverages every week in response to what we were seeing on film. We saw a good Mazzone style "spread team" once and decided that we needed to get a better pass rush with "blitzes they hadn't seen". We got mauled because we were awful a) we were never any good at any of our blitzes and b) we weren't fundamentally sound because we spent half of our practice time installing new stuff. We were a "multiple" offense (grab bag..) and figured that we needed to install a 5 wide package to "finesse" them more... Now, this is an isolated example and I've coached in two very good programs where we poured over mountains of film and won games. But, in the end, you just need to streamline the process so you can be efficient for your sanity and avoid what I described above. But, this is also coming from the guy who had an ex-wife who was SO mad at me for spending so much time watching film that she backed out of the drive way like a bat-out-of-hell one night and took the side view mirror off of my car. HA! Guy I know is an absolute madman. He would say and do things that would make you scratch your head and wonder if someone is telling you fairy tales. One week he didn't sleep from Weds to game time Friday night because he was so obsessed with coming up with the perfect play to beat the opposition. Not surprisingly, they lost after some pretty weird decision making on his end. He's an extreme case, but he's a good reminder, too.
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Post by coachklee on Feb 21, 2016 15:22:03 GMT -6
For me, it was never about the time spent during the week. The struggle was losing so much family time during the weekend because we were watching and doing other things during those two days. To be blunt, being a "grinder" can not only be ineffective but it can be detrimental if you're not smart about what you're doing. In one gig, we'd plug through a mountain of film and make "adjustments" as we "game planned". Those "adjustments" were often scheme "wrinkles" that were a complete departure from what we were doing on offense and defense.For example, we were a 3-3 team but ended up adding new blitzes or coverages every week in response to what we were seeing on film. We saw a good Mazzone style "spread team" once and decided that we needed to get a better pass rush with "blitzes they hadn't seen". We got mauled because we were awful a) we were never any good at any of our blitzes and b) we weren't fundamentally sound because we spent half of our practice time installing new stuff. We were a "multiple" offense (grab bag..) and figured that we needed to install a 5 wide package to "finesse" them more... Now, this is an isolated example and I've coached in two very good programs where we poured over mountains of film and won games. But, in the end, you just need to streamline the process so you can be efficient for your sanity and avoid what I described above. But, this is also coming from the guy who had an ex-wife who was SO mad at me for spending so much time watching film that she backed out of the drive way like a bat-out-of-hell one night and took the side view mirror off of my car. HA! Guy I know is an absolute madman. He would say and do things that would make you scratch your head and wonder if someone is telling you fairy tales. One week he didn't sleep from Weds to game time Friday night because he was so obsessed with coming up with the perfect play to beat the opposition. Not surprisingly, they lost after some pretty weird decision making on his end. He's an extreme case, but he's a good reminder, too. I can't understand the extra film watching anytime after Monday night & especially Tuesday for the current week. I'm the DC and feel like I can't watch enough film up to early Tuesday morning when I finalize the team defense script. By the end of practice on Tuesday we are basically set because that is our heaviest team D day. Wednesday is either flip the direction of everything in the script and/or focus on plays that we had issues with during team. By Wednesday evening, the heavy work is done, the "hay is either in the barn or it was never going to get there anyways" & the only film watching that is worthwhile is getting a jump in next week!
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Post by fantom on Feb 21, 2016 16:07:53 GMT -6
Guy I know is an absolute madman. He would say and do things that would make you scratch your head and wonder if someone is telling you fairy tales. One week he didn't sleep from Weds to game time Friday night because he was so obsessed with coming up with the perfect play to beat the opposition. Not surprisingly, they lost after some pretty weird decision making on his end. He's an extreme case, but he's a good reminder, too. I can't understand the extra film watching anytime after Monday night & especially Tuesday for the current week. I'm the DC and feel like I can't watch enough film up to early Tuesday morning when I finalize the team defense script. By the end of practice on Tuesday we are basically set because that is our heaviest team D day. Wednesday is either flip the direction of everything in the script and/or focus on plays that we had issues with during team. By Wednesday evening, the heavy work is done, the "hay is either in the barn or it was never going to get there anyways" & the only film watching that is worthwhile is getting a jump in next week! Pretty much the same here. Sometimes on game day I'll look at the situational cutups.
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Post by blb on Feb 21, 2016 16:20:15 GMT -6
If you are a "grinder" who spends an inordinate amount of time working on Football as a HS coach instead of family and taking care of yourself physically including sleep -
a) You will die sooner, and
b) perhaps alone.
Either way it will not be worth it and if you have time to realize it before pushing up the daisies, you will regret it.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Feb 22, 2016 7:02:17 GMT -6
We will watch some film after practice during the week.
It's not too much, and our practices tend to be short, so the extra time doesn't really add up too much.
For me (DBs/HC) I make a scout reel that may be 10-20 clips, depending on our opponent's offense. I show 2 clips of each of the pass concepts and/or run game concepts that are different than we normally see. Sometimes the film is so short we'll watch before a Tuesday practice for about 15mins. Sometimes it's a little longer and we'll watch ONCE after practice on Tuesday.
With HUDL and Trust in your staff there is little need to meet for more than 2hrs total on a weekend. When we meet, we never come together as an entire staff- we divide up offense and defense immediately and will go over some stuff. We DON'T watch film together- the expectation is that they have watched Friday's game AND the scout films on their time Saturday/Sunday morning early.
I HATED watching film as a staff- I think I would do this again if I had a bunch of young guys who needed to learn how to watch film but in my current situation we do it on our own. Group texts and a brief phone call to each coordinator has the gameplan wrapped up by Sunday evening. Monday we watch film as a team, and then each staff will stay for about an hour afterwards to wrap up practice plans/loose ends.
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Post by coachcb on Feb 22, 2016 10:18:00 GMT -6
You also need to learn to make things a priority. Each position coach can watch HUDL film on Sunday, grade his guys out (again + or -) and then jot down notes on what they need to go over with the kids. A younger coach will need some help with this as they probably don't know WHAT they need to fix if things are getting screwed up but they need to ask for the help. Plus, you coach long enough and you generally see where most of the mistakes are being made during a game, assuming your staff is paying attention to what is going on. But, again, this takes an eye for detail that needs to be learned.
Breaking down an opponent shouldn't take you more than four hours, total. Watch for personnel mismatches, get your D&D tendencies down on paper and make your scout cards are done. BUT, make sure you have your scout cards in front of you from a similar team so that you can just photo copy it, toss it in the book for the week and call it good. I personally don't care about field/boundary or field position tendencies because it's common sense (They want to run Stretch to the wide side? No chit?) and what they do in terms of yard-line position is going to change what they will change based on their own game plan. Our game plan on either side of the ball doesn't change much from week to week.
Once again, this is where having a simple, sound scheme will come into play. To be blunt, we either know EXACTLY how a team is going to play against us or we have no idea, at all. Either way, being fundamentally sound solves that.
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