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Post by s73 on Jan 28, 2016 7:01:19 GMT -6
We are a smaller school who has a TON of kids playing both ways. As a result, in order for me to get everything done at practice that I feel needs to get done, film watching with our kids tends to suffer. We always set up film for kids to watch on their own at home and try to monitor and hold them as accountable as we can.
With that said, those of you who are in a similar situation, how do you set up watching film with your kids throughout the week? What does that look like?
Thanks.
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Post by coachgtiller on Jan 28, 2016 7:45:33 GMT -6
We bring Offensive starters in on Tuesday after practice to watch that days practice. Then we do the same on Wednesday with the defensive starters. And we have a ton of two way guys so most kids were staying both days, we but we always split the kids up into position groups and each position coach leads their own film. This makes it go much faster. But whichever side we want to watch that day, we'll begin practice with that side of the ball. This allows us to get film uploaded to HUDL soon enough to watch it that evening. The kids that watch film usually stayed an extra 15-20 minutes so it's really not terrible on them.
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Post by coachgtiller on Jan 28, 2016 7:47:23 GMT -6
www.sportscopevideo.com/quick-scope-11-ft.phpThis thing is awesome for filming practice. I know it says its like $1700 but if you already have an EZ tower with a monitor and camera, then all you need is the pole and I think they charged us like $300 for that. But it makes filming practice a breeze. We usually had a manager or injured player do it for us.
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Post by bluboy on Jan 28, 2016 7:48:02 GMT -6
Before HUDL, we would watch film as a team(the guys who play) after practice Tues. and Wed. Now that we are on HUDL, we watch film of our opponent on Wed. after practice. Offensive line, offensive skill players, defense are in separate rooms. Our kids will watch a ton of film on their own(every starter/backup is sent copies of all scout video) Defensive guys get the opponent's offensive cutups and kicking game.. One thing that helps us is that after the video is tagged, one of the defensive staff goes back through the video and puts notes right on the video. The kids are told, more or less, what to look for or what is a special key.
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Post by wolfden12 on Jan 28, 2016 7:51:50 GMT -6
Film is no more than 20 minutes for us because the majority of kids lose attention. Heard that from DJ Durkin (HC - Maryland) when he was at Michigan.
Wednesday - pre-practice 20 minutes - offense/defense post-practice 20 minutes - defense
Sunday - 15 minutes of upcoming opponent game (straight run through)
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Post by agap on Jan 28, 2016 7:53:43 GMT -6
We watch film on Mondays and Thursdays before practice. We'll also watch other times before school or after practice.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Jan 28, 2016 7:55:33 GMT -6
I'm looking at doing film Monday before practice. Normally we lift Monday but I'm going to move that. They key is to create cut ups of what we'll see for them to see.
Our O: What front/cov will we see vs our diff pers groups and formations. I label those at the top of the play.
Our D: What formations and runs/passes will we see- label them w the proper check.
KG: 1 KO, 1 Punt, 1 PBR, 1 KOR for them to see.
Now you've cut it down to 25 clips or so you can watch 3-4 times a piece vs clicking through the whole darn game.
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Post by fcboiler87 on Jan 28, 2016 8:03:03 GMT -6
Haven't seen it on here yet but I know of a fair amount of teams around here that watch film on Saturday morning and then Monday after school of the upcoming opponent.
We do not do that, as I do not believe in bringing kids in on the weekend to give them some time off and keep them fresher. I am the only teacher that coaches here so our practice time doesn't start until 4 to make sure all lay coaches can get there. It allows us time to watch film after school. We watch previous week's film on Monday for 20 (10 O, 10 D) and the upcoming opponent on Tuesday, again 10 O, 10 D. Like someone mentioned above I subscribe to the no more than 20 minutes at a time philosophy. I think it worked well for us.
I do film cut ups and playlists that I send out via hudl. Some kids watch them and some kids don't. Of course we'd like all our athletes to watch but it's just one battle I've chosen not to fight and hope those kids get it out of the time we have together.
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Post by coachg13 on Jan 28, 2016 8:54:37 GMT -6
We are a tiny tiny school. Had 30 on the team this year grades 9-12.
We spend probably more time watching film that most teams do, but I believe it pays off. We practice on the field for 1 hr 45 mins Monday-Wednesday, and Thursday is a perfect day normally an hour.
Monday: Lift last period. Film of previous Friday nights game at 4 pm. Practice from 5-6:45. Tuesday: Watch Monday's practice film and week's opponent offense last period. Practice from 5-6:45 Wednesday: Lift last period. Film of Tuesday's practice and opponents defense at 4 pm. Practice from 5-6:45. Thursday: Watch Wed practice opponent film. Practice 2:45-3:45 Friday: Watch opponent last period.
Our guys had never watched film before I got here this year. After first spring practice we filmed our next practice was how to watch film correctly. Blew their mind but they began to love it. We also put it up on HUDL so they can watch on their own. By the end of season you have kids start to bring you there phone with plays pulled up asking questions. Love it.
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Post by groundchuck on Jan 28, 2016 9:55:34 GMT -6
We watch video Monday and Thursday. We will also watch Tuesday or Wednesday if need be. We want our players to watch on their own too. That is part of the deal with Hudl. Watch on your own and we will track it. My DC and I are very good about making short play lists that take a few minutes to watch. The excuse "I didn't have time" really doesn't fly since they all have iPads.
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Post by pvogel on Jan 28, 2016 10:07:45 GMT -6
Saturdays. Gotta use Saturday.
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Post by natenator on Jan 28, 2016 10:22:12 GMT -6
We watch video Monday and Thursday. We will also watch Tuesday or Wednesday if need be. We want our players to watch on their own too. That is part of the deal with Hudl. Watch on your own and we will track it. My DC and I are very good about making short play lists that take a few minutes to watch. The excuse "I didn't have time" really doesn't fly since they all have iPads. And they are 10 second clips. I can watch all the offensive plays from an opponents game while on the sh!tter
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Post by td4tc on Jan 28, 2016 10:52:08 GMT -6
We got lazy on team game film this year because of a weird schedule. It wasn't until we got focused on a dedicated film session this season that we got better. It was a real wake up call for me. Amazing difference. Won't let that EVER happen again. Doesn't have to be long. Just some key plays.
At the next level with practice film we tend to "coach it on film" and not "waste time" on the field. I disagree with that strongly at the HS level. Just like a good dog gotta tell em NOW what they are doing right or wrong. Tell em on the way to the huddle. Not sure how everyone feels about that or how many film practice in HS but not sure I like the "wait and coach it on film" idea. Any thots?
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Post by funkfriss on Jan 28, 2016 11:25:11 GMT -6
Coordinators watch Friday night's film and opp. scout films on Saturday/Sunday and insert comments as needed. On Monday we watch film, but only the plays we commented on. HATE, HATE, HATE throwing on film and watching it straight through. No better way to get a group of kids distracted/spacing off. We start w/ STs (usually about 5-6 plays), then go to Offense (10-15 plays), then Defense (10-15 plays). Takes about 15-20 minutes and we're done. Tell kids if they want to watch the game they all have Hudl. Can't understand for the life of me how some kids (about half of ours) don't watch the games AT ALL when they are all available any time they want. But I digress....
We only show opponent film if needed, usually only if they do something drastically different from what we've seen before (option, formation changes, etc.) or if there is something they do that we want to emphasize or take advantage of (carrying the ball loose for fumble opportunities, poor pass protection, QB who always scrambles, etc.).
We film every group/team practice session. I watch these every night and if there is something I find that needs addressing, basically we're screwing up the same things over and over, we'll watch film the next day before practice.
Not saying it's wrong or right, but we limit the amount of tape we watch. I've heard other successful coaches swear their success is due to them watching more film. To each his own.
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Post by funkfriss on Jan 28, 2016 11:31:27 GMT -6
We got lazy on team game film this year because of a weird schedule. It wasn't until we got focused on a dedicated film session this season that we got better. It was a real wake up call for me. Amazing difference. Won't let that EVER happen again. Doesn't have to be long. Just some key plays. At the next level with practice film we tend to "coach it on film" and not "waste time" on the field. I disagree with that strongly at the HS level. Just like a good dog gotta tell em NOW what they are doing right or wrong. Tell em on the way to the huddle. Not sure how everyone feels about that or how many film practice in HS but not sure I like the "wait and coach it on film" idea. Any thots? I think both on field and film are needed in high school. Something about the 14-18 year old brain but I know for a fact I wouldn't want a teenager as my key eye witness in court. I can't count the number of times a kid has argued with me, swearing that he didn't take the wrong steps, or didn't read his blocks right, or didn't allow receivers behind him in coverage only for me to bring up the film and make his see with his own eyes that he was wrong.
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Post by td4tc on Jan 28, 2016 11:54:21 GMT -6
True enough coach but we don't film practices. As my older mentor used to say, "Film don't lie".
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Post by jg78 on Jan 28, 2016 12:08:54 GMT -6
I like to spend Monday before practice watching our film from the previous games. Takes 30 minutes max. On Tuesday before practice I like to watching film on our upcoming opponent. Also takes about 30 minutes.
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Post by WingTheT on Jan 28, 2016 13:19:17 GMT -6
Take about 15-20 mins before to do offense and/or take 15-20 after practice to do defense. Find another day to drill ST and add/remove based on need.
Also, we make our kids watch films on certain days during WT class whenever we have them lift in the mornings. School I used to be at was on block schedule so certain days had our WT class RIGHT after lunch which did not end well for lifting days.
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Post by lions23 on Jan 28, 2016 19:55:23 GMT -6
Monday during season line lifts and skills watch Friday film for about 35 minutes. Then we flip.
We preview top formations and top 3 run and pass right off of the hudl summary report.
Tues and Wednesday we watch more of Friday's opponent for about 20 minutes. I usually show tendencies right from hudl report.
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Post by s73 on Jan 28, 2016 19:59:11 GMT -6
One of the solutions I am coming up with is arranging film on Mondays during lunch hours. I usually have that time free.
Anybody else do this?
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Post by jsk002 on Jan 29, 2016 7:44:44 GMT -6
s73 - I am in a comparable situation as you. Small team - most of my guys play both ways. In a given year we can play up-to 40% of our games on Saturday. Saturday AM isn't always an option for us. We play our JV games on Monday - so we typically lift and film with Varsity. We will split our our kids into the front 7 and back four. Our Front 7 guys will watch 30 minutes of D in one room, and the back four will watch 30 minutes of offense. We then switch and have the front 7 watch O and the back 4 watch D. It works well for us.
Early in the season we film practice, and make time to watch it. Once the season is rolling we scale that back a little.
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Post by center on Jan 29, 2016 9:00:07 GMT -6
I will say that you need to be careful with having kids watch opponent film. They are horrible judges of another team on film. They usually underestimate an opponent badly or get really intimidated by another teams stud, but rarely get a good read on an opponent themselves.
I think the on the field stuff is the real key to prepping for an opponent.
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Post by s73 on Jan 29, 2016 10:28:31 GMT -6
I will say that you need to be careful with having kids watch opponent film. They are horrible judges of another team on film. They usually underestimate an opponent badly or get really intimidated by another teams stud, but rarely get a good read on an opponent themselves. I think the on the field stuff is the real key to prepping for an opponent. I agree w/ you. Have felt that way myself. I think the thing I've taken from this thread more than anything is limiting the clips you have kids watch to 10-15. I think kids are more likely to watch that and get something out of it. It's funny, after 21 years of coaching & watching film, I realize I know how to watch film but I am still learning how to effectively use hudl. Cutting it up & packaging it by position seems the way to go.
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Post by coachorm on Jan 29, 2016 10:33:41 GMT -6
We meet as Coaches on Sunday from 2pm-3pm. Players then come in at 3pm and we watch previous game film and film of the next opponent with them until about 5pm. Thats it. We spend about an hour and a half on our game film and watch most of it. We spend about thirty minutes on the next opponent to show them primary alignments and favorite plays. Other than that we remind them to watch hudl on their own and watch any position coach cutups and notes we have for them on there.
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Post by lions23 on Jan 29, 2016 10:48:41 GMT -6
You can set up scout clips and send them to coaches or players on hudl.
The easiest way to look at Opponent's O scout imo is to just got your reports from the data entry. You can click on all the 1 and 10 plays or 3rd and long. You can click on a play or on a formation. However you want to simplify it for kids. I find this way to be most effective. Then I teach kids to watch film this way.
I find if you present the field in a way it is going to help kids get lined up or make their calls it is more effective. When we watch the film the safeties and LBers have to make their calls.
Once we have some tendencies presented to kids then we make kids start shouting out what they think is coming. We make a game of it. Or shout out your responsibility. If you put kids in a dark room and talk to them they are going to fall asleep.
It's all in how you present info. You have to be a teacher in the film room. Figure out ways to get kids engaged.
Make the kids watch their keys and make their calls. Otherwise they will just watch the ball.
There are tons of mental reps that can be taken the film room that will make your kids react faster without beating on them at practice.
Our LBers this year were so beat up or sick all year they almost exclusively got their reps is the film room. We couldn't have win without them and the film some weeks.
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Post by vicvinegar on Jan 29, 2016 10:59:40 GMT -6
We are a tiny tiny school. Had 30 on the team this year grades 9-12. We spend probably more time watching film that most teams do, but I believe it pays off. We practice on the field for 1 hr 45 mins Monday-Wednesday, and Thursday is a perfect day normally an hour. Monday: Lift last period. Film of previous Friday nights game at 4 pm. Practice from 5-6:45. Tuesday: Watch Monday's practice film and week's opponent offense last period. Practice from 5-6:45 Wednesday: Lift last period. Film of Tuesday's practice and opponents defense at 4 pm. Practice from 5-6:45. Thursday: Watch Wed practice opponent film. Practice 2:45-3:45 Friday: Watch opponent last period. Our guys had never watched film before I got here this year. After first spring practice we filmed our next practice was how to watch film correctly. Blew their mind but they began to love it. We also put it up on HUDL so they can watch on their own. By the end of season you have kids start to bring you there phone with plays pulled up asking questions. Love it. So do you have all of your players the last period? I've heard of schools doing this, but never been at one. Is this labeled a football class? Does it just count as a typical PE credit for the student? I assume they signup for the class in the spring, what if a player quits mid-summer, is he removed from the class? I assume you wouldn't want regular students/players that quick sitting in on film.
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Post by groundchuck on Jan 29, 2016 11:16:30 GMT -6
I will say that you need to be careful with having kids watch opponent film. They are horrible judges of another team on film. They usually underestimate an opponent badly or get really intimidated by another teams stud, but rarely get a good read on an opponent themselves. I think the on the field stuff is the real key to prepping for an opponent. Agree to a great extent. If the team we are playing is really bad (which rarely happens). We were in this situation to open the season and exchanged scrimmage films. I edited the playlist and only showed the plays in which our opponent gained yards or stopped the other team. I never let them see the fumbles, bumbles, and stumbles.
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Post by coachg13 on Jan 29, 2016 11:24:12 GMT -6
So do you have all of your players the last period? I've heard of schools doing this, but never been at one. Is this labeled a football class? Does it just count as a typical PE credit for the student? I assume they signup for the class in the spring, what if a player quits mid-summer, is he removed from the class? I assume you wouldn't want regular students/players that quick sitting in on film. It counts as an elective class. We do not have PE in the high school where I am. In the fall - it is explained to parents that if they want to be in the class they will lift and watch film, regardless of whether or not they play football. Once football season over, it basically turns into a weight lifting class - you don't lift, you're looking for another elective. Ours takes care of itself and we are a little different in some respects. We have 30 out of 33 eligible males in the high school playing football. So there's basically nobody who doesn't. The old school I was at, if you quit or didn't play football, you were expected to participate fully in all activities or you would be removed from the class.
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Post by spartandefense on Jan 29, 2016 12:50:09 GMT -6
Few Ideas:
Film should be 10-15 mins (as previously mentioned). After that kids lose focus.
Make play lists in hudl. Top 5 Runs, Top 3 Passes. Tricks. Funky formations. Keep it simple. Encourage them to watch on their own time. If they aren't give out gatorates to kids that do. This is easy to track on hudl.
Film practice. Ipads work great for this. We have injured kid stand behind Offense and one kid in stands. I would say seeing your kids screw up reads or fits against the scout team is more important than watching film of the opposing team. Showing your guys making mistakes in practice is also powerful. WHen kids watch film of other teams they tend to watch the ball etc or the highlight plays.
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Post by nhs40 on Jan 29, 2016 12:55:10 GMT -6
We are a small school, with lots of 2-way players (6-8 depending on the game this last season). Our school lets out at 2:40, and all of my assistants are not teachers. Therefore, I give the players 10 minutes to go see their girlfriends, hit the restroom, text all their buddies, etc. and then meet in my room at 2:50. We watch film until about 3:05 or so, then go to our lockerroom, change, and practice. We get 3 trade films, so we watch one each day. We use Saturdays for our games (unless we give them that Saturday off).
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