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Post by natenator on Jan 20, 2016 10:32:09 GMT -6
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Post by silkyice on Jan 20, 2016 10:43:48 GMT -6
He says he regrets playing football because he could still be playing baseball. He got drafted in the 14th round in baseball. So some (or most) of the regret is the fact that he could still be playing sports and possibly even lost revenue.
I wonder if he would have chosen baseball and never made the big leagues, would he then regret not playing football?
Or if his option was just to be a regular Joe or play NFL football and make all that money and get all that fame what his choices or regrets would be.
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Post by groundchuck on Jan 20, 2016 10:49:17 GMT -6
Oh We-El. He can think what he wants. Of course the headline is sensationalized. When will it stop? I hope it stops soon and the pendulum swings back to normal, rational thought once again.
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Post by fantom on Jan 20, 2016 10:58:14 GMT -6
He says he regrets playing football because he could still be playing baseball. He got drafted in the 14th round in baseball. So some (or most) of the regret is the fact that he could still be playing sports and possibly even lost revenue. I wonder if he would have chosen baseball and never made the big leagues, would he then regret not playing football? Or if his option was just to be a regular Joe or play NFL football and make all that money and get all that fame what his choices or regrets would be. Most guys who got drafted in the 14th round are coaching HS baseball when they're 36.
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Post by silkyice on Jan 20, 2016 11:09:58 GMT -6
He says he regrets playing football because he could still be playing baseball. He got drafted in the 14th round in baseball. So some (or most) of the regret is the fact that he could still be playing sports and possibly even lost revenue. I wonder if he would have chosen baseball and never made the big leagues, would he then regret not playing football? Or if his option was just to be a regular Joe or play NFL football and make all that money and get all that fame what his choices or regrets would be. Most guys who got drafted in the 14th round are coaching HS baseball when they're 36. Yep. But they all think the will be Hall of Famers. Especially the ones that don't even try it.
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Post by dytmook on Jan 20, 2016 13:26:45 GMT -6
Let's interview the 1000's of guys who don't regret playing in the league. Good for him but we all make choices we 'regret' later. Just ask me after a taco bar.
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Post by tekart on Jan 20, 2016 14:02:09 GMT -6
There are a lot of guys working 9-5 in a factory somewhere that have a tough time getting down the stairs too and they were not compensated nearly as well.
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Post by coachfloyd on Jan 20, 2016 14:14:16 GMT -6
There are a lot of guys working 9-5 in a factory somewhere that have a tough time getting down the stairs too and they were not compensated nearly as well. I was thinking the same thing. I have trouble getting down the stairs now at 36. Maybe its because he hasn't paid any attention to his mobility work since getting out of the NFL? At least thats my problem. And also the old lady's at the church. He said something about doing everything right and still becoming a paraplegic. Really? Becoming a paraplegic has to do with axial loading of the spine. Thats not doing everything right. I know more paraplegic cheerleaders than I do football players and there are way more people participating in football Im willing to bet. Nobody is saying get rid of cheerleading. Its insane. There are alot of people whos bodies hurt when they are old because they played sports. Its called getting friggin old. We had a kid early this year die from riding his dirt bike in the road. From the CDC...During 2003, among persons aged <19 years, at least 245 died and an estimated 56,870 were treated in U.S. hospital emergency departments (EDs) for injuries sustained while riding a motorcycle (1) Why is that not in the news? More people die in one year riding motorcycles than in 20 years in football. Researchers reviewed data from the National Center for Catastrophic Sports Injury Research and found 243 football deaths recorded between July 1990 and June 2010. One hundred of the fatalities resulted from an underlying heart condition, 62 were due to a brain injury - typically a subdural hematoma - and 38 were from heat-related causes, according to findings published in The American Journal of Sports Medicine. Kelly Dougherty, an assistant professor of pediatrics at the University of Pennsylvania Perelman School of Medicine, said she found the number of heat-related deaths in particular "quite alarming." Most were heat related. I wonder how many of those were from kids not eating before practice? Most of those deaths can be prevented with common sense.
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Post by brophy on Jan 20, 2016 14:27:41 GMT -6
he's entitled to his opinion. Like my dad used to tell me, "I've been young, but you've never been old". There isn't any way to really understand what the experience of age brings when you're growing up.
Randle El's position is a mixed bag, but ultimately football, per se, isn't the issue, its what your body has to go through that determines your quality of life. If you beat on your body for explosive world-class performance 30 - 40 weeks out of the year, I think you're going to pay for it. Couple that with the car crashes you would experience 70 times on Sunday for 20 weeks and you're doing something the body wasn't made for. The NFL players have to weigh just how badly they want to endure the grind of remaining a relevant commodity on a week-to-week basis
I'm not discounting these veteran player's gripes or issues with brain damage, just that what Antwaan brings up here (like Jerome Bettis was notorious for complaining about) was how beat up they've gotten.
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Post by leighty on Jan 20, 2016 15:33:33 GMT -6
One glaring omission from that article is how many concussions Randle El was diagnosed with during his playing career. There's not even a number of how many he thought he sustained.
I've no doubt there's a link between concussions and sub-concussive hits and CTE, dementia, etc., but you'd think the Washington Post would write a better article.
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Post by wingtol on Jan 20, 2016 16:02:26 GMT -6
They always seem to leave out of these articles the things guys do to stay on the field or how they are rushed back/allowed back before they should be. Then of course the "football is evil" crowd goes nuts over how bad the game is for you! I always laughed when you would see stuff in the NFL like...Wes Welker sustained a concussion Sunday then before the next game they announce he would play. It's amazing how that kind of stuff is never brought up. Or how many injections they take to get on the field or pain killers whatever. And I get it guys want to play, don't want to lose their job, all that but own your actions.
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Post by coachcb on Jan 20, 2016 16:45:03 GMT -6
He's entitled to his opinion, I'll grant him that.
But, it was his choice to stay in the league for as long as he did and get chewed up. There are many NFL players that are talking about the severity of their injuries after their career ends but, again, it was their choice to keep playing. They had the opportunity to retire as very wealthy young men once they started to have problems but they didn't take it.
I understand having a love for the game and wanting to play as long as you can. But, that's with the understanding that you're going to walk out of the game with the physical ailments of a much older person.
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Post by silkyice on Jan 20, 2016 18:03:21 GMT -6
Not every NFL player is like this. I would bet most aren't. I would also bet that there are some financial incentives right now to claim that you you are injured.
I coach with a 9 year NFL veteran who played defensive line. I worked out with him today and played bball with him Sunday night. He looks like he could still play. He is 46.
I coached with a 5 year NFL veteran LB a couple of years ago. He was in incredible shape. He is in his 40's. He
I know a another ex-NFL LB from the 70's. He is a super successful business man.
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Post by coachklee on Jan 20, 2016 18:20:07 GMT -6
And when you look up careers of many players from earlier in the NFL they tended to all be shorter than today. Not sure how the mean or median career lengths compare, but maybe players already understood that purposely getting involved in multiple car crashes 14-16 weeks a year was taking its toll on their bodies.
As an unfortunate lifetime Lions fan, I've really come to appreciate the career Barry Sanders had & understand that choosing to walk away probably was a conscious decision to ensure his quality for over half of the rest of his life was as high as possible.
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Post by 19delta on Jan 20, 2016 19:49:03 GMT -6
Let's interview the 1000's of guys who don't regret playing in the league. Good for him but we all make choices we 'regret' later. Just ask me after a taco bar. That's great... I just found my new sig...
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Post by georgefred86 on Jan 21, 2016 0:08:34 GMT -6
The concussion issue isn't going away anytime soon ... there is way too much money to be made by lawyers attacking a billion dollar industry. Listening to Mike and Mike this morning, Golic nailed it ... let's hear from a study from football players that stopped playing the game after high school, which is 94% of us by the way. How many of us have issues or a limited quality of life because we played the game of football. CTE and the tragedies attached with it are almost 100% of former NFL players, at least from what is reported on from the media.
Also, let's take in consideration the lifestyles of these men ... is the cause of their low quality of life strictly to the game itself or the reckless behavior of these men outside of the game of football? And for those that believe football is too violent and should be abolished, then why aren't folks asking for the end of boxing, MMA, rugby, etc? It is all about the almighty dollar and attacking a sport that dominates the sports world and makes billions of dollars in the United States.
If young males do not have the opportunity to play the game of football, they will still find a way to be reckless and put themselves at risk ... we are men, we are filled with testosterone and will always participate in reckless, dumb a$$ sh!t! That's what makes us who we are ... and so the answer for those football haters is to take away OUR game which teaches them life lessons and what it means to be part of something greater than themselves! Are you kidding me??!!
The world we live in no longer has balance or requires self accountability ... it is always someone else's fault for their own failures or their own hardships. I sure hope at some point in my lifetime this discussion gets put to rest and the media and the lawyers find another sport to attack because there is no greater sport then OUR GAME. Until then, we need to continue to sell our sport by being proactive and being the best ambassadors of our sport so our young men and their parents realize that the benefits of this great game far outweigh the risks involved. WE FIGHT, WE WIN!!!!
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Post by blb on Jan 21, 2016 7:11:06 GMT -6
Randle-El did a 180 yesterday on his previous comments.
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Post by wheels1284 on Jan 21, 2016 7:40:12 GMT -6
I bet you'll hear all about that in the media.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Jan 21, 2016 7:41:17 GMT -6
He says he regrets playing football because he could still be playing baseball. He got drafted in the 14th round in baseball. So some (or most) of the regret is the fact that he could still be playing sports and possibly even lost revenue. I wonder if he would have chosen baseball and never made the big leagues, would he then regret not playing football? Or if his option was just to be a regular Joe or play NFL football and make all that money and get all that fame what his choices or regrets would be. Most guys who got drafted in the 14th round are coaching HS baseball when they're 36. Exactly. I worked in MLB as a strength coach- this is VERY TRUE of anyone past 7th round! The minor leagues are chock-full of dudes who EVERYONE knows will never make it to the majors. They fill spots so that 1 18yr old Venezuelan pitching prospect has a team surrounding him to play games in Low A Ball. The money he made in the NFL is WAY better than what he would have made farting around in the minors for 10 years.
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Post by silkyice on Jan 21, 2016 9:44:12 GMT -6
Most guys who got drafted in the 14th round are coaching HS baseball when they're 36. Exactly. I worked in MLB as a strength coach- this is VERY TRUE of anyone past 7th round! The minor leagues are chock-full of dudes who EVERYONE knows will never make it to the majors. They fill spots so that 1 18yr old Venezuelan pitching prospect has a team surrounding him to play games in Low A Ball. The money he made in the NFL is WAY better than what he would have made farting around in the minors for 10 years. How am I now just finding out that you were a MLB strength coach? I have been privileged to coach two guys in football that got drafted in baseball. One actually made it to the show and is pitching. They were great athletes and LOVED the weight room. Start a new thread and let's get going!
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Jan 21, 2016 10:01:45 GMT -6
Exactly. I worked in MLB as a strength coach- this is VERY TRUE of anyone past 7th round! The minor leagues are chock-full of dudes who EVERYONE knows will never make it to the majors. They fill spots so that 1 18yr old Venezuelan pitching prospect has a team surrounding him to play games in Low A Ball. The money he made in the NFL is WAY better than what he would have made farting around in the minors for 10 years. How am I now just finding out that you were a MLB strength coach? I have been privileged to coach two guys in football that got drafted in baseball. One actually made it to the show and is pitching. They were great athletes and LOVED the weight room. Start a new thread and let's get going! Anything you want to know let me know. Either PM or email me
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Post by coachnewman on Jan 21, 2016 13:11:17 GMT -6
Lets compare the money for Mr.-El
NFL Pitt (1) - Bonus $935,000 Skins - 7 yr $31 Million ($11.5 million in Bonuses) Pitt (2) - 3 Yr $7 million ($900,000 sign bonus)
MLB 14th Rd 2002 (at the best to keep him from football $500,000??)*will not get anything better until a major league contract, if he made it.
I do not see where he regrets the money he made? I understand what he is saying now with being hurt but that is the price he paid and earned, also has a Super Bowl Ring
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Post by gccwolverine on Jan 21, 2016 17:02:09 GMT -6
The number 1 thing that frustrates me more that anything is no one is willing to mention or admit that just because you forget something or miss place something doesn't equate to or mean one has CTE. That isn't to diminish the very real issue that CTE and other forms of brain degeneration are. But we have gotten to this hyper awareness mode via media that, "damn I don't remember where I put my keys" automatically assumes that CTE or brain degeneration is involved some way shape or form. I'd venture to say of the 300 million + Americans out there 150 million forget something at some point in the day every day.
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Post by runitupthemiddle on Jan 23, 2016 8:44:50 GMT -6
And when you look up careers of many players from earlier in the NFL they tended to all be shorter than today. Not sure how the mean or median career lengths compare, but maybe players already understood that purposely getting involved in multiple car crashes 14-16 weeks a year was taking its toll on their bodies. As an unfortunate lifetime Lions fan, I've really come to appreciate the career Barry Sanders had & understand that choosing to walk away probably was a conscious decision to ensure his quality for over half of the rest of his life was as high as possible. And let's not forget the cluster that Detroit was and still is ...megatron is about to retire too
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 23, 2016 13:24:20 GMT -6
Lets compare the money for Mr.-El NFL Pitt (1) - Bonus $935,000 Skins - 7 yr $31 Million ($11.5 million in Bonuses) Pitt (2) - 3 Yr $7 million ($900,000 sign bonus) MLB 14th Rd 2002 (at the best to keep him from football $500,000??)*will not get anything better until a major league contract, if he made it. I do not see where he regrets the money he made? I understand what he is saying now with being hurt but that is the price he paid and earned, also has a Super Bowl Ring I agree with this. It is pretty hard to take someone's comments seriously in a situation where the upside seems to be substantially better than most of the population. Also, as silkyice mentioned, he seems to be saying he wishes he would have tried playing pro baseball instead of pro football. He probably views the situation like this : I could have tried MLB, and if that didn't work, then I would have just gone back to football (and in his view, he is assuming he would have had the same level of success. Not sure if that would have been true, but that is probably what he is thinking)
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Post by ukpat37 on Jan 26, 2016 7:14:43 GMT -6
The big message here is to players who continue to go on despite repeated concussions. look at Austine Collie and Wes Welker for instance as classic examples. Heck, Welker even came back to the Rams for a stint this season and he's an idiot for doing so.
I hope this story and others like it get much more coverage because players aren't helping themselves and are taking far too much of a liberty with their own safety, which makes it hard for us to feel as sorry for them. I'm repeatedly getting tired of watching players wear loose fitting helmets and having them coming off after standard hits.
They know the risks, they take liberty with them, and they continue to play despite them. I suffered a concussion , post concussion syndrome and then contracted epilepsy...after that I stopped and there was no way I was risking my future health for any sport. These guys have got to start realising no amount of money can make up for having to endure something like he is, or I have had to endure.
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Post by leighty on Jan 26, 2016 7:28:40 GMT -6
These guys have got to start realising no amount of money can make up for having to endure something like he is, or I have had to endure. I think opinions like this one are easy to have when you're not staring tens of millions of dollars in the face.
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Post by cqmiller on Jan 26, 2016 7:38:04 GMT -6
My brother had to quit playing football 4 games into his junior year of high school due to concussion issues. He was a state championship QB and all state player as a sophomore. Was leading the state in rushing yards and TD's for the first 3 games his junior year but got his 4th concussion in less than 2 years and he and my parents made the decision to end the football carer. We knew the risks, were willing to accept them to a point, and got out once the risks were too great...
Both of us now coach high school football and when we talk about playing and the risks of football, etc... all my brother ever says is that he wishes he could go back and play again, but knows that it was the best choice to stop playing. He only regrets that he got the concussions in the first place and considers himself unlucky to have received his concussions when so many other people can play the game and take more hits than he and not get the major concussions that he had.
I teach chemistry and physics and I have no sympathy for anyone who played football in the post WW2 era when 90% of the population of our students in high school have to take some sort of physics-related class where they would learn about force, mass, acceleration, and the amounts of energy those things place on objects. If you wake up the day after a football game and you are sore from the neck-down, your head feels the same way, but you don't have the ability to feel that soreness in your head like you do the rest of your body. Doesn't take a genius to figure out that the sport has risks. Too many of these players look the other way to collect a paycheck and take the fame that comes with it, then want to plead ignorance... they CHOSE to be ignorant to it because the money/fame was more important to them short-term.
Hell, I have lots of things I could have done differently in my life... the girl at school that I didn't talk to at that party, only to find out she was willing to sleep with ANYONE, not choosing to walk-on at a bigger school as a 6'1" 185 lb QB from high school and redshirting rather than going to an NAIA school because in less than 3 months I was 6'3" 240, and a million other things. Do I blame anyone else for those decisions... NO. Do I regret any of those decisions... NO. You make the decisions you make based on the information you have available (and info on how dangerous football could be has been around since they were forced to invent the forward pass because of people DYING in the early days) and have to live with the consequences. Some people are willing to risk dying early and of some really bad cancers by smoking/chewing, I am not. But I also hate all the advertisements and other media and people who badger the people who do. It is their decision and must live with the consequences.
$h!t... I would have gone into the military with my 99th percentile score on the ASVAB, but the whole, "I could get my #ss shot off" possibility kept me clear of making that decision. I'm too much of a pu$$y to get shot at.
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Post by ukpat37 on Jan 26, 2016 8:25:24 GMT -6
These guys have got to start realising no amount of money can make up for having to endure something like he is, or I have had to endure. I think opinions like this one are easy to have when you're not staring tens of millions of dollars in the face. Very true...it is easy for me to say!
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Post by fantom on Jan 26, 2016 10:17:47 GMT -6
I think opinions like this one are easy to have when you're not staring tens of millions of dollars in the face. Very true...it is easy for me to say! Alright, sometimes I have memory loss. I don't blame football. I blame getting old.
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