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Post by mariner42 on Nov 21, 2015 18:24:30 GMT -6
So I've officially renounced myself as a Niner fan, but that's another story. I'm curious what NFL teams are worth watching or are doing something novel/interesting/unique? Who would I enjoy intellectually?
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Post by poundtherock1 on Nov 21, 2015 19:55:57 GMT -6
I think all the NFL teams are personally. Really high level football and scheme.
The panthers are my personal favorite being from NC. But they actually are really good too. Hard nosed and old school.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2015 4:55:47 GMT -6
I think all the NFL teams are personally. Really high level football and scheme. The panthers are my personal favorite being from NC. But they actually are really good too. Hard nosed and old school. I use to believe this as well, not sure I do any more. I love watching the patriots, giants, seahawks. Easy front running I understand. But the patriots run that power play as well as anybody I have ever. They always seemingly get that pulling on the 2nd level. The giants are jus resilient. And the seahawk,along with the pats run the same things seemingly week in and week out.
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Post by workboots on Nov 22, 2015 8:44:08 GMT -6
Although their teams may not be faring too well, Chip Kelly and Sean Payton are two coaches I always enjoy to watch.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 22, 2015 9:40:48 GMT -6
To be honest, if you are watching the NFL for the purpose of trying to pick up something scheme related and bring it to your HS team, I think you are in for a tough time. Now, individual effort, and big plays--that it has in abundance.
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Post by fantom on Nov 22, 2015 10:24:28 GMT -6
When I watch an NFL game I'm not looking to pick up ideas. I'm just another dope watching the game for fun.
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Post by veerman on Nov 22, 2015 10:28:36 GMT -6
I agree I don't watch NFL for any ideas...to be honest I wouldn't watch it but I really want to know how my fantasy guys do. I root for the pats, but not cause of scheme our anything like that, I'm just a Tom Brady fan.
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Post by dubber on Nov 22, 2015 14:51:19 GMT -6
I love to watch the trenches......
Announcers go nuts about how awesome or "inspired" a running back is when he rips off a 20 yarder. I like seeing how he wasn't touched for the first 10 yards.
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Post by dijackson08 on Nov 22, 2015 15:13:39 GMT -6
On the defensive side I really pay attention to what NE, SEA, BUF, PIT, GB and NO are doing.
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Post by rsmith627 on Nov 22, 2015 16:02:18 GMT -6
Detroit this year if you want to see what not to do.
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Post by 3rdandlong on Nov 22, 2015 18:10:04 GMT -6
I find the NFL very boring. That's just me though... Innovation comes from the college ranks and often times the smaller college ranks
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Post by 3rdandlong on Nov 22, 2015 18:13:02 GMT -6
I will always remember hearing an NFL secondary coach say "if we have that problem, we'll just cut that guy and find a new one." He also went on to say how they don't have the disadvantage of having guys go to class or teaching class... And also mentioned that film breakdown is easier in the NFL because of the hashes (or lack thereof) There aren't any field/bdy tendencies
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 22, 2015 18:41:12 GMT -6
I find the NFL very boring. That's just me though... Innovation comes from the college ranks and often times the smaller college ranks To each his own. I am not sure how someone can say watching Odell Beckham Jr, J.J. Watt, Tom Brady, Dez Bryant, etc can be very boring. I am not a huge NFL fan in that I don't keep up with all the players, the playoff chase, the MVP etc. I don't even play fantasy football. But I am entertained during that 3 hours of a sporting event. If I want innovation, I am reading Scientific America.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 8:01:52 GMT -6
I find the NFL very boring. That's just me though... Innovation comes from the college ranks and often times the smaller college ranks While I now believe the NFL is sort of inbread x and o wise, I think a lot of things you see in the college ranks actually come out of the NFL.
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Post by 33coach on Nov 23, 2015 9:32:31 GMT -6
I can watch almost any NFL game...until the announcers start talking "NFL Bro Speak".
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Post by lionhart on Nov 23, 2015 20:34:20 GMT -6
Don't enjoy watching the NFL at all. Yes, high level athletes no doubt. Just not the type of football I like. I'd rather watch Baylor/Ok.St. Or Bowling Green/Ball St. NFL seems too limited in what they do. Give me G.tech or Air Force even... Different styles that you just don't get at the pro level. (For reasons that I understand)
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Post by coachwoodall on Nov 23, 2015 20:57:13 GMT -6
I find the NFL very boring. That's just me though... Innovation comes from the college ranks and often times the smaller college ranks To each his own. I am not sure how someone can say watching Odell Beckham Jr, J.J. Watt, Tom Brady, Dez Bryant, etc can be very boring. I am not a huge NFL fan in that I don't keep up with all the players, the playoff chase, the MVP etc. I don't even play fantasy football. But I am entertained during that 3 hours of a sporting event. If I want innovation, I am reading Scientific America. Talented individuals can participate in boring events. Entertainment must be stimulating. Always punting on 4th and inches isn't entertaining. When's the last time you saw an NFL team fake a PAT? That being said I don't watch the pro game. I started coaching 23 years ago, 21 years ago I hooked up with a decent program and my Sunday's quit being front of the TV. Over time I lost the habit. About 6 years ago once the season was done, I thought "Why don't I lay on the couch with my 5 year old boy and watch a game like me and my dad did?" After a quarter of grabbing the remote to tune out commercial smut the networks advertise, me and the boy went out and played in the yard.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 24, 2015 8:33:25 GMT -6
If I have the NFL on, it's usually as background noise as I'm trying to take a nap. The pro game bores me to tears. I'd rather watch Illinois State vs North Dakota State or a DIII game.
Give me some hot MACtion and now we're really talking.
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Post by spreadattack on Nov 24, 2015 9:05:11 GMT -6
NFL can be fun and rough, especially given all the commercials and now everything is about goofy replays and 20 minute replays with confusing rule interpretations -- is it a catch? Some of the players are tremendous and I do enjoy watching the trenches in the NFL, see some wonderful technique stuff as well as some physical feats a lot of people don't notice. I get more out of watching the OL/DL these days in the NFL than pass routes, etc. But an NFL team with 5 OL playing together is fun to watch. As someone said above you can watch any Patriots game and just watch how well coached the offensive line is and get something out of it. It's also easy now with Game Rewind to either watch a condensed game in 30 minutes or go right to the coaches tape with wide and end zone angles.
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Post by rsmith627 on Nov 24, 2015 10:16:49 GMT -6
If I have the NFL on, it's usually as background noise as I'm trying to take a nap. The pro game bores me to tears. I'd rather watch Illinois State vs North Dakota State or a DIII game. Give me some hot MACtion and now we're really talking. Agree 100%. Some of those mid-week MAC games are the best games to watch during the season. They're exciting for one. From a coaching/analytical standpoint a lot of those guys are pretty innovative too. I can almost always pick up a new idea watching, even if it's an idea I'll never use.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 24, 2015 10:19:50 GMT -6
If I have the NFL on, it's usually as background noise as I'm trying to take a nap. The pro game bores me to tears. I'd rather watch Illinois State vs North Dakota State or a DIII game. Give me some hot MACtion and now we're really talking. Agree 100%. Some of those mid-week MAC games are the best games to watch during the season. They're exciting for one. From a coaching/analytical standpoint a lot of those guys are pretty innovative too. I can almost always pick up a new idea watching, even if it's an idea I'll never use. Living in Illinois with the Tim Beckman fiasco at the UofI if I have to hear one more time about the Illini fans not wanting another "MAC coach" I'm going to start punching people. There's a lot of good coaches that have come out of that league- Saban, Meyer, Jones, Kelly, etc- and a lot of really good ones in it now.
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Post by rsmith627 on Nov 24, 2015 10:22:59 GMT -6
Agree 100%. Some of those mid-week MAC games are the best games to watch during the season. They're exciting for one. From a coaching/analytical standpoint a lot of those guys are pretty innovative too. I can almost always pick up a new idea watching, even if it's an idea I'll never use. Living in Illinois with the Tim Beckman fiasco at the UofI if I have to hear one more time about the Illini fans not wanting another "MAC coach" I'm going to start punching people. There's a lot of good coaches that have come out of that league- Saban, Meyer, Jones, Kelly, etc- and a lot of really good ones in it now. I hate fans. Who exactly do they think that program is going to draw to it? It's a stepping stone job just like the Mac.
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Post by mariner42 on Nov 24, 2015 10:46:55 GMT -6
My problem with mid-major CFB (and CFB in general these days) is that it's seemingly 2/3rd shotgun teams doing the same ol' crap. I realize that the NFL is even more homogenous, but there are SOME teams that do things a little different. For instance, Harbaugh's Niners were a treat to watch because of the 101 Ways to Run Power approach they took.
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Post by 33coach on Nov 24, 2015 11:07:06 GMT -6
My problem with mid-major CFB (and CFB in general these days) is that it's seemingly 2/3rd shotgun teams doing the same ol' crap. I realize that the NFL is even more homogenous, but there are SOME teams that do things a little different. For instance, Harbaugh's Niners were a treat to watch because of the 101 Ways to Run Power approach they took. and that's why i watch UM on Saturdays - i saw him get into a double tight full house backfield, under center, with 2 sniffer backs last weekend. but i agree, CFB is getting "all spread all the time" which is getting a little dull.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 24, 2015 12:01:15 GMT -6
Living in Illinois with the Tim Beckman fiasco at the UofI if I have to hear one more time about the Illini fans not wanting another "MAC coach" I'm going to start punching people. There's a lot of good coaches that have come out of that league- Saban, Meyer, Jones, Kelly, etc- and a lot of really good ones in it now. I hate fans. Who exactly do they think that program is going to draw to it? It's a stepping stone job just like the Mac. Ask your average Illinois fan and they seem to think they should be on par with the Michigans and Wisconsins of the world. Don't even ask their basketball fans where they think they are. They seem surprised when an Illinois kid picks Duke over the UofI. "Lateral move" has been used to describe such a situation.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 24, 2015 12:02:36 GMT -6
My problem with mid-major CFB (and CFB in general these days) is that it's seemingly 2/3rd shotgun teams doing the same ol' crap. I realize that the NFL is even more homogenous, but there are SOME teams that do things a little different. For instance, Harbaugh's Niners were a treat to watch because of the 101 Ways to Run Power approach they took. and that's why i watch UM on Saturdays - i saw him get into a double tight full house backfield, under center, with 2 sniffer backs last weekend. but i agree, CFB is getting "all spread all the time" which is getting a little dull. Football is getting to be "all spread all the time". We run I and legitimately we're the only team I know of in our classification in the state, or the one above us or below us, that is 75%+ I formation.
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Post by jrk5150 on Nov 24, 2015 12:31:53 GMT -6
As someone said above you can watch any Patriots game and just watch how well coached the offensive line is and get something out of it. Ha ha - not last night. Wow that was ugly...
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Post by brophy on Nov 25, 2015 12:24:07 GMT -6
At the risk of codifying into absolutes, I find the NFL is so hard-wired to situational football. Offenses don't operate as a base and variations, but 1st down plays, 3rd and long plays, and short-yardage plays. IMO, THAT'S why the NFL seems boring. Consequently, that's how defenses are built in the NFL. You're either in 21 or sub personnel and coverages are played off of splits based on D&D and field position. None of this stuff is (usually) congruent with what they do on any other down.
Most NFL offenses are geared at just the individual matchups and not the working concepts/series that it would be difficult to glean much out of it for HS.
I believe a large part of it has to do with the decisions being made on a down-by-down basis on behalf of a mega-million dollar franchise and not a football program. Winning games is profitable for a franchise and program, but making stupid decisions that are dissected for 96 hours non-stop after the game, snowballing into market fluctuations/valuations the next week can seriously influence whether or not a coordinator is willing to roll the dice to convert a down.
Either that, or there is so much analysis done through the week that the calls become paralyzed into doing the most predictable response.
Not to be a football snob and hate on the NFL, because I'm sure there is plenty there to learn from, but I get lost on how to coach an NFL defense. Either these guys are the best charlatans collecting checks for doing nothing or they are legitimately able to coach how not to draw a Roughing, Targeting, or DPI call
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Post by s73 on Nov 25, 2015 12:52:31 GMT -6
At the risk of codifying into absolutes, I find the NFL is so hard-wired to situational football. Offenses don't operate as a base and variations, but 1st down plays, 3rd and long plays, and short-yardage plays. IMO, THAT'S why the NFL seems boring. Consequently, that's how defenses are built in the NFL. You're either in 21 or sub personnel and coverages are played off of splits based on D&D and field position. None of this stuff is (usually) congruent with what they do on any other down. Most NFL offenses are geared at just the individual matchups and not the working concepts/series that it would be difficult to glean much out of it for HS. I believe a large part of it has to do with the decisions being made on a down-by-down basis on behalf of a mega-million dollar franchise and not a football program. Winning games is profitable for a franchise and program, but making stupid decisions that are dissected for 96 hours non-stop after the game, snowballing into market fluctuations/valuations the next week can seriously influence whether or not a coordinator is willing to roll the dice to convert a down. Either that, or there is so much analysis done through the week that the calls become paralyzed into doing the most predictable response. You have successfully put into words what I feel about the NFL but couldn't do myself. Is truly predictable IMO. I personally feel the Pats generally show the most imagination. With that said, in season, especially after a long film session, I cannot stomach to watch any form of FB at all. Just get tired of seeing it period. After the season, NFL would be my last choice after college and HS.
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Post by The Lunch Pail on Nov 25, 2015 18:16:02 GMT -6
I am a fan of both, but I lean toward the college level. I am a huge fan of the Chiefs, and I think they bring a really unique atmosphere to the NFL that I have always liked. The vibe in Arrowhead Stadium is very collegiate-like and team-centric, unlike most NFL fanbases where people are only there for their fantasy team. Being a part of the Tomahawk Chop before kickoffs is simply exhilirating, and I've fallen in love with it. Plus, KC is two hours from where I live, so that helps, too.
I find myself a much bigger fan of CFB, though. I live a few minutes away from Columbia, and I've seen guys like Nick Saban, Mark Richt and Bill Snyder just strolling around town. I've even met Gary Pinkel before. All of that aside, the college game is the best place to learn X's & O's, especially during bowl season. I love recording all of the games, getting out an expo marker, and drawing up some of the plays. It's so much more fun to watch, and the craziest $hit happens all the time. The NFL also doesn't match the NCAA when it comes to true rivalries. I can guarantee you Alabama and Auburn hate each other much more than the Cowboys and Eagles.
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