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Post by fantom on Nov 11, 2015 20:17:59 GMT -6
Can it be done? Yes, but it's a function of talent more than anything else. Look at FSU and Nebraska in the 90s or Miami when they've been loaded. Few teams are lucky enough to have such an embarrassment of riches, so they choose where they focus their talent. The elite HS programs in my state dominate on both sides because they have the better Jimmies and Joes than the teams they play. When they do give up points, it's either to another elite team or after subbing down in yet another blowout win. Of course. You can't be good on offense or defense or special teams without talent.
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Post by doubletight305 on Nov 12, 2015 12:15:45 GMT -6
I truly believe that you can be "good" at both. However how you define "good" comes into play. Also, how you distribute your talent on your roster.
Personally we load up on defense, our best play there. I want them to be "good" in the conventional sense, stopping people, getting turnovers.
For us Offensively "good" means holding on to the football and having long and prolonged drives. "Good" is scoring at the end of a 15-play drive. We put our second best athletes (with exception at the tailback spots) on offense and live with it. For us scoring 24 points is "good", we win most of those games. I know some coaches that score 24 and they feel that the game was a disaster. So "good" is all relative
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Post by veerman on Nov 12, 2015 12:37:44 GMT -6
Alabama for the last 7 years? In 2014 they were ranked 9th in terms of total offense, 2013 32nd, 2012 19th, 2011 30th, 2010 22nd, 2009 15th, 2008 41st, 2007 67th and as of this point this year they are ranked 47th. While they are definitely in the top tier that are hardly consistent, and most years fall well short of being anywhere near the top 10. Their offense is adequate, but I don't know if I would call that elite. And don't misunderstand what I'm saying. Alabama as a program is elite but I think they're better and more consistent on D. I'm interested in looking up their D stats to see. espn.go.com/college-football/statistics/team/_/stat/total/year/2014I think a little of their offensive stats are not as good cause they play against better defenses than most at the top. So I don't necessarily look at were they rank on offense. But the proof is in the pudding. They have been Very good on both sides of the ball....only chink in their armor most years is their special teams.
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Post by fbs on Nov 12, 2015 14:15:04 GMT -6
today's definition of "good" on offense is way different than it was 15 years ago. the layperson does not see a 10 play drive that eats 9 minutes off the clock a successful possession. Most DC's will hug your neck when you do that. it's all a matter of perception. there was a time that scoring 28 was amazing. I truly believe the way we define a good offense now is never conducive to having a great defense because they will probably be on the field too long. meaning if you average over 40 a game your defense more than likely is going to give up more than they would like because they have to defend more possessions. Every time you score that's one more possession that the defense has to defend.
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Post by veerman on Nov 12, 2015 14:39:02 GMT -6
today's definition of "good" on offense is way different than it was 15 years ago. the layperson does not see a 10 play drive that eats 9 minutes off the clock a successful possession. Most DC's will hug your neck when you do that. it's all a matter of perception. there was a time that scoring 28 was amazing. I truly believe the way we define a good offense now is never conducive to having a great defense because they will probably be on the field too long. meaning if you average over 40 a game your defense more than likely is going to give up more than they would like because they have to defend more possessions. Every time you score that's one more possession that the defense has to defend.
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Post by veerman on Nov 12, 2015 14:41:11 GMT -6
today's definition of "good" on offense is way different than it was 15 years ago. the layperson does not see a 10 play drive that eats 9 minutes off the clock a successful possession. Most DC's will hug your neck when you do that. it's all a matter of perception. there was a time that scoring 28 was amazing. I truly believe the way we define a good offense now is never conducive to having a great defense because they will probably be on the field too long. meaning if you average over 40 a game your defense more than likely is going to give up more than they would like because they have to defend more possessions. Every time you score that's one more possession that the defense has to defend. Maybe in the sense of social media and others outside the game, but IMO those inside the game of football the perception (and maybe I'm by myself here) has not changed. I know going into games if someone has a good offense. And for me it's not how much they are scoring per game, but how efficient they are running their particular stuff. Oregon comes to mind on skewed numbers....the year they played Auburn they were avg close to 40 a game I think going into the NC. They scored like 18 in the game, they still had a good offense they were just playing a good team. When you play good overall teams numbers are not going to be what they are when you are playing cup cakes and scoring 60-70.
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Post by Coach Huey on Nov 12, 2015 15:00:11 GMT -6
No one in the Big 12 plays defense? Is Mark May posting on our board now?
Look at points allowed per possession and you'll see, I believe, 4 Big 12 teams among the top 40 teams in the country with, I believe, 5 among the top 25 in points scored per drive. Seems like they play pretty good football.
Let's not overlook how the "terrible" defenses of Oklahoma, Baylor, and Oklahoma State outranks the following "great" SEC defenses (in terms of points allowed per drive):
LSU Ole Miss Tennessee Arkansas Auburn South Carolina Kentucky
Not to mention these other "defensive" teams:
Notre Dame Michigan State Virginia Tech Miami
Maybe we should re-examine how we "evaluate" and "classify" defenses (and offenses, as well)
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