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Post by Wingtman on Oct 7, 2015 7:18:04 GMT -6
They've pretty much just given up. We are down to 20 bodies, and other then 4 kids, they just don't care anymore. We are 1-5 (and in my wildest imagination about this season, I thought we would be 3-3 at this point, maybe 4-2). We couldn't run an offensive play to save our life during practice yesterday. We had 21 plays, ran 1 correctly. ONE. We stopped offense and moved over to D. As the OC I couldn't see straight I was so frustrated. They just don't seem to care if they get beat or not. They don't seem to care if things are going well or not. I've been a jerk, I've been a nice guy, they don't respond to anything. One rumor I heard from a player is they don't like the HC, who is a screamer, and don't wanna play for him anymore. This week we have a game by all accounts if we show up, we should win, however, I thought that twice, and we got rolled. I can't make the offense any more simple, I've teached it every way known to man to adjust to their learning style, yet nothing. Im just tired of spending what little free time I have watching film and game planning for them not to care. Any ideas what to do at this point? 3 games to go.
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Post by fshamrock on Oct 7, 2015 7:41:51 GMT -6
hate to be a naysayer but there's not much left to be done. Focus on the young kids that still might care a little, expect to be frustrated for three more weeks, upgrade your drinking regimen
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Post by silkyice on Oct 7, 2015 7:49:46 GMT -6
No good advice for you. But, play the younger guys. Sit the first person to mess up in practice and insert anyone else.
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Post by coachphillip on Oct 7, 2015 8:16:24 GMT -6
If they're done, they're done. Don't compromise your integrity to play guys that aren't doing things your way. I'm sorry your season is turning out this way, coach. Best of luck.
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Post by newt21 on Oct 7, 2015 9:17:03 GMT -6
Agreed, if they're giving up and aren't trying anyways, are there ANY kids (even without size, strength, speed, anything) that you can put in there to take their place that will at least TRY to do what you're asking? If so, then put them in there and let those kids play. Could be addition by subtraction.
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Post by John Knight on Oct 7, 2015 9:32:53 GMT -6
Maybe you need to run someone off!!
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Post by newhope on Oct 7, 2015 10:29:28 GMT -6
The only thing I'd suggest in addition to what others have said is this: if they messed up 20 of 21 offensive plays, we'd still be there running offensive plays until they got it right. Don't accept failure and don't let them. If you give up and move on when they do it poorly, how can you expect them not to give up and move on? If they can't do it practice, they sure aren't going to do it in a game.
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Post by John Knight on Oct 7, 2015 11:43:21 GMT -6
Just make it fun!!! ARGGGGHH!!
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Post by dubber on Oct 7, 2015 12:50:57 GMT -6
Can you ID individual players leading the negativity?
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Post by breakerdog on Oct 7, 2015 13:13:12 GMT -6
I recommend a journal or note book, if you don't do that already.
Chalk this one up to a learning opportunity. So make it the best learning opportunity possible. Write down or record all your thoughts on what is going on, scheme, personnel, staff, parents, everything. When the season is done and you can make a cold eyes review, these notes will give you a great insight into where your head was at.
I take lots of game planning notes as well as all the other things I mentioned. Its really crazy how your brain is affected by the stress and situation of the season. You can look back on these notes and try to learn something valuable to take away.
I had a tough year once as an OC. My reaction was to continually try and scheme my way out of things. New installs, new tags, new additions to try and kick start the offence. Once I gained some distance from the season I realized that we had an execution problem, not a scheme problem and I was making it worse by adding new stuff. A really great lesson resulted from that crappy season and I might not have gotten it hammered home without my notes.
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Post by coachbdud on Oct 7, 2015 13:16:39 GMT -6
play the young kids play the few who still care
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Post by coach2013 on Oct 7, 2015 13:22:21 GMT -6
If you ran one play correctly, why the #$%^ are you running 21?
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Post by shocktroop34 on Oct 7, 2015 13:24:12 GMT -6
They've pretty much just given up. We are down to 20 bodies, and other then 4 kids, they just don't care anymore. We are 1-5 (and in my wildest imagination about this season, I thought we would be 3-3 at this point, maybe 4-2). We couldn't run an offensive play to save our life during practice yesterday. We had 21 plays, ran 1 correctly. ONE. We stopped offense and moved over to D. As the OC I couldn't see straight I was so frustrated. They just don't seem to care if they get beat or not. They don't seem to care if things are going well or not. I've been a jerk, I've been a nice guy, they don't respond to anything. One rumor I heard from a player is they don't like the HC, who is a screamer, and don't wanna play for him anymore. This week we have a game by all accounts if we show up, we should win, however, I thought that twice, and we got rolled. I can't make the offense any more simple, I've teached it every way known to man to adjust to their learning style, yet nothing. Im just tired of spending what little free time I have watching film and game planning for them not to care. Any ideas what to do at this point? 3 games to go. Your post reveals a few different thoughts that came to mind. First, I feel your frustration, but the first thing I would say is don't give up. In fact, work harder. I saw a t-shirt the other day that said, "Nobody cares, work harder." I just chuckled because it's so true in our profession. Secondly, find a consistent coaching style and stick with it. Being a jerk one day and a nice guy the next only sends mixed messages to the kids. They need a beacon that they can look to, especially if they're not feeling the HC. If they are showing they don't care, you have to show how much you still care. Even if you coach for the four guys that are still giving their all, coach for them. Go out to practice 20 minutes late, and in the 20 minutes, have a heart to heart with them. You're not the HC, so that might not be an option. If you ran one play out of 21 correctly, go back and focus on that one play. Not trying to trivialize the matter, but you have to run what works. Scale things back even more (10-12) plays, if need be. Also, you need to consider how the players are playing for YOU. If they don't want to play for the HC, are they still playing for you? How is YOUR group of guys performing? These type of situations suck, for sure. More than anything else, don't give up. You won't feel good about yourself as a coach if you do.
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Post by coach2013 on Oct 7, 2015 13:40:56 GMT -6
You need to play techmo bowl and run four plays correctly....with twenty kids you spend time cross training to make sure you have the depth to run those four plays well
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 16:09:49 GMT -6
You need to play techmo bowl and run four plays correctly....with twenty kids you spend time cross training to make sure you have the depth to run those four plays well When I become an oc, I am gonig to give my offense the tecmo bowl offense!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 16:10:44 GMT -6
I recommend a journal or note book, if you don't do that already. Chalk this one up to a learning opportunity. So make it the best learning opportunity possible. Write down or record all your thoughts on what is going on, scheme, personnel, staff, parents, everything. When the season is done and you can make a cold eyes review, these notes will give you a great insight into where your head was at. I take lots of game planning notes as well as all the other things I mentioned. Its really crazy how your brain is affected by the stress and situation of the season. You can look back on these notes and try to learn something valuable to take away. I had a tough year once as an OC. My reaction was to continually try and scheme my way out of things. New installs, new tags, new additions to try and kick start the offence. Once I gained some distance from the season I realized that we had an execution problem, not a scheme problem and I was making it worse by adding new stuff. A really great lesson resulted from that crappy season and I might not have gotten it hammered home without my notes. Mind blowing good stuff.
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Post by calkayne on Oct 7, 2015 16:20:47 GMT -6
We stopped offense and moved over to D. Why not coach on the positives? Jump on the one play they did well and run it from a couple of formations? I have been in similar situations Coach! Many, many times. It does not sound like a football problem though, more than a leadership problem. Without being there and seeing exactly what is going on, my first questions would be: - Who are the nucleus of the team and what are their feelings - they will have a profound effect on the rest of the team. Why are they not invested in the team.
- How much pressure is on these kids to win - football is not about winning and loosing, its about developing and leading. If they cant win, why play?
- How does the culture of the teams tradition affect the team - are they invested in their team and its history, or is the tradition standing in the way of the teams development
Your just the OC and you do not have the position to navigate the team, but you can approach the HC with ideas. Its his call at the end of the day.
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Post by 33coach on Oct 7, 2015 16:25:44 GMT -6
You need to play techmo bowl and run four plays correctly....with twenty kids you spend time cross training to make sure you have the depth to run those four plays well When I become an oc, I am gonig to give my offense the tecmo bowl offense! only if you use the Minnesota Offense. *worst playbook in the game*
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 16:57:06 GMT -6
When I become an oc, I am gonig to give my offense the tecmo bowl offense! only if you use the Minnesota Offense. *worst playbook in the game* That moniker should repeated by every coach and teacher in the world. Talk about repping it.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Oct 7, 2015 17:20:01 GMT -6
I hope he meant 21 plays on offense, not 21 different plays. I can't name 21 different play after this glass of Jameson.
BUT, Tecmo Bowl I was an Oilers guy. Lorenzo White fumbled too much but I could run & shoot all day.
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Post by Defcord on Oct 7, 2015 17:42:01 GMT -6
Use the film to show them things they can improve on. Show them places where you think they look like they have given up and ask them why they did what they did in that situation. I coach dbs and our effort away from the play was terrible the first game. I put it up on film asked them what was going on. They told me they didn't realize how bad it was. It was good for them to see that.
The other thing and I don't know if this is an issue with you but I have this issue as a coach where I take everything personally. I am not nearly as bad as I was when I was younger but when kids weren't doing what I wanted it made them like an enemy to me. I finally learned being mad and yelling all of the time was driving us apart. Now I try hard to keep the focus on fixing the technique rather than being mad it's wrong.
When there are effort issues I put someone new in. They know that effort has to be there or you are out. That's a tough spot for you with no subs. I think if I were you I would pull a kid for bad effort run the play with 10 guys and tell them that when a guy gives bad effort it's like he's not there anyway. I would have the kid do ten or fifteen up downs to earn his way bsck into the next play.
Not sure if any of this helps but good luck. I know how frustrating your situation can be as I have been there before.
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Post by agame on Oct 8, 2015 1:16:27 GMT -6
Keep grinding coach best of luck..
We have all been in these type of situations and looking back I didn't handle mine very well at all...
Better days are ahead..
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Post by CS on Oct 8, 2015 4:03:44 GMT -6
I hope he meant 21 plays on offense, not 21 different plays. I can't name 21 different play after this glass of Jameson. BUT, Tecmo Bowl I was an Oilers guy. Lorenzo White fumbled too much but I could run & shoot all day. Then I would counter with L.A...... Just give it to Bo Jackson every play and watch him break a million tackles
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Post by IronmanFootball on Oct 8, 2015 5:53:00 GMT -6
We had a TSB tourny with my kids a couple years back, last day of school, I dominated with Cowboys.
We drew the middle of the road teams out of a hat.
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Post by John Knight on Oct 8, 2015 7:05:29 GMT -6
I have seen this work but only if you have a handful that still care. Kick them out of practice. Tell them you aren't going to waste your time with guys that don't want to be there. The few that want to do it will rally the troops and come back with a different attitude. I can work or not but, WTF have you got to lose?
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Post by coachmonkey on Oct 8, 2015 7:09:29 GMT -6
They've pretty much just given up. We are down to 20 bodies, and other then 4 kids, they just don't care anymore. We are 1-5 (and in my wildest imagination about this season, I thought we would be 3-3 at this point, maybe 4-2). We couldn't run an offensive play to save our life during practice yesterday. We had 21 plays, ran 1 correctly. ONE. We stopped offense and moved over to D. As the OC I couldn't see straight I was so frustrated. They just don't seem to care if they get beat or not. They don't seem to care if things are going well or not. I've been a jerk, I've been a nice guy, they don't respond to anything. One rumor I heard from a player is they don't like the HC, who is a screamer, and don't wanna play for him anymore. This week we have a game by all accounts if we show up, we should win, however, I thought that twice, and we got rolled. I can't make the offense any more simple, I've teached it every way known to man to adjust to their learning style, yet nothing. Im just tired of spending what little free time I have watching film and game planning for them not to care. Any ideas what to do at this point? 3 games to go. I would do some competition drills, see Ohio State, and others. Find out which players are truly competitors, and start building around them. You have some kids who care, you just don't know which ones hate to lose.
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Post by Wingtman on Oct 8, 2015 7:12:07 GMT -6
It was 21 snaps, not 21 plays. And execution? I'm all for it
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Post by jsk002 on Oct 8, 2015 7:23:57 GMT -6
We stopped offense and moved over to D. Why not coach on the positives? Jump on the one play they did well and run it from a couple of formations? I have been in similar situations Coach! Many, many times. It does not sound like a football problem though, more than a leadership problem. Without being there and seeing exactly what is going on, my first questions would be: - Who are the nucleus of the team and what are their feelings - they will have a profound effect on the rest of the team. Why are they not invested in the team.
- How much pressure is on these kids to win - football is not about winning and loosing, its about developing and leading. If they cant win, why play?
- How does the culture of the teams tradition affect the team - are they invested in their team and its history, or is the tradition standing in the way of the teams development
Your just the OC and you do not have the position to navigate the team, but you can approach the HC with ideas. Its his call at the end of the day. I think this is spot on. It is a leadership problem. We had the same one last year. Things I did to address in the offseason: 1. Set high expectations 2. Develop a captain application process & leadership council 3. Leadership training 4. Team Building stuff 5. MAKE FOOTBALL FUN Kids responded. In the short term - I would do a lot more individual and fundamental work and very little team. Keep practice moving, shorten it up.
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Post by craines10 on Oct 8, 2015 11:33:54 GMT -6
They've pretty much just given up. We are down to 20 bodies, and other then 4 kids, they just don't care anymore. We are 1-5 (and in my wildest imagination about this season, I thought we would be 3-3 at this point, maybe 4-2). We couldn't run an offensive play to save our life during practice yesterday. We had 21 plays, ran 1 correctly. ONE. We stopped offense and moved over to D. As the OC I couldn't see straight I was so frustrated. They just don't seem to care if they get beat or not. They don't seem to care if things are going well or not. I've been a jerk, I've been a nice guy, they don't respond to anything. One rumor I heard from a player is they don't like the HC, who is a screamer, and don't wanna play for him anymore. This week we have a game by all accounts if we show up, we should win, however, I thought that twice, and we got rolled. I can't make the offense any more simple, I've teached it every way known to man to adjust to their learning style, yet nothing. Im just tired of spending what little free time I have watching film and game planning for them not to care. Any ideas what to do at this point? 3 games to go. Sounds like the season we going through. Kids dont care if they get embarrassed or not. Ours say all the right things but actions speak a lot louder than words
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Post by rhscoachbh on Oct 8, 2015 11:51:08 GMT -6
They've pretty much just given up. We are down to 20 bodies, and other then 4 kids, they just don't care anymore. We are 1-5 (and in my wildest imagination about this season, I thought we would be 3-3 at this point, maybe 4-2). We couldn't run an offensive play to save our life during practice yesterday. We had 21 plays, ran 1 correctly. ONE. We stopped offense and moved over to D. As the OC I couldn't see straight I was so frustrated. They just don't seem to care if they get beat or not. They don't seem to care if things are going well or not. I've been a jerk, I've been a nice guy, they don't respond to anything. One rumor I heard from a player is they don't like the HC, who is a screamer, and don't wanna play for him anymore. This week we have a game by all accounts if we show up, we should win, however, I thought that twice, and we got rolled. I can't make the offense any more simple, I've teached it every way known to man to adjust to their learning style, yet nothing. Im just tired of spending what little free time I have watching film and game planning for them not to care. Any ideas what to do at this point? 3 games to go. Check out the book Lead for God's Sake. Sounds like your situation.
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