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Post by olcoach53 on Sept 14, 2015 9:25:37 GMT -6
We were down 20-12 with 40 seconds left in the game. The opposing teams offense had a 3rd and 1 situation and we were out of timeouts. They decided to run the ball, they fumbled, we scored a touchdown with no time left on the clock and converted the two point play to head to overtime.
We scored in OT and our defense drove them back 15 yards in OT to secure a 26-20 win.
Would YOU have taken a knee?
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Post by WingTheT on Sept 14, 2015 9:28:19 GMT -6
Yes and run the clock out and I'm not saying this due to hindsight.
If you had the game in the bag, why risk it just to pad the stats? Especially that close of a game. Congrats on the win though!
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Post by newt21 on Sept 14, 2015 9:36:02 GMT -6
ALWAYS call the game to guarantee the win. If there's no reason to snap the ball, why snap it. If there's no reason to run a play, why run a play.
Maybe they thought if they took a knee, there would still be too much time on the clock and they'd have to give it back to you? Could've been a brain fart on their coaches part, not trying to pad stats.
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Post by olcoach53 on Sept 14, 2015 9:38:21 GMT -6
Our staff thinks it was honestly their coaching staff trying to be arrogant and getting the first down. They did some questionable things all night; dirty, shady things.
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Post by larrymoe on Sept 14, 2015 10:19:20 GMT -6
They may not have realized the clock situation. Technically, you could have gotten the ball back. They take a knee, takes 5 secs, now it's at 35, they wind the clock, you're getting it back on a punt return or something with 5-10 secs left. A first down ends the game.
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Post by olcoach53 on Sept 14, 2015 10:49:20 GMT -6
When they finally took the snap on third down there were 31 seconds left.
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Post by blb on Sept 14, 2015 10:54:29 GMT -6
The correct call would have been to take a knee.
In that situation many referees won't make next RFP until under :25 so they wouldn't have to do it again.
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Post by olcoach53 on Sept 14, 2015 10:56:03 GMT -6
The correct call would have been to take a knee. In that situation many referees won't make next RFP until under :25 so they wouldn't have to do it again. That's what we didn't understand. We figured that the refs would not have wound the clock until after 25 seconds anyways. Still perplexed by the decision but thrilled with the outcome!
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Post by ksmitty79 on Sept 14, 2015 22:49:23 GMT -6
Totally different story about dumb coaching. Friday night we were up 35-0 pretty much on the ground (RB had 198 on 13 carries and 6 TD at this point) 1st and goal go 2x2... THEY HAVE 4 guys in the box!!! I told the head man "You can't Fix Stupid"
You see situations like the one I listed and the OP all of the time In our area... We see it more with those teams that are LOADED with talent.
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Post by agame on Sept 15, 2015 5:49:34 GMT -6
Take a knee.....
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Post by coachg13 on Sept 15, 2015 7:00:23 GMT -6
Take a knee.
Other questionable coaching - Friday we ran power out of 21 personnel 39 times for 250 yards. The opposing team stayed in a double eagle look with a 9 technique AND he ran upfield the entire night. Never got out of it.
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Post by newt21 on Sept 19, 2015 10:06:54 GMT -6
Take a knee. Other questionable coaching - Friday we ran power out of 21 personnel 39 times for 250 yards. The opposing team stayed in a double eagle look with a 9 technique AND he ran upfield the entire night. Never got out of it. I guess some people are just REALLY good in interviews and/or know people...wow
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Post by fantom on Sept 25, 2015 21:09:06 GMT -6
The correct call would have been to take a knee. In that situation many referees won't make next RFP until under :25 so they wouldn't have to do it again. That's what we didn't understand. We figured that the refs would not have wound the clock until after 25 seconds anyways. Still perplexed by the decision but thrilled with the outcome! You can have a good career from opposing coaches making dopey decisions.
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Post by coachg13 on Sept 26, 2015 20:13:01 GMT -6
Not necessarily "awful" coaching per se, but a decent story. Playing against a successful, well known coach in our league last night, we were up by 7 with about 8 mins left. They had it 4th and goal from the 12 after we got a sack on 3rd down. Our CB had good coverage on a wheel route and just blatantly shoved the chit out of the WR for no apparent reason as the ball is coming. They call pass interference which was the absolute correct call. I calmly walked over to our linesman to make sure the crew knows its not an automatic first down (you never know). So they mark off half the distance to the goal. 4th and goal from the 6, we say great lets get one more stop. Opposing team breaks the huddle...FB dive up the middle for 1 yard. Our defense runs off pumped up and offense runs on the field. The coach on the other sideline is freaking out screaming and hollering at the refs...
We drove it down and scored again, so it may not have made a difference, but it pays to know the rules.
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Post by toke on Sept 29, 2015 13:33:36 GMT -6
Not necessarily "awful" coaching per se, but a decent story. Playing against a successful, well known coach in our league last night, we were up by 7 with about 8 mins left. They had it 4th and goal from the 12 after we got a sack on 3rd down. Our CB had good coverage on a wheel route and just blatantly shoved the chit out of the WR for no apparent reason as the ball is coming. They call pass interference which was the absolute correct call. I calmly walked over to our linesman to make sure the crew knows its not an automatic first down (you never know). So they mark off half the distance to the goal. 4th and goal from the 6, we say great lets get one more stop. Opposing team breaks the huddle...FB dive up the middle for 1 yard. Our defense runs off pumped up and offense runs on the field. The coach on the other sideline is freaking out screaming and hollering at the refs... We drove it down and scored again, so it may not have made a difference, but it pays to know the rules. Guess that's federation rules. In NCAA the ball would be placed on the spot of the foul and automatic first down. If the passing interference was in the end-zone the ball would've been placed on the 2 yard line. The more I read on this forum, the more I get to see how big a difference there is between federation rules and NCAA-rules. But being a rule-nerd myself have certainly helped our team out on more occasions.
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Post by tdg81 on Oct 12, 2015 2:30:10 GMT -6
yes for sure take a knee for that exact reason you take a knee and not much chance of a turnover
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Post by coachcotner on Nov 6, 2015 16:57:54 GMT -6
They should have ran a double reverse pass
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Post by coachjps on Nov 10, 2015 1:53:33 GMT -6
It does suprise me how many HC are not aware of time, timeouts and the play clock. Here it's 25 seconds. Multiple times I have reminded theHC just to take a knee and that we could run out the clock or at least make the other team burn all their TOs and leave little on time left on the clock.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2015 6:40:50 GMT -6
Take a knee. Other questionable coaching - Friday we ran power out of 21 personnel 39 times for 250 yards. The opposing team stayed in a double eagle look with a 9 technique AND he ran upfield the entire night. Never got out of it. I see this a lot.
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Post by funkfriss on Nov 10, 2015 13:38:06 GMT -6
I would say take a knee. If they signal it in before 25 seconds, line up for the 4th down play and false start. Clock continues to run and you get another down. Game Over
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Post by vanden48 on Jan 26, 2016 15:16:00 GMT -6
Always have a sheet that has a clock kill chart and a two point chart on it. I close games, under pressure, bad choices, are often made by unprepared coaches.
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Post by rosey65 on Jan 27, 2016 7:02:50 GMT -6
I put less faith in the officials chopping the play in with under 25 to go, or calling us for a delay, than I do my RB holding the ball with 2 hands and getting the 1st down. I'd have run the ball.
This past season, senior night, we are up by 21 with under 2 minutes to play. We put all seniors in the game, then call a TO and sub them out 1 at a time, a la a basketball game. We had 9 kids subbed when the back judge yells at us and grabs for his flag to call delay. We had to take another TO, while the rest of the refs all roll their eyes at the back judge. Benign play, didn't cost us anything, but we've had more than our fair share of refs take charge of a game.
You. Play. To. Win. The. Game.
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Post by 3rdandlong on Jan 28, 2016 13:52:34 GMT -6
Always have a sheet that has a clock kill chart and a two point chart on it. I close games, under pressure, bad choices, are often made by unprepared coaches. Never heard of a clock kill chart. Can you explain please?
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Post by vanden48 on Jan 28, 2016 15:01:37 GMT -6
It is a spreadsheet that has time outs left and downs left and the time remaining that you can take a knee without giving the ball back to the opponent. I can email you one if you PM me your email. I have a sheet that has the 2 Point Conversion Chart, a Time Out taken chart to check off how many time outs are left for each team, each half, and a clock kill chart telling you when to take a knee.
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Post by centercoach on Jan 28, 2016 18:05:46 GMT -6
vanden48 can you email that to me too? id be interested in seeing that?
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Post by windigo on Jan 29, 2016 16:48:36 GMT -6
Should have taken a knee but its not surprising many coaches dont really get how the time runs. They see 40 seconds left and think 40-25 = 15 I have to get a first down.
That it takes time to set the ball and the refs will intentionally hold it till after 25 doesn't seem to click.
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