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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 6:40:05 GMT -6
One of my duties this season is going to be scouting director. I will oversee the scouting as well as doing some myself as well. For a guy that hasn't done it that much, what are you looking for when doing it live? We have scout cards with the 5 OL drawn in as well as info. such as hash, yardline, down, distance, what play was it, etc. There may be some cases where I've got to do this alone, and to me, it seems like a lot for one dude to do. Anybody out there do this on their own? Many times I'll have another coach, or two there with me, but some games I'll have to do by myself. Any tips? Thanks.
Duece
P.S. I put this in general b/c I'll be doing all 3 phases of the game.
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Post by blb on Aug 3, 2015 7:04:05 GMT -6
Did some early in my career, did our first opponents in Pre-Season scrimmages to save time (confirmed or corrected what I had written if-when we exchanged film).
Draw as little as possible, i.e. have terminology that you can use to simply write out formation, play, pattern or routes rather than trying to draw what everyone does like a playbook or scout card.
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Post by 19holmes on Aug 3, 2015 7:32:53 GMT -6
Make note of tempo and any changes in tempo because you can't tell on the cut up versions on hudl.
Our guys when they were at these games were more focused on personel. Several teams we completely shut down because they moved their best lineman to the play side. Something we couldn't tell from the film.
Also same with another team and a WR. Whenever he wasn't aligned in his normal position they were going to take a shot deep to him.
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 3, 2015 8:17:31 GMT -6
Are you also getting film on the games you are scouting or will this be the only chance to get the info? I think that matters a great deal in the process as others have alluded to here
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Post by coachbdud on Aug 3, 2015 8:46:12 GMT -6
@duece
are you not allowed to film them or something?
i would think just filming it all, then breaking it down later at home would be easier
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Post by coachhenry27 on Aug 3, 2015 8:54:14 GMT -6
I don't know if you've ever read it, but "Football Scouting Methods" by Steve Belichick is a great resource. He was supposedly one of the best scouts ever and he did his scouting live. www.amazon.com/Football-Scouting-Methods-Steve-Belichick/dp/1891396757I would personally look at formations, personnel (who is the stud? and How do they get him the ball?),presonnel groupings, base plays, their "Go To" play, their tempo, and any indicators (like mentioned previously Lineman switches, line splits, RB alignment, etc.)
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Post by wingtol on Aug 3, 2015 10:36:38 GMT -6
First off as others have asked is this your only scout or,do you get film as well?
When I started coaching frosh ball we went out to scout all the time and some places didn't let us film. We had a form made either 4 or 6 boxes with D/D and hash then the five OL drawn in already. If you have other guys one guy would write, one would call out formation as best he could in our terms, then we would split it like you watch left side of OL you watch right side and I got the backs. Or one guy would watch OL, one had backfield, one had WR. Wasn't always perfect but it's better than nothing. Defense we split up basically the same with DL/LB/DB. If you're going alone I always tried to watch the OL first then figure everything else out after that. Get a program and try and just mark starters on the roster, easier than writing it down on your own.
If you can we always got there early and watched pre-game warm ups to see what they were going over. And get the cadence if you can, always seems to be something you can't get off film now. Take lots of pens or pencils, you can never have enough.
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Post by blb on Aug 3, 2015 11:01:37 GMT -6
Before scouting a team, if you have previous year's film on them and can study that ahead of time, it will help immensely - familiarize yourself with them, anticipate what you will be seeing and will call it-write down.
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Post by agap on Aug 3, 2015 12:15:47 GMT -6
I've scouted teams if they played their first game a week before us or if they played on a different night. We usually didn't get the film of that game so I would draw every play in a notebook. I usually only filled one page because they'd run the same plays over and over.
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Post by adawg2302 on Aug 3, 2015 14:04:44 GMT -6
When watching a team live (also assuming we are filming / getting the film), I like to look at situational things. What is their go to on 3rd & short? 3rd & long? Goaline? After a momentum shift (positive or negative)? What are their scoring plays? etc...sometimes on the film, a play will be missed, cut out, not downloaded properly, etc...especially if it is a high tempo team. Nothing worse than watching one play, then the next play is a PAT and you have no idea how the hell they scored!
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Post by coachbdud on Aug 3, 2015 14:19:29 GMT -6
When watching a team live (also assuming we are filming / getting the film), I like to look at situational things. What is their go to on 3rd & short? 3rd & long? Goaline? After a momentum shift (positive or negative)? What are their scoring plays? etc...sometimes on the film, a play will be missed, cut out, not downloaded properly, etc...especially if it is a high tempo team. Nothing worse than watching one play, then the next play is a PAT and you have no idea how the hell they scored! back when everyone still did VHS (my first year coaching) there was a team that was notorious for trading less than complete games their coach would keep the only real copy of the game for himself all of the ones he traded would have plays cut out (which on VHS takes some time to do, means you stop the recording on one VHS, play the other, then resume recording) he would get out trick plays and new things he added in so the next opponent wouldnt see them lol
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Post by coachbdud on Aug 3, 2015 14:22:29 GMT -6
@duece
my advice assuming you are scouting all alone
pretty similar to what others have stated
pre done sheets with the 5 OL on it
writing down and distance, yard line stuff is easy because you can do it before the snap
you'll have to scramble to draw the formations quickly pre snap... if they aren't too exotic it shouldn't be too hard though
then comes the snap, i suggest watching just the OL play...
my reasoning is if you watch them, to get the scheme, it is easy after the play to draw what the skill guys did
you will see who had the ball after he is tackled (#23, then look and see where he was lined up)
and can kind of fill in the blanks easier if you know what the OL did, than if you focus on the ball, and miss the OL
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 19:11:25 GMT -6
Thanks guys. Some clarifications. Generally I won't be doing it on my own, but I might (not sure of the setup and scheduling, that's another part of my job I've got to get to). Will have film, but not necessarily on the game we are scouting. Already have cards made up, so that's a plus. I've tweaked them a bit, but for the most part they are the standard stuff most of you guys have mentioned. Just got that book in the mail, plan on starting it TONIGHT! Oh coachbdud we cannot film the games, it's against the rules. Thanks for the insight guys! Duece
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 3, 2015 19:30:24 GMT -6
@duece I would also get a feel for what you guys really want/need. If you are going to have lots of film for data purposes, then I would watch the game in a different light. But that is me, and I know one of my biggest weaknesses as a coach is getting lost in the minutia and not seeing the big picture. One of my most embarrassing but biggest self reflective moments as a coach was a time when our RB coach was yelling from the sidelines exactly what play the opponent was going to run and me, as the DB coach didn't see it coming. I was too caught up in charting plays, getting tendencies, the previous tendencies etc. and wasn't "in the game" so to speak.
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Post by coachtua on Aug 5, 2015 2:41:43 GMT -6
When watching a team live (also assuming we are filming / getting the film), I like to look at situational things. What is their go to on 3rd & short? 3rd & long? Goaline? After a momentum shift (positive or negative)? What are their scoring plays? etc...sometimes on the film, a play will be missed, cut out, not downloaded properly, etc...especially if it is a high tempo team. Nothing worse than watching one play, then the next play is a PAT and you have no idea how the hell they scored! back when everyone still did VHS (my first year coaching) there was a team that was notorious for trading less than complete games their coach would keep the only real copy of the game for himself all of the ones he traded would have plays cut out (which on VHS takes some time to do, means you stop the recording on one VHS, play the other, then resume recording) he would get out trick plays and new things he added in so the next opponent wouldnt see them lol Shoot. Even with HUDL we have gotten films like that. First play tackle for a loss. Next play they are 20 yards further down the field. THAT is why we still send a scouter to our watch our next opponent...
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Post by coachsticks on Aug 5, 2015 17:42:22 GMT -6
Buy a voice recorder.
Pre-snap to post snap you can essentially record what you would input into Hudl.
I've done this before, and I see so much more than I would have had I been trying to watch and draw at the same time.
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Post by coachbrek on Aug 5, 2015 21:30:01 GMT -6
My college coach was big on scouting he did his theists on it for his masters.
When I took football coaching class from him we had to go scout a high school game and turn it in for a grade he was anal about it.
The last post mentioned a tape recorder which he recommended but his biggest points in live scouting was pregame and special teams. How is their long snapper? How is their punter , kick off kick return personnel who are the fish? Where do they play ? These types of things you don't pick up on film
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