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Post by coachcb on Jul 28, 2015 15:08:14 GMT -6
These type of people are why I was despised as a union president at my last school. We had a teacher use all of their sick/personal days for various reasons and then take short term disability when she slipped on some ice and twisted her knee. She milked the short term disability for all it was worth; she missed two weeks of school and showed back up and wasn't even wearing a brace.. She was reffing junior-high basketball games within two weeks of coming back to work as well. I have no friggin clue how she got that much out of disability... She missed 23 days of school in two and a half quarters. She was tenured and the administration was trying to get rid of her so I had the glorious job of sitting in the office with her and the principal while they went through her professional plan of improvement. One of the points in the plan of improvement was her crap attendance and she was furious that I didn't "back her up" when it was discussed. I told her that I agreed completely with the administration's assessment and that he had every reason to question her work ethic. Yes and sadly these types are part of the reason that the profession's respect in the eyes of the public is quickly declining. Yes, yes they are. Thankfully, the administration wants her gone bad enough that he'll put in the leg work to make sure she's either fired or she sees the writing on the wall and quits. Unfortunately, people don't understand that tenure doesn't equal invincibility. It just means that administration has to have their shiite together and come up with enough cause to fire them. Which, as a former union president, I have found is not that difficult to do.
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Post by coachcb on Jul 28, 2015 15:32:26 GMT -6
Dubber, this is all much easier said than done. The reality in my two situations wasn't complicated; people didn't show up for practice or games if there weren't strict policies in place. It's pretty difficult to empower a group of kids when you have to fight with them (and their parents) just to get them to show up. The kids weren't willing to take over a larger role in the program, much less ready to do so. I coached under three guys who are HOF coaches in this state and they established their programs by doing exactly what you describe, Dubber. They establish a culture that encourages intrinsic motivation and let the player leadership take root. I spent hours talking to those guys and coming up with ways to promote athlete empowerment. I surrounded myself by a staff that treated the kids well, coached them to the best of their ability and had good reputations with the community. I sacrificed experience in coaching to make sure that the kids weren't getting screamed at and to ensure that the staff had the respect of the community. It's a lot easier to coach up a younger guy than it is to break the habits of the old-school screamers. But, at the end of the day, it's all out of the coaching staff's control as the players and the community have to buy-in if anything is going to get done. And, you have to establish a base of accountability before anything can happen because you every leadership role or situation you impart on a student athlete must be based on taking responsibility for their actions and understanding accountability. This is also something that needs to be reinforced at home as well. I cannot disagree with anything in this last post. I also realize that I have only been involved with 2 programs in my coaching life, and as such, my opinion may count for less. The first was a college program that turned it around from doormat to national power. They did it by recruiting (something that as a high school I still remember), and by this type of player empowerment. The second is a high school where we have been building this since 2007. In year's past we had to be the one's pushing the kids in the weight room. This year, we can sit in the coaches office and listen to the plates slamming in the other room. The atmosphere is set in the weight room (which is where I recommend focusing early on in this process), and I know it will carry on to the field. Our next goal is to develop that ability to re-focus after bad plays. We get that, we are going to be great. Both of the programs we tried to turn around had numerous, serious problems long before we took over. And, I know it both times and jumped in with both feet so I shouldn't complain too much. Both schools had one thing in common; a lack of accountability from the community. In one school, the parents just didn't give a crap and the kids just ran free. It's hard to get kids to understand responsibility when mom and dad let them miss half of a week of school and a game so they can get drunk with their buddies that came back to town from college. In the other, the parents were convinced that I was the Great Satan for demanding their kids show up to practice. My predecessor averaged one win a season in his five years there, had no expectations of the kids and was absolutely beloved. So, people were angry when I had the audacity to ask their kids to participate in practice on a regular basis. I had my fill of that place when I was called to task for benching several kids that missed curfew because they were out drinking.
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Post by newhope on Jul 28, 2015 19:17:05 GMT -6
My experience has been that it is the problem the first year I'm at a school. I make it clear that perhaps they made plans prior to my getting there and didn't understand, but that they don't miss practice once official practice starts to go on vacation. After that first year, we have to deal with freshmen and vacations--same thing, they may not know. We don't deal with it above that level. Like most things, we tell parents what the expectation is, what the consequences will be, and then we don't have the problem.
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Post by nltdiego on Jul 28, 2015 22:39:07 GMT -6
My experience has been that it is the problem the first year I'm at a school. I make it clear that perhaps they made plans prior to my getting there and didn't understand, but that they don't miss practice once official practice starts to go on vacation. After that first year, we have to deal with freshmen and vacations--same thing, they may not know. We don't deal with it above that level. Like most things, we tell parents what the expectation is, what the consequences will be, and then we don't have the problem. What is consequence?
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Post by football365 on Jul 28, 2015 22:50:11 GMT -6
On one hand, it's pretty sad that if the schedule came out in January that parents are doing this. On the other hand, I think the HC should have had a parent meeting explaining the following things:
1. Kids are expected to be at official practice.
2. We practice on Labor Day
3. The attendance policy is as follows
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Post by lions23 on Jul 28, 2015 23:58:46 GMT -6
I think it's about establishing a culture. I've been a part of Two turn around a and at both places there are issues of accountability and commitment. You have to build the culture so that those principles are made highly important.
We never had issues with vacation bc our kids don't have any money but we have had issues with other things. Lack of resources and cultural community issues have had to be addressed.
We used to have issues with Labor Day skipping to get a homecoming outfit or haircut babysitting moving and birthdays.
Some of that is about understanding how to commit and some of that is about culture of poverty.
Now we have had to really address issues like homecoming and make expectations clear but issues like babysitting and moving we have had to reach understanding. We have a great level of poverty and low middle class within our school. Childcare is a real issue for families and older siblings are expected to help out. We try to help with that. If the younger sibling is old enough-bring em along. If you are moving we will get a bunch of the teammates to help. Mobility is a real issue for families with income issues. Often they will stay in an apartment till the very day the lease is up. Then you have to move that day. They can't afford a month of overlapping rents.
The birthdays I never have understood that well. Perhaps bc it is a tough life for many of the families it's a bigger deal when they live another year. They throw parties dress up and mom takes the day off work and spends more than she should on gifts. It's a weird lesson I think they teach the kids bc it's like the rest of the world stops. Your boss isn't gonna give a chit when it's your birthday.
So I thought your issues with vacation Beas interesting contrasted with our issues pertaining to missed practices.
It's like my dad always said. Everyone has problems in area and every economic background. It's just different problems.
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Post by hback41 on Jul 31, 2015 9:53:55 GMT -6
The guy who was #1 at QB on the depth chart missed half of spring ball in Hawaii. The #2 passed him up. Yes. That means our QB spot isn't that strong. Sent from my SM-G900V using proboards Did the number 2 pass him because he is better, or because this kid missed? If the former, I'd argue you are stronger. If the latter, I'd argue you are cutting off your nose to spite your face. [br. The #2, right now, is better. He is improving. The #1 regressed. Our bias was towards the #1 guy. He has all the tools. The other guy is a 5'6" slow guy who shows up and does work. We have to call plays different because he can't make all of the deep throws consistently. We also have to roll out more, so that he can see. But #2 is better.
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Post by dubber on Jul 31, 2015 10:21:39 GMT -6
Did the number 2 pass him because he is better, or because this kid missed? If the former, I'd argue you are stronger. If the latter, I'd argue you are cutting off your nose to spite your face. [br. The #2, right now, is better. He is improving. The #1 regressed. Our bias was towards the #1 guy. He has all the tools. The other guy is a 5'6" slow guy who shows up and does work. We have to call plays different because he can't make all of the deep throws consistently. We also have to roll out more, so that he can see. But #2 is better.
I have always thought the #1 trait a QB MUST have is leadership.
Everything else is negotiable.....arm strength, foot speed, height, size....all of that can be adapted to, but without leadership, I do not care, it won't work.
Sounds like the little guy is the leader.
That also doesn't mean the #1 guy is done. Is he athletic? Do you have other positions to get him on the field? Wildcat?
You may have physically regressed at the quarterback position, but overall I think you've upgraded.
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Post by hback41 on Jul 31, 2015 10:39:48 GMT -6
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I have always thought the #1 trait a QB MUST have is leadership.
Everything else is negotiable.....arm strength, foot speed, height, size....all of that can be adapted to, but without leadership, I do not care, it won't work.
Sounds like the little guy is the leader.
That also doesn't mean the #1 guy is done. Is he athletic? Do you have other positions to get him on the field? Wildcat?
You may have physically regressed at the quarterback position, but overall I think you've upgraded.
[/quote] We moved our #3 qb to WR. So, the old #1 will stay at qb. We are going to share reps for the 1st week of practice, then roll with whoever is leading at that point. Sent from my SM-G900V using proboards
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 31, 2015 20:41:47 GMT -6
I have always thought the #1 trait a QB MUST have is leadership.
Everything else is negotiable.....arm strength, foot speed, height, size....all of that can be adapted to, but without leadership, I do not care, it won't work.
Why? Other than just football history and convention, is there any reason that the QB position need be a leadership position at the HS level. At the NFL level, or if your offense at a lower level operates with enough sophistication that the the qualities necessary to be successful generally would equate to being a leader. But for other systems used at the HS level couldn't that leadership flow from another position and the QB just be responsible for correctly executing his responsibility.
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Post by buck42 on Jul 31, 2015 21:55:31 GMT -6
I agree with others that it is not the core that tends to miss. It's a guy that you hope can help you that usually ends up holding a bag.
I TRY not to get worked up about it. If school stated about the same time we started practice it would be a lot better. Instead we start 24 days later. So we get freshman stragglers every year. Again, usually they are not guys you need that year but it's great to get them in the program.
We can NOT penalize a kid for missing until the first OFFICIAL day of practice (tomorrow) so summer has become more of a conditioning deal.
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Post by holmesbend on Aug 1, 2015 8:39:09 GMT -6
Am I the only one who doesn't see this as a big issue? We have thousands of hours with these guys basically year round. If they decide to miss some practice time during the summer, I am sure as hell not gonna lose my chit over it. The kid is behind, and that figures into the competition, but it's not a level 9 line in the sand. What I have found is your core will be there. I have never worried about our starting quarterback doing this. I share the exact same thoughts. Here in Kentucky, we completed three FULL weeks of practice already before today, August 1st. It's a joke. Nothing about July and football has ever felt right to me. And, I've literally LIVED the sport for all of my 33 years on this earth (grew up in a coaches family: Grandfather was a HC for 33 years and Dad coached for 28...half or so being a HC...I played all through HS and all through college, and now into my 11th year of teaching/coaching myself). But, since the vast majority of our state STARTS school the first week of August (some actually got their 1st days in on Thursday, July 30th) it's trickled down to football with us literally having to use 3/4 of July as practice. The coach in you wants to ask a WTF when Johnny tells you they are going on vacation July 20-July 27th, but the realist in you is thinking "They SHOULD be going on Vacation" & "Colleges and NFL aren't practicing yet, so they must be onto something." Until the start of school (which is toooooo day-um early itself), I know several who have adopted the July attitude of--- "Go on vacation, but when you get back...you WILL make up all of the conditioning & if you're good enough to to fall behind, kudos to you.....if you aren't that blessed & can't afford to miss any at all, sorry about your luck b/c the show must go on."
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Post by blb on Aug 1, 2015 8:45:35 GMT -6
holmes, I'm curious - what is the rationale for Kentucky starting school so (what I as a Yankee consider) early?
By contrast we start school day after Labor Day.
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Post by shocktroop34 on Aug 1, 2015 8:53:45 GMT -6
holmes, I'm curious - what is the rationale for Kentucky starting school so (what I as a Yankee consider) early? By contrast we start school day after Labor Day. And if they start the first week of August, when does their school year end?
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Post by bigmoot on Aug 1, 2015 9:06:19 GMT -6
Many schools in GA start around 1st of Aug and get out around the end of May. We have many week long breaks. Fall break in Oct, thanksgiving, christmas, winter in feb, spring in april. Really breaks up the year.
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Post by holmesbend on Aug 1, 2015 9:10:39 GMT -6
holmes, I'm curious - what is the rationale for Kentucky starting school so (what I as a Yankee consider) early? By contrast we start school day after Labor Day. Coach, I wish I knew. I throw around the information you all have put on here about how things go on in Michigan all the time with your practice start dates & the start of school. My personal belief? Kentucky had SUCH a bad reputation in the education world for so long, that for the last 20+ years or so, it seems like we have since wanted to be known as the Innovative Leaders of the World when it comes things. All about perception. With that said, it's seemed to pay off...I have no idea how all of these different outlets dictate the national rankings in all things education across the country, but we're a lot more towards to the top than the bottom (I've seen some recently that have us in the Top 10 and Top 5). We were quick to jump on that whole "Year round" when that was the fad in some states. I also think that our weather and resources to combat that during the winter months has a whole lot to deal with it. It seems like we're the only state in the country where we can have 90+ degree temps in the summer for 30 straight days, but then follow that up with random winters like this past year where we had TWO seperate snow storms that dropped 20+ inches +/- a couple that literally SHUT DOWN the state. And next winter? We may not get a trace of snow (which shuts down many of our areas). So, spending thousands/millions of tax payer dollars on snow plows and an abundance of salt doesn't really add up. In defense of the early start, had we not started early this year, schools wouldn't have gotten out until the End of June, if not later. There were schools in the "mountains" of Eastern Kentucky this year that missed over 30 days of school in the winter because of these snow storms. Now, Jefferson County (Louisville)? Much better suited for these types of winters....until Snowmageddon 1 and 2 hit this year. They have somewhat been the odd-balls in that they didn't start up until the last week of August (or close) most years. After last winter? They are starting next week as well along with most of the state (the latest I've heard of anybody starting in KY this year is August 12th or 13th). So, those are my two reasons (and, ones I've heard from not just my parents who were in education here, but others as well) whether the powers to be in Frankfort admit it or not.
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Post by holmesbend on Aug 1, 2015 9:25:08 GMT -6
holmes, I'm curious - what is the rationale for Kentucky starting school so (what I as a Yankee consider) early? By contrast we start school day after Labor Day. And if they start the first week of August, when does their school year end? Shock....BigMoot said it with his explanation of GA. That's how things go here. Most are scheduled to get out mid May to the Friday before Memorial Day. Some districts have 2 week "Fall Breaks" that take place the 1st two weeks of October, but EVERYBODY takes at least one WEEK of Fall Break during that same time. Talk about a PITA for football programs. Not only are vacations in July an issue (which they shouldn't be), it comes up again in October. Like July, you usually don't have issues from the ones actually playing...but, JV and Freshmen kids? Some are just getting to where they don't schedule Freshman and JV games those weeks. I know a couple coaches who end their Freshmen and JV schedules the week before Fall Break for that matter. Two week Christmas Break and a week or 2 week long spring break. Those schools who have 2 week fall breaks? They have the same with spring break. Now last year, with the winter being so bad, many used some or all of their spring break to make up the snow days. We'll never go back. The momma's in all of our districts teaching at the elementary schools will make sure of that when schedules go up for vote every year. This fall break stuff is gold to them. Kentucky has 225 football playing schools in our state, and exactly 54 of them had turnover this offseason (and, we have averaged right at 40 changes the last 5 years) 2/3 of them I bet were due to coaches hanging it up. I think only TWO came open to coaches playing leap frog. Some were do to being axed ( I was one of them) & we unfortunately lost one of our brothers in the profession to cancer. I have no doubt whatsoever that a lot of the turnover (and, you don't see many of these coaches getting back in it when other jobs come open) has to do with the early start of things (football and school), coupled with the fact that the coaching supplements haven't increased in most places in the last 20-30 years, and in many places...stipends and other financial help have been cut, all while the time you have to invest and expectations have clearly risen.
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Post by holmesbend on Aug 1, 2015 9:54:15 GMT -6
holmes, I'm curious - what is the rationale for Kentucky starting school so (what I as a Yankee consider) early? By contrast we start school day after Labor Day. It's obvious that the start of practice correlates with the start of school, as it does most places. We play our state finals the 1st weekend of December and have for some 25-30 years. Problem is, that's also back when school started like you all do after Labor Day or the last week of August at the latest & practice started August 1 (or whatever that 1st Monday in August was) & not July freaking 10th-13th with helmets (somewhere right in there, since our state mandated "Dead Period" last day is July 9th every year). On our message boards here in KY, you get a lot of people in favor of ending the season sooner (Thanksgiving Weekend at the latest like you all), where there is others of us who would much rather push back the start of the season, both practice and opening weekend, in attempts to make it the fall sport it's intended to be. He11, by our Fall Breaks that 1st full week of October, many schools have already played SEVEN games & it only being TWO weeks into Fall. Ok, I've gotten this thread all side tracked. My apologies.
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Post by jaydub66 on Aug 1, 2015 10:51:03 GMT -6
We have a high puerto rican population in our city so a lot of kids may go for a week or two to see family in puerto rico during the summer. Most do it in june or july but occasionally a kid or two do it in august. When then they get back, they miss a lot, but you work them back into things by finding ways to review stuff or have them only play positions that require almost no advanced knowledge/verbage. (I.E. Nose Guard)
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Post by newhope on Aug 2, 2015 9:53:51 GMT -6
My experience has been that it is the problem the first year I'm at a school. I make it clear that perhaps they made plans prior to my getting there and didn't understand, but that they don't miss practice once official practice starts to go on vacation. After that first year, we have to deal with freshmen and vacations--same thing, they may not know. We don't deal with it above that level. Like most things, we tell parents what the expectation is, what the consequences will be, and then we don't have the problem. What is consequence? Sit games, depending on how long they are out..... a week's vacation? at least 2 games.
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Post by dubber on Aug 2, 2015 19:43:50 GMT -6
I have always thought the #1 trait a QB MUST have is leadership.
Everything else is negotiable.....arm strength, foot speed, height, size....all of that can be adapted to, but without leadership, I do not care, it won't work.
Why? Other than just football history and convention, is there any reason that the QB position need be a leadership position at the HS level. At the NFL level, or if your offense at a lower level operates with enough sophistication that the the qualities necessary to be successful generally would equate to being a leader. But for other systems used at the HS level couldn't that leadership flow from another position and the QB just be responsible for correctly executing his responsibility.
So I feel like we will end up arguing about semantics.
And I am anti-semantics, which doesn't mean I deny the Holocaust.
Hopefully folks get that joke......and now to my point:
The idea of "correctly executing his responsibility" is something we want everyone to do. It is the assignment and technique and responsibilities that each player has on each play.
My definition of leadership would be something along the lines of "correctly executing his responsibility when the chit hits the fan".
True leadership is the ability to refocus, to fight back, and to not let the last play linger and ruin the next one, in my opinion.
I think about Ohio State versus Oregon in the CFP this past season. Several times Oregon would have an explosive play, just rip off 20-30 yards and then be right back on the ball ready to push the tempo and go.
Ohio State did such a good job of treating each play as a competition to be won, not worried about the previous outcome, or the pending touchdown assault. They were so successful that night stopping drives after big plays.
4 Ohio State turnovers + 465 yards of total offense from Oregon should equal a Duck victory.
Nothing was really said (there was no time), but you could see the leadership that defense must've had, because they refused to let one bad play end up rick rolling them into giving up a touchdown (which is what you see a lot with Oregon, Baylor, etc.).
So, that is how a define leadership......not the Ray Lewis pregame soliloquy, or the Drew Brees cheerleader chant.........no, it is not necessarily vocal, but it is the ability to keep "doing your job" in the face of adversity.
Not every player has this (I would argue most do not). Your leaders are the ones who do, and can refocus their teammates to do that same. Heck, I think knowing those players is job number 1 for a coach. Job number 2 is making sure they know they have to be the rally point when things go bad.
Now....
The quarterback (the modern position, not the single wing version) is a distributor of the football. Whatever the offense, his job is to get the football where it needs to be, when it needs to be there, and into whomever's hands it needs to be.......
The other ten players can perfectly execute their assignments, but without proper distribution, you probably do not have a play.
When things go bad, your quarterback must be able to still focus and distribute the football.
By virtue of having this trait, which I deem ESSENTIAL, he ends up leading others to do that same.
Could your RG provide that leadership? of course Could your WR provide that leadership? sure
But I think you MUST have your quarterback be a self-starter in this trait. It will be too late if he has to see others leading in this respect and then tries to follow them.
He is the only player, by virtue of his role as distributor, who can set the tone for the other 11.....
That is why I have come to believe he must be a leader.
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Post by silkyice on Aug 2, 2015 20:11:56 GMT -6
Why? Other than just football history and convention, is there any reason that the QB position need be a leadership position at the HS level. At the NFL level, or if your offense at a lower level operates with enough sophistication that the the qualities necessary to be successful generally would equate to being a leader. But for other systems used at the HS level couldn't that leadership flow from another position and the QB just be responsible for correctly executing his responsibility.
So I feel like we will end up arguing about semantics.
And I am anti-semantics, which doesn't mean I deny the Holocaust.
Hopefully folks get that joke......and now to my point:
The idea of "correctly executing his responsibility" is something we want everyone to do. It is the assignment and technique and responsibilities that each player has on each play.
My definition of leadership would be something along the lines of "correctly executing his responsibility when the chit hits the fan".
True leadership is the ability to refocus, to fight back, and to not let the last play linger and ruin the next one, in my opinion.
I think about Ohio State versus Oregon in the CFP this past season. Several times Oregon would have an explosive play, just rip off 20-30 yards and then be right back on the ball ready to push the tempo and go.
Ohio State did such a good job of treating each play as a competition to be won, not worried about the previous outcome, or the pending touchdown assault. They were so successful that night stopping drives after big plays.
4 Ohio State turnovers + 465 yards of total offense from Oregon should equal a Duck victory.
Nothing was really said (there was no time), but you could see the leadership that defense must've had, because they refused to let one bad play end up rick rolling them into giving up a touchdown (which is what you see a lot with Oregon, Baylor, etc.).
So, that is how a define leadership......not the Ray Lewis pregame soliloquy, or the Drew Brees cheerleader chant.........no, it is not necessarily vocal, but it is the ability to keep "doing your job" in the face of adversity.
Not every player has this (I would argue most do not). Your leaders are the ones who do, and can refocus their teammates to do that same. Heck, I think knowing those players is job number 1 for a coach. Job number 2 is making sure they know they have to be the rally point when things go bad.
Now....
The quarterback (the modern position, not the single wing version) is a distributor of the football. Whatever the offense, his job is to get the football where it needs to be, when it needs to be there, and into whomever's hands it needs to be.......
The other ten players can perfectly execute their assignments, but without proper distribution, you probably do not have a play.
When things go bad, your quarterback must be able to still focus and distribute the football.
By virtue of having this trait, which I deem ESSENTIAL, he ends up leading others to do that same.
Could your RG provide that leadership? of course Could your WR provide that leadership? sure
But I think you MUST have your quarterback be a self-starter in this trait. It will be too late if he has to see others leading in this respect and then tries to follow them.
He is the only player, by virtue of his role as distributor, who can set the tone for the other 11.....
That is why I have come to believe he must be a leader.
That is a great post. But you defined what a leader is. By your definition, of course the QB has to be a leader. I just don't think everyone defines a leader by your definition. A leader is simply someone who leads others. What you described is a performer. Someone who performs his job when he has to perform it. I think we all agree that a QB has to be a good performer. The year we won state, our QB was our worst leader. Everybody disliked him. He was just a selfish rich pretty boy prima donna. He was just who he was and we all accepted that and actualy all loved him. Got his butt chewed by me more than anyone. He got better at doing the right things each year becasue I didn't put up with his crap. Not a leader in words or work ethic. Not someone any wanted to follow or anyone the coaches wanted the team to follow. But dang he could do his job and distribute that ball when it mattered.
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Post by coachwoodall on Aug 2, 2015 20:35:01 GMT -6
holmes, I'm curious - what is the rationale for Kentucky starting school so (what I as a Yankee consider) early? By contrast we start school day after Labor Day. I worked at a school here in SC a while back that would have tomorrow (August 3) as the first day for kids. We'd get done the second week in May. The rationale was to get a leg up on state testing. Instead of starting the last week in August and working up the standardized test in the last week in April, get almost a month ahead of everybody else and finish school right after the test. Plus it made the half year mark right before the Christmas break instead of the week or so after it.
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Post by nltdiego on Aug 9, 2015 22:57:53 GMT -6
Never underestimate the stupidity of parents. I think this is a different issue that a kid just missing or skipping. You need to explain to the kid and parent look he's missing the most important part of the season really this is your choice and he's going to be way behind when you get back. I just think it's hard to punish a kid if his parents are making him doing something like that. Now kids just skipping for dumb stuff or showing up when ever they want is a different story. What is kid makes a choice to miss. What would you do?
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Post by wingtol on Aug 10, 2015 7:01:06 GMT -6
Never underestimate the stupidity of parents. I think this is a different issue that a kid just missing or skipping. You need to explain to the kid and parent look he's missing the most important part of the season really this is your choice and he's going to be way behind when you get back. I just think it's hard to punish a kid if his parents are making him doing something like that. Now kids just skipping for dumb stuff or showing up when ever they want is a different story. What is kid makes a choice to miss. What would you do? Like if a kid skips practice or just doesn't show?
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Post by 33coach on Aug 10, 2015 12:39:58 GMT -6
I've got a kid missing the first 3 weeks, he is in France. Im beyond pissed lol..
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Post by dytmook on Aug 10, 2015 16:40:49 GMT -6
We started practice August 1st and school starts Thursday. I don't think we have any kids on vacation or really important kids miss since we official practice. We try to make our summer open for the families. We try to not do anything in June other than normal lifting. In July we get our 10 camp days in and usually leave the last week of the month for a dead period to get away before the grind. Still have kids on random vacations and parents wondering why Johnny isn't starting ahead of Jimmy.
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Post by coachwoodall on Aug 10, 2015 19:14:36 GMT -6
Vacation I get (family thing), but what really chaps my arse is the 'I've got to miss practice to go back to school shopping' or ' I've got to miss practice to go get a shape up for team pictures'. Does JC Penny only run sales during the 2.25 hours we have practice?
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