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Post by airraider on Jul 24, 2015 20:38:43 GMT -6
Have heard chatter of people wanting to mandate a month of hands off during the summer.
I came through high school in the mid-late 90's and we had the weight room open during the summer, but everything was optional. We came in at the first of August for heat acclimation drills... but that was it.
I have heard coaches say before that they wished they could take time off during the summer, but they knew their opponents would be working while they were not.
What are your thoughts on states mandating a dead month in either June or July? Or how about both months?
Personally... I feel like kids these days never get a break... for some that is good (keeps them out of trouble)
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Post by fantom on Jul 24, 2015 20:54:33 GMT -6
A full month is too long to be out of the weight room.
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Post by lochness on Jul 24, 2015 21:08:54 GMT -6
We've taken 2 weeks off this summer. One toward the beginning, one now at the end (next week).
No 7v7, no weights, no skills sessions. Enjoy the summer, be kids, rejuvenate and come back ready to kick ass.
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Post by airraider on Jul 24, 2015 21:11:16 GMT -6
A full month is too long to be out of the weight room. I agree, but what about some colleges? They give their players some of their summer off. Do we just assume those kids are more mature and will lift on their own? What about if they mandated no on field activities for a month? Weight room only?
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Post by airraider on Jul 24, 2015 21:11:58 GMT -6
We've taken 2 weeks off this summer. One toward the beginning, one now at the end (next week). No 7v7, no weights, no skills sessions. Enjoy the summer, be kids, rejuvenate and come back ready to kick ass. We gave them the week leading up to July 4th off, and will take next week off before we kick off on August 3rd.
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Post by fantom on Jul 24, 2015 21:15:18 GMT -6
A full month is too long to be out of the weight room. I agree, but what about some colleges? They give their players some of their summer off. Do we just assume those kids are more mature and will lift on their own? What about if they mandated no on field activities for a month? Weight room only? No running?
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Post by lochness on Jul 24, 2015 21:16:26 GMT -6
We've taken 2 weeks off this summer. One toward the beginning, one now at the end (next week). No 7v7, no weights, no skills sessions. Enjoy the summer, be kids, rejuvenate and come back ready to kick ass. We gave them the week leading up to July 4th off, and will take next week off before we kick off on August 3rd. That is precisely what we did. I think it works wonders. Besides football, a ton of our guys are going to lacrosse tournaments and playing baseball all summer. It's just too much.
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Post by airraider on Jul 24, 2015 21:19:48 GMT -6
I agree, but what about some colleges? They give their players some of their summer off. Do we just assume those kids are more mature and will lift on their own? What about if they mandated no on field activities for a month? Weight room only? No running? If they mandate weight room only, then I guess not.
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Post by fantom on Jul 24, 2015 21:20:42 GMT -6
IMO the best thing that you can do is take the pads off.
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Post by 19coach78 on Jul 25, 2015 6:40:19 GMT -6
A full month is too long to be out of the weight room. I agree, but what about some colleges? They give their players some of their summer off. Do we just assume those kids are more mature and will lift on their own? What about if they mandated no on field activities for a month? Weight room only? Coach, I am not sure what level of College that you speak but the Young men we have playing College Football at the D1 level get a week to 2 weeks after spring ball, then a week before the start of the season. No we have some alum who play at the D2 non scholly and D 3 level, non of them stay at the Campus during the summer but it is expected that they do the workouts. One school makes them email a weekly workout sheet to show what they have done. We give them the week of finals off, the week they go to the Local College 3 day camp off, and the week before we start which will be Aug 17 - 21. Off course if you come to our Strength, Speed and Conditioning sessions it may LOOK like we have given the the SUMMER off !! ugh, but thats a thread for another time ! lol
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Post by utchuckd on Jul 25, 2015 6:54:48 GMT -6
Our state has a mandated 2 week dead period for all sports, the week before and the week of the 4th. No contact with players, can't use school facilities. 2 of my favorite weeks of the year.
(of course AAU b-ball and travel baseball don't fall under this because they're not school teams as long as it's not the school coach running the team)
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Post by blb on Jul 25, 2015 7:02:51 GMT -6
When I was HC we worked out three days a week for total of 18-21 depending on calendar.
We had a three-day camp at end of July.
We would do a few 7-on-7s.
Our state mandates a "Dead Week" which we took, like most, around July 4.
School typically ended first week of June, practice started first or second Monday in August.
So our kids had a month off in Summer, it just wasn't consecutive days.
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Post by blb on Jul 25, 2015 7:36:14 GMT -6
Recently a teller at our bank recognized me.
She said, "My freshman son is going to play football at (school I coached at 2004-09)."
She smiled ruefully, shook her head slightly and added, "They've had something for football EVERY DAY this Summer!
"Isn't it supposed to be fun?"
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Post by freezeoption on Jul 25, 2015 7:38:39 GMT -6
this is our state mandated dead week, starts today and goes till aug 2, season starts the 3, not supposed to do anything, unless you took a dead week earlier then you can lift but that is it, we got out may 13, I said see you june 2, then they get this week off, we go three days a week, I have a week long camp in june and july, that is it, I don't think that is a killer
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Post by gators1422 on Jul 25, 2015 11:27:12 GMT -6
Recently a teller at our bank recognized me. She said, "My freshman son is going to play football at (school I coached at 2004-09)." She smiled ruefully, shook her head slightly and added, "They've had something for football EVERY DAY this Summer! "Isn't it supposed to be fun?" Winning is fun!!
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Post by fantom on Jul 25, 2015 11:33:33 GMT -6
Recently a teller at our bank recognized me. She said, "My freshman son is going to play football at (school I coached at 2004-09)." She smiled ruefully, shook her head slightly and added, "They've had something for football EVERY DAY this Summer! "Isn't it supposed to be fun?" Winning is fun!! You don't need to have some of the crazy schedules that I've seen here to win. Something for football every day of the summer qualifies as crazy to me.
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Post by unc31 on Jul 25, 2015 11:48:26 GMT -6
In NC we have two mandated dead weeks in the summer. On a normal basis we train 3 days per week including skill development/practice, weights and speed/agility. We do 7 on 7's normally on Wed. nights and we always give them Friday off so that they have a long weekend all summer. Our workouts are from 8-11 am so they are done each day before noon.
Most of our kids seem to enjoy it and don't really want big chunks of time off. I am sure we have some who would do nothing all summer if we let them.
To me it is an issue of safety for the players. Being out of shape, not acclimated to hot weather, being physically weak from not lifting, etc. are all recipes for injury and heat exhaustion.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 25, 2015 11:55:41 GMT -6
You don't need to have some of the crazy schedules that I've seen here to win. Something for football every day of the summer qualifies as crazy to me. I think that creating an environment where football is so important to the coaches/school/players that you COULD have some of those 24/7/365ish schedules leads to the success, not actually implementing such a schedule and performing those activities. However, I have learned from reading many posts here that situations are different all across the country. What is "winning" In some places, going 8-3/8-4 or 9-2/9-3 and winning a playoff game or two is a great accomplishment. In others, that is a dismal failure. @dcohio is in one of those places right now, and I have to say I honestly don't know how I would operate at a place like that given the current "Arms race" of football activities environment. If you have to get through say a John Curtis Christian, and they are lifting 5 days a week, and doing some throwing/pass defense twice a week...are you going to be able to compete by doing less? Are you going to be able to even SAY you will compete by doing less..when the kids know (talking an urban/suburban area situation here). In my suburban area when I was playing, I knew my team had lower expectations and "did less" than most of the other teams. Best season we had was 2-8.
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Post by **** on Jul 25, 2015 12:09:04 GMT -6
AAU b-ball and travel baseball don't fall under this because they're not school teams as long as it's not the school coach running the team This is the problem
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Post by fantom on Jul 25, 2015 12:53:39 GMT -6
You don't need to have some of the crazy schedules that I've seen here to win. Something for football every day of the summer qualifies as crazy to me. I think that creating an environment where football is so important to the coaches/school/players that you COULD have some of those 24/7/365ish schedules leads to the success, not actually implementing such a schedule and performing those activities. However, I have learned from reading many posts here that situations are different all across the country. What is "winning" In some places, going 8-3/8-4 or 9-2/9-3 and winning a playoff game or two is a great accomplishment. In others, that is a dismal failure. @dcohio is in one of those places right now, and I have to say I honestly don't know how I would operate at a place like that given the current "Arms race" of football activities environment. If you have to get through say a John Curtis Christian, and they are lifting 5 days a week, and doing some throwing/pass defense twice a week...are you going to be able to compete by doing less? Are you going to be able to even SAY you will compete by doing less..when the kids know (talking an urban/suburban area situation here). In my suburban area when I was playing, I knew my team had lower expectations and "did less" than most of the other teams. Best season we had was 2-8. Let me rephrase that then. You can win big without a crazy summer schedule.
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Post by coachwoodall on Jul 25, 2015 13:10:45 GMT -6
Team out of Kentucky basically had the whole month of June off. Practiced a couple of times, did a couple of 7-7s, then just won a big national select 7-7. They'll be a sack of hades come this fall.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 13:30:16 GMT -6
I really wish they would implement no sport specific activity until the Monday after July 4th. But then, everything can be made mandatory leading up in to the season. Everywhere I have been, you can go all summer long in full pads, then you have to take 9 days off before you can start official fall practice. What sense does it make to build all of that conditioning and heat acclimatization just to lose it all on those 9 days off?
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Post by mc140 on Jul 25, 2015 22:07:39 GMT -6
Personally... I feel like kids these days never get a break... for some that is good (keeps them out of trouble) Last year you were telling us that as a staff you guys decided if a kid didn't attend football workouts during baseball season they weren't going to be allowed to play at your school. What changed?
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Post by gators1422 on Jul 25, 2015 22:39:39 GMT -6
You don't need to have some of the crazy schedules that I've seen here to win. Something for football every day of the summer qualifies as crazy to me. I think that creating an environment where football is so important to the coaches/school/players that you COULD have some of those 24/7/365ish schedules leads to the success, not actually implementing such a schedule and performing those activities. However, I have learned from reading many posts here that situations are different all across the country. What is "winning" In some places, going 8-3/8-4 or 9-2/9-3 and winning a playoff game or two is a great accomplishment. In others, that is a dismal failure. @dcohio is in one of those places right now, and I have to say I honestly don't know how I would operate at a place like that given the current "Arms race" of football activities environment. If you have to get through say a John Curtis Christian, and they are lifting 5 days a week, and doing some throwing/pass defense twice a week...are you going to be able to compete by doing less? Are you going to be able to even SAY you will compete by doing less..when the kids know (talking an urban/suburban area situation here). In my suburban area when I was playing, I knew my team had lower expectations and "did less" than most of the other teams. Best season we had was 2-8. [/quoteother We workout all year, the off time is from Thanksgiving until New Year. We go from January until June 3 days a week then 3 days a week in the summer. I'm sure there are other ways to do it but it works for us. We are also a school and staff not happy with just winning a little. We were 10-2 last year and lost to the state runner up and everyone including the players will tell you we were a disappointment. It's all about perspective and it differs for everybody.
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Post by fantom on Jul 25, 2015 23:45:59 GMT -6
That's not what I consider crazy.
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Post by godandgus on Jul 26, 2015 1:04:51 GMT -6
Team out of Kentucky basically had the whole month of June off. Practiced a couple of times, did a couple of 7-7s, then just won a big national select 7-7. They'll be a sack of hades come this fall.
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Post by godandgus on Jul 26, 2015 1:06:03 GMT -6
sack of hades, love it. i will borrow that and make it my own!!
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Post by John Knight on Jul 26, 2015 6:09:31 GMT -6
I mean they won a national 7 on 7!!!!!
WOO HOO!!
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Post by blb on Jul 26, 2015 6:50:06 GMT -6
"sack of hades" - is that a good thing, or a bad thing?
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Post by indian1 on Jul 26, 2015 7:51:54 GMT -6
We are coming off the best season in our school's history, made it to round 2 of playoffs in a league that had 3 state champs in 3 different divisions. Here's what our summer looks like: Weights, running and some skill stuff 2 days a week. We have a mandated (by our school) 1 week off falling on or around the 4th of July. We don't use any of our summer days until the last 2 weeks of July (usually one 7 on 7) so we just roll right into practice after that. (we start August 1). The kids see to like it. They lift and run a couple days a week all summer, plenty of time for basketball and baseball. When we do start camp they are really excited for football.
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